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Which one would you choose?

I'm about to get my first doberman, sadly the breeder is not in my city, so i'm kind of force to choose a pup based on photos and videos, there are only two males left in the litter (the ones in the pics below) i have to decide soon which one I want since in my country there only 2 maybe 3 good doberman breeders, they are in high demand.

So please help me decide which one to get, I know they're still very young (born on november the 15th) but any opinion will help.

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It's really not a good pic or pose in the 2nd picture because it's a bit darker and the dog isn't posed as nice.

Since we can only go by pix the first one (red collar) seems to have a nice top line and a stronger rear. IMO
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Is there a little hernia showing in the first pic?
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Is there a little hernia showing in the first pic?
good catch. i would ask what will be done to address the umbilical hernia on this puppy.

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I would also recommend talking to the breeder about their opinion of the puppies -- conformation, personality, etc. Depending on what you are planning to do with the dog (showing in conformation, competing in dog sports or a family pet), they should be able to help match the best puppy to you. After all, they are the ones who have watched these pups grow from tiny babies and know their personalities, how they move, how the bite (dental occlusion) is, and other things that cannot be seen from a single side view picture.

Good luck with your choice

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Assuming both are a good fit and the breeder has asked for help/let you decide for that reason, what are your goals?

As mentioned above the red puppy has a hernia and i'd want to know what will be done to take care of it.

Overall it depends on what you are looking for, we don't know more than just what we see on the puppies so helping pick the best fit attitude/temperament/disposition wise would be difficult, as would conformation as those are just one photo in time and we know nothing of the parents or what they have looked like at other stages.

Has your breeder offered any thought on which would be a bit better?

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Assuming both are a good fit and the breeder has asked for help/let you decide for that reason, what are your goals?

As mentioned above the red puppy has a hernia and i'd want to know what will be done to take care of it.

Overall it depends on what you are looking for, we don't know more than just what we see on the puppies so helping pick the best fit attitude/temperament/disposition wise would be difficult, as would conformation as those are just one photo in time and we know nothing of the parents or what they have looked like at other stages.

Has your breeder offered any thought on which would be a bit better?
I'll ask him today about that hernia, thank you for pointing that out.

As for what I'm looking for, he will be a family pet.
According to the breeder both have very similar "personalities", he knows I want him as a pet and not for shows, and he says that from the litter this two are the ones that fit the most to what I'm looking for.

The pics below are from the parents. CH. ARG. CH. CO. ZACARIAS DE BLACK SHADOW and Hawaii de los Infernales

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If the breeder says they are an equal fit, I would go with the one without the hernia. It's not a major condition but if i'm being given the chance to avoid it and any issues that may come up now or later from it, I would.

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Can you get head shots of the two pups? Also, a video of them playing together? That might help you make up your mind. They are very similar in body conformation.

Not sure how the breeder could guarantee hernia repair except for discount on your puppy price equivalent to a surgery estimate from a veterinarian.

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Hernia repairs are done at the time of ear cropping. Sometimes mom gets a bit overzealous with the umbilical cord before you can intervene. It shouldn't be an extra charge.



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I would ask for better pictures with a light background so they will be better visable at eight weeks of age....so, next pictures taken this coming Sunday, if possible.

I kind of like the red collar boy. The hernia should be repaired when the ears are cropped as previously stated. My boy and some of his littermates had hernias. My understanding is that umbilical hernias are inherited. They were all repaired when cropped.

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Since you aren't showing, I would be asking more about their personalities then trying to decide between stacked photos.

For what it's worth I don't think they're that similar at all.

As someone else stated, hernias are repaired at cropping. It's minor. Small incision. Not a big deal at all. Certainly not worth passing a puppy up over. It should be repaired at no cost to you. The breeder incurs that cost, if any, as a breeding expense.

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I know the Vets around here charge at least another $75 to fix a hernia when you get them spayed which to me should be included in the cost of the spay.
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Since you aren't showing, I would be asking more about their personalities then trying to decide between stacked photos.

For what it's worth I don't think they're that similar at all.

As someone else stated, hernias are repaired at cropping. It's minor. Small incision. Not a big deal at all. Certainly not worth passing a puppy up over. It should be repaired at no cost to you. The breeder incurs that cost, if any, as a breeding expense.
Agree with this 100%. If you aren't showing, personality is the number 1 thing (actually, for me, even if I WAS showing, personally between show pics would still be number 1!). I would choose the pup who had the personality that best fit what I was looking for in a companion and best fit my household.


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Out of the adults the female is way better then the male. It looks like both his front legs turn out. Puppy one way better then puppy two. If the hernia is the only negative jump on it.
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Out of the adults the female is way better then the male. It looks like both his front legs turn out. Puppy one way better then puppy two. If the hernia is the only negative jump on it.
I wondered why they bred to that male, also, but it is only one photo. Why they would distribute that particular photo is a puzzle to me.

OP, said the personalities were very similar, so now I'm after looks.

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I wondered why they bred to that male, also, but it is only one photo. Why they would distribute that particular photo is a puzzle to me.

OP, said the personalities were very similar, so now I'm after looks.
I think both photos of the sire show the splay in the front. This is an educational thread for me. Thanks for all the comments everyone.

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I don't care for the sires front legs at all. Even fully stacked and they still look like that.
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I am curious why when showing a picture of the female they would use one of her when she was less then 9 months old
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I don't know, but the OP is from Ecuador, South America and stated there are only 2 or 3 decent breeders. I know nothing of the quality of dobermans in Ecuador, so am trying not to be too critical of the parents of this new member's future pup. No use to compare them to ours where competition is fierce.

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Hernia repairs are typically no biggie, and would sure not be a deal breaker for me.

Puppy one has a nicer shoulder and neck.

Neck is quite short and front quite straight and far forward on pup 2.

If all else is equal, as far as fitting in as a family companion, I'd go with pup 1.




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Thanks to all for the coments, the breeder will send me a video and more pictures.

As for personalities he told me that he will be taking a close look how the develop in the next couple of weeks, and tell me which one he thinks woulld be a better fit for me, since I'm not showing and want him a house pet.

As someone pointed out there are not many options here in my country when looking for nice dobermans, both of the parents actually come from Argentina where you have better and bigger breeders with a lot more options to choose from.
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Stud dog showed here in the US for awhile. We showed against him last January. Ann White of Cambria handled him. I don't think his front feet splay so much in that his ELBOW is the problem. He sort of pinched them in.

In person, he was a rather impressive dog of typical south American style. Meaning he was eye catching. What was worse than the elbows was the movement. So I can see in a lot of ways why they chose the bitch they did.

Should be nice puppies either way. Assuming one has the temperament your lifestyle requires.

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