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Am I understanding correctly that you let a puppy walk that much? I personally wouldn't do that. Their joints aren't done maturing and their growth plates aren't closed, and there is a chance of doing long term damage with that much exercise before they are fully matured. Typically growth plates aren't closed in a dog that young.
Yeah, in my 52 years of owning dogs, I have heard a lot of fat dog owners say that. Love the projection.

How much do you weigh?

Can you walk 5 miles?

Regardless.thank you for your advice
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Yeah, in my 52 years of owning dogs, I have heard a lot of fat dog owners say that. Love the projection.

How much do you weigh?

Can you walk 5 miles?

Regardless.thank you for your advice

Wow, way to let your defensiveness turn you into a jerk.

Your dog from the pictures you provided is carrying more weight than he should be. Like it or lump it the truth is right there. Fat. Dog.

Great you can walk 5 miles... Can you ride a horse over a 3'+ jump? No? Then what's your point?
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i would like to stay with those choices because I don't really want to have to order my food online... id like to just go in store and buy it as needed. Ill look more into taste of the wild and nutro.
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Wow, way to let your defensiveness turn you into a jerk.



Your dog from the pictures you provided is carrying more weight than he should be. Like it or lump it the truth is right there. Fat. Dog.



Great you can walk 5 miles... Can you ride a horse over a 3'+ jump?

Over exercising, added weight. You are creating unneeded stress on joints. Damage that may likely not surface right away, but once the damage is done it cannot be undone!

Over-exercising an immature dog CAN put extra stress and damage a dog's joints... Especially in a breed prone to such issues.

Over-exercising a FAT immature dog is just asking for it lol.

Not sure what the size of a dog owner has to do with identifying a clearly chunky young dog... I would think caring about your pets weight and joint health would make one inclined to care for their own??

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@4x4bike ped: this is your youngster at 5 months old, right? He's actually looking a little chunky to me there. Also, please tell me that you are not exercising a 7 month old that much! I understand having an active dog, but there's a difference between having an active dog and overexercising your puppy. At 7 months old, you should not be taking him on such long walks at all! I haven't even been doing that with my year old boy.

I personally feed raw and have found it works very well for us. It doesn't for everyone, but for both Creed and myself we are very comfortable with this. Creed is an active boy with lots of energy and we spend every day working on something, even if for short periods of time.

OP- if you are concerned about a budget, the food I've found to be good quality on a budget is Merrick's Whole Earth Farms, which is a 4.5 star rated food that you can get at any Petco and also online on sites like Chewy to be delivered to your door.

Thank you for your advice. I will add it to my experience of owning and raising dogs since I was 8 years old (I am currently 62).

The photo you posted from my gallery was taken just before a huge growth spurt. That's why I thought it was so cute. And you thought he looked "a little chunky" LOL. I love armchair quarterbacks! If you saw him in person today, you would hardly think that he was over weight.

As I stated previously, his vet gave him a thorough check-up two days ago and proclaimed to be in great shape.

BTW, 75 lb.s @ 7 1/2 months given a very large boned male is hardly out of line.
Still, I appreciate the advice and look forward to reading your commets in the future!
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Thank you for your advice. I will add it to my experience of owning and raising dogs since I was 8 years old (I am currently 62).

The photo you posted from my gallery was taken just before a huge growth spurt. That's why I thought it was so cute. And you thought he looked "a little chunky" LOL. I love armchair quarterbacks! If you saw him in person today, you would hardly think that he was over weight.

As I stated previously, his vet gave him a thorough check-up two days ago and proclaimed to be in great shape.

BTW, 75 lb.s @ 7 1/2 months given a very large boned male is hardly out of line.
Still, I appreciate the advice and look forward to reading your commets in the future!

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Thank you Rosemary, I looked into that and do think I like it, or will atleast give it a try. My dad's dog is on 4health also and she seems to like it. I also am a fan of the price for what it has. price wasn't too big of an issue, but the cheaper would be better
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Thank you for your advice. I will add it to my experience of owning and raising dogs since I was 8 years old (I am currently 62).

The photo you posted from my gallery was taken just before a huge growth spurt. That's why I thought it was so cute. And you thought he looked "a little chunky" LOL. I love armchair quarterbacks! If you saw him in person today, you would hardly think that he was over weight.

As I stated previously, his vet gave him a thorough check-up two days ago and proclaimed to be in great shape.

BTW, 75 lb.s @ 7 1/2 months given a very large boned male is hardly out of line.
Still, I appreciate the advice and look forward to reading your commets in the future!
My grandfather is older than you and has had dogs since he was born. Doesn't change that the dog he has currently is obese. Neither does it change that your puppy at least was overweight in that photo. You say he is not now, why not a recent picture to prove such? I can certainly prove that my own puppy is not overweight, even though I do not overexercise him.

Many vets do not know a healthy dog from a fat one, and many more will not rock the boat and potentially offend an owner when their dog or cat is too fat. Considering your response to multiple people expressing concern over your dog's weight, I'm guessing your vet may be the latter.

My dog does not weigh that much at that height and he is older. Just saying.

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Wow, way to let your defensiveness turn you into a jerk.

Your dog from the pictures you provided is carrying more weight than he should be. Like it or lump it the truth is right there. Fat. Dog.

Great you can walk 5 miles... Can you ride a horse over a 3'+ jump? No? Then what's your point?
Over exercising, added weight. You are creating unneeded stress on joints. Damage that may likely not surface right away, but once the damage is done it cannot be undone!
LOL.... "Wow, way to let your defensiveness turn you into a jerk."

Uh..... Pot, Kettle , Black . Need I say more?

"Can you ride a horse over a 3'+ jump? "

Since I was 10 years old. (maybe 8)

YOU?

When did you own your first registered Doberman?

Mine was AKC Britten David DOB 9/8/74.

Owned them ever since. Never looked back. Want to compare notes?

Your dog's pedigree?

My "overweight" pup is the product of the union of Cambria's Highly Regarded (Raydon) and Foxfire's Tell Me About It (Jewlia).

I don't show or breed Dobies. They are my pets, my family. In fact he is the first dog that I have registered in over 20 years. Primarily, because there is no point, as their lineage ends with my ownership.

My responsibility towards my dogs is impeccable.

I have a hard time with canine "pedants".

Sorry, hope to communicate with you on a more sociable level the future

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LOL.... "Wow, way to let your defensiveness turn you into a jerk."

Uh..... Pot, Kettle , Black . Need I say more?

"Can you ride a horse over a 3'+ jump? "

Since I was 10 years old. (maybe 8)

YOU?

When did you own your first registered Doberman?

Mine was AKC Britten David DOB 9/8/74.

Owned them ever since. Never looked back. Want to compare notes?

Your dog's pedigree?

My "overweight" pup is the product of the union of Cambria's Highly Regarded (Raydon) and Foxfire's Tell Me About It (Jewlia).

I don't show or breed Dobies. They are my pets, my family. In fact he is the first dog that I have registered in over 20 years. Primarily, because there is no point, as their lineage ends with my ownership.

My responsibility towards my dogs is impeccable.

I have a hard time with canine "pedants".

Sorry, hope to communicate with you on a more sociable level the future

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Pedigree has nothing to do with weight... Put up or shut up as they say. I've seen lots of people own pets for years and years and each pet is over weight or plain obese. So forgive me if I don't care how long you've owned a dog or where it's ultimately from. Fat is fat regardless of age and damaging to joints and ligaments. If you were so knowledgeable you'd know that and take appropriate measures to ensure your dogs joints are not overly stressed, and the dog maintains a healthy weight.

But hey... You know everything....


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Pedigree has nothing to do with weight... Put up or shut up as they say. I've seen lots of people own pets for years and years and each pet is over weight or plain obese. So forgive me if I don't care how long you've owned a dog or where it's ultimately from. Fat is fat regardless of age and damaging to joints and ligaments. If you were so knowledgeable you'd know that and take appropriate measures to ensure your dogs joints are not overly stressed, and the dog maintains a healthy weight.

But hey... You know everything....
Thank you for your concern!

I will pass you comments on to both my 75lb. dog ( I just realized he is actually pushing 8 months) and his highly regarded veterinarian.

Should you care to leave your credentials, I am sure that the both would be appreciative. (put up or shut up. Or remain anonymous as most mouthy forum posters do)

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My grandfather is older than you and has had dogs since he was born. Doesn't change that the dog he has currently is obese. Neither does it change that your puppy at least was overweight in that photo. You say he is not now, why not a recent picture to prove such? I can certainly prove that my own puppy is not overweight, even though I do not overexercise him.

Many vets do not know a healthy dog from a fat one, and many more will not rock the boat and potentially offend an owner when their dog or cat is too fat. Considering your response to multiple people expressing concern over your dog's weight, I'm guessing your vet may be the latter.

My dog does not weigh that much at that height and he is older. Just saying.
Hey, I like a teeny dobie too (like yours) my oldest male averages 65lb.

When I brought my current pup McCoy home at his initial vet visit, the comment was (at the end of his thorough exam): Beautiful dog, yet he has a massive bone structure. He will probably be very large example of a Doberman.

BTW, you don't know my vet. You should be so lucky!
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4x4 I think the point many people are making is that modern science has come up with good consensus guidelines on food, exercise and nutrition for growing canines.

Disregard at your own (dog's) risk.
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4x4 I think the point many people are making is that modern science has come up with good consensus guidelines on food, exercise and nutrition for growing canines.

Disregard at your own (dog's) risk.
Thank you for your input. As I have previously commented, my newest pup just had a complete exam (@7 months) by his Veterinarian, who is in my opinion, one of the finest vets I have known in my 50 some years of owning dogs. The dog is totally healthy.

I have never owned a dog that was determined to be over weight. I have never owned a dog who developed joint issues.

My pups are always well cared for and probably receive more incidental vet visits than almost any dogs I know. That would be primarily because I am on the "Family and Friends" list, due to the fact that our vet is my son's father in law.In other words "free'. I can stop by at any time any receive a comp visit.
This man is not only superbly competent, he is also one of the most socially aware canine doctor/surgeons around. He spent a month this year in the Cook Islands providing free care to animals in need.

My problem here is the dozen or so commenters (who shall remain anonymous),
on this forum ,who tend to be overbearing. Intimidating, in fact. Which would be fine if their info was fact and not just rhetoric, furthering their egos.

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A slightly under weight dog would be better for the pet than an over weight one.
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Good luck to the OP as it is tough to find a food that works for your dog. Like Rosemary says it's the food that agrees the most with your dog and something you can afford to feed.

I would stay away from Iams but I'm probably not the best person to give advice on kibble as Coco did horribly on any kibble I tried. She's been raw fed for 5 years and it is what works best for her and I. Raw is not for everyone or every dog. I am excited though that today my raw food store had ground beaver in cubes that I got half a pound for Coco to try. She's never had it before!



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That food looks like a really good choice for you, and at a reasonable price. Can't wait to see pics of the puppy
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