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post #176 of 230 (permalink) Old 09-04-2013, 01:14 PM
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Oaky, we've been tracking twice now since school started. I've just been doing scent pads with Leo, and will wait to get her solidly working them before advancing on to short tracks. As for Ilka, it's a bit soon to say, but.... I think I might have a tracker on my hands. She did two short tracks today. By short, I mean one was 35 to 40 paces, and the other was 75 paces. But, the second one was only baited every ten steps or so, with two articles and an un-baited 45 degree turn. She never missed a beat, and followed it flawlessly. I still have to tell her to down at the articles, but she's starting to get the idea.

And did I mention that it is ridiculously hot? We got a late start, and didn't get to the park until 10:30, and were there for an hour. It's 90 degrees, the humidity is a low 58% (seriously, that is low for this area), and the heat index is 99 degrees. I had the girls tied in the shade with a water bucket, but we were tracking in the full sun, and my car doesn't have AC.


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Ilka did a couple of tracks today, and I'm very pleased with her. The first rack was about 73 paces (so around 146 feet, or 48 yards), baited at the start, 10 paces out, and at each of two articles. I distracted her at the turn when I realized she was tangled up in the safety strap from her regular collar to her pinch (note to self, take pinch off for future tracking), but she found the scent on her own, and practically dragged me to the last article.

Her second track was harder, at 160 paces (324 feet, or 108 yards), and crossed a cement footpath (about 6 feet wide) and part of a cement basketball court (about fifty feet), with very little bait. Did I mention that there were at least four people who walked on the path after I laid the track, and I don't know how many before that? She didn't miss a beat at the path, and even did okay over the basketball court. She getting the idea of downing for articles, also. I still have to remind her, but she's starting to go down on her own.

With any luck, she will be ready for certification by January or February. After she's certified, I can enter her in any TD or TDU test that is accepting All American Dogs.

And... the first tracking test in my area that will be accepting All American dogs is in April. There are only four slots. Fingers crossed.


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73 paces (so around 146 feet, or 48 yards)
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Could you convert that into metres too please?
48 yards=43.89 meters
108 yards=98.76 meters

I am judging distances based on my normal stride of ~24" per stride.

To pass her certification and TD test, she will have to do a 440 to 500 yard (402.34 meters to 457.2 meters) track, aged at least 30 minutes to not more than 2 hours.


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My poor baby... I totally over-challenged her today. (Bad mommy!) It was in the 90's, the wind would eddy every so often, and to add injury to insult, she got a mouthful of ants when they got to the bait before we did.

The first track was about 90 yards (82 meters), and aged about 15 to 20 minutes. There is bait at the start, about 10 paces out, and at each article. There is also bait across the little cement pad.
Ilka track #1 on 9-12-13 - YouTube

The second track was about 129 yards long, and aged about 10 to 15 minutes. Again, baited at the start and at the article at the end. There is also bait across the beach volleyball court.
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Bless her heart, she tried. I ended it up with a super short (20 pace), double laid track with a big pile of treats at the end.


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when did you start tracking? does she often cast about like that? how did you start her tracking and foundation?

everyone trains different methods so its hard to comment on things -she definitely tried A LOT!!!!! she seems to really like tracking.

i would probably back off on length and difficultly and reward more often. i only reward at articles and i have no food on my tracks, so for me that means more articles.


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I'm training on my own with help from DT and books. We started about this time last year. However, she probably only did a few dozen tracks before we took a break over the summer. These are tracks number 7 and 8 since we started back up a couple of weeks ago.

When she started casting, that's when I knew I had over-challenged her, because she usually pretty much footstep tracks. I started out baiting every step last year, but was already weaning her off. After the first two tracks this year, there has been bait mainly at the articles, or when we are crossing something like a sidewalk or the volleyball court (first time she'd ever tried tracking over sand).

I'm hoping to have her ready for certification in January or February. The first test in the area that is open to All Americans is in April.


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Okay since I am new to this whole tracking thing with Jett, and Ally has convinced me I need to do it more... Here I am hoping that keeping updates on here will keep me motivated to track with her....

I don't have access to a lot of open fields, so we are going to start tracking in short grass, and long when I can find it...

Yesterday there was a tiny uncut section of grass where I do agility... So I set up a small scent pad there. Did awesome

Then in short grass I did:
1 scent pad, 1 circle track, and 1 straight track (25 steps) treating every step
The scent pad she did great with.
Circle track was okay, could have done better.
Straight track she was a little distracted, I was in the agility field tracking and someone brought there dog out and Jett totally lost track of what she was doing... Little redirect she found the track again, and the jackpot at the end...

Saturday we are going to a Mock Mock trial (a mock trial before my new Sch club has their affiliation trial)... and they are inviting all to come out tracking! So hopefully I can get them to set up a couple short tracks for her in a real field.

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Finally managed to fit some tracking in with Elsie again!

Took a friend and her dog up to the hills near where we live and got her dog started off, and did 2 tracks with Elsie.

Her dog is not into food, so we're tracking for toys... She started off really nicely and was getting the hang of it pretty quickly! The conditions were quite windy though, so not ideal. She's going off to work on the tracking for a few weeks, then we'll meet up again and progress a little more.

I set up two tracks for Elsie, they were both around 500 metres (1640ft), aged half an hour and all up and down these crazy steep hills in a mix of long dry grass, short lush grass, rocks and dirt and we did a road crossing. Elsie nailed the first track which I did with her, lost a corner once when she was moving too quick and the track made a hard turn up the hill where the wind was blasting up, after casting for a bit she found the track again a few metres away and worked the rest of it really well.

Second track I let my friend handle her, as she has never seen tracking before or anything. Elsie worked really well despite having a stranger on her lead (not that Elsie is ever bothered by things like that) and lost the track once in a similar spot to where she lost it on the earlier track, which was good for my friend to see as Elsie has very obvious body language and I wanted my friend to try and work it out for herself (which she did!).


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Jonesy'sMom, I use various city parks for tracking practice. I've also got my eye on a couple of vacant lots for when we start working in heavier cover.


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Jonesy'sMom, I use various city parks for tracking practice. I've also got my eye on a couple of vacant lots for when we start working in heavier cover.
Just saw this...

My only city park wouldn't be very good for tracking... It's pretty much a duck pond, and her prey drive is way stronger than her drive to track.

But I've found that the school next to me has a little patch of grass that appears no kids travel on (too much) and they keep it longer too. Going to have to canvas it for creepy crawlies though... Lots of water mocasins in the area this time of year.

But I need to stop being lazy... or stop training so much other stuff... I can't track in the mornings, because I am at work before the sun even comes up. so the only day I have is Saturday and Sunday... And well... I've been lazy...

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Try checking out some of the other parks. There's probably at least one that would be usable. Destin, FL - Official Website Also, check out parks in neighboring towns. I use a park in Groves for tracking, as well as parks here in Beaumont. Maybe I'm just really lucky to have several large parks to choose from.


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I know my "avatar" says Destin but I am a good hour and a half from Destin lol

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I struggle with finding tracking grounds too and public parks are not always available near me either.

Another option besides public parks is to look for light industrial or commercial areas. I find large office buildings have manicured lawns that usually are cut on Mondays and are grown out nicely by the weekend.

Just watch for signs of chemical applications to the lawns such as signs, fertilizer or a chemical smell.

I also look for empty lots in industrial areas or near freeways for longer grass or hay fields to track on.
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i started two of the online courses at denise fenzi's sports academy - the tracking classes by lucy newton was very similar to berlins foundation and VERY informative and step by step - great for someone doing this at a distance. i can't wait for the next session - berlin hasn't been tracking along because of her knee, and im postponing going back to tracking heavily because we're doing nosework in a week and a half- but once we get to december im going to start back at the beginning (she should prpgress rapidly at first) and do lucy's method.


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Hi, Been away from this thread for awhile so making my way thru the latest posts.

After taking the summer off, got some lessons in this fall with Maiya and decided to enter a TDX (last one in our area for 2013). We are alternate #1 (of 4 TDX tracks). Found out that 15!! entries for TDX were received so felt lucky that we made it that close. In any case, I'll show up at the trial in case there is a last minute drop (doubtful). If we don't get in, hoping that one of the entries will allow a gallery so I can watch another dog track.

We've been practing 800+ yards aged 3+ hours (the last track was aged 4+ hours by the time we finished). Without the 2nd flag at the start for TDX, I'm finding that the start can make me feel nervous when Maiya doesn't get right to work.
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Well we had our first working trial last weekend, where we did two tracks! It was good fun, and Elsie thought it was easy! UD level tracks are a piece of cake, 3-4 legs in a flat paddock, usually with long grass! 700-800m long, half hour old.

First day she scored 195/200 for the track, lost marks on 2 corners, which was my fault for pulling her up and making her check if it was really a corner! I'm bad like that and need to trust her - when she turns, it's because it is a turn... Not always (or ever) after bunnies!

Second day was 190/200, lost 10 on one particularly difficult corner where I thought (BAD HANDLER WHAT WERE YOU DOING USING YOUR BRAIN!!!) the track went right, and Elsie insisted it went left, so I cast her around a few times and was still not convinced it went left, but followed her anyway, of course she soon picked up and article and fetched it to me! Good Elsie - bad handler!

Lots of fun though and Elsie is so into it! I love how she starts tracking before her harness is even on, walking down to the peg with the judge and Elsie is all "OMG we're about to track!" and has her nose on the ground tracking where the tracklayer walked in earlier!


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Well, evidently a Canine Partners/All American dog has passed the new Tracking Dog Urban test, and the world hasn't ended. How about that? The way tracking people on facebook and Yahoo groups were carrying on about both the new test and allowing All American dogs to enter tracking tests, I expected total annihilation within moments of that happening. Maybe we have to wait until the AKC processes the results, and actually sends out the title certificate?


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Off to the tracking & working trials seminar again next week! Very excited! Have the tracking only trial coming up in about 3 weeks, and then in March our second working trial. Hope to gain our second TT1a pass in Feb, then our second UDX in March! Bring on the tracking!!


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Well I never updated, but now is a better time than never!

We had our second level 1 trial in February.

Saturday we drew the 2nd track, bright and early in the morning. The track went left immediately off the peg which threw me a little (I know it can, but I never expect it to!), but Elsie was indicating strongly so after casting her once back around the start I followed on. The conditions were pretty damp and cold, on short grass with lots of big thorn bushes around. The place is FULL of rabbits & hares, so naturally Elsie is in hunting mode! She got into some thorny bushes and was obviously hunting not tracking so I broke my rule of not scolding her on the track and I pulled her out of the bushes and got her started again.

We tracked nicely along, came to a dirt road which she hesitated at, then crossed over and down through a ditch and up a hillside. She started casting pretty wildly on the hill, and the characteristic hunting pose of tail curled totally over her back and standing on her hind legs like a meercat started. I had a look around and realized that the track layer could not have got out of where we had tracked into (lots of big thorn bushes) so made the decision to turn around and try to regain the track where she was last working.

Went back to the dirt road and cast her there, naturally she turns onto the road and starts following it... The ditch and hillside were bunny trails apparently! Off we go, find the first article, realize we're running short on time so start moving a lot quicker... Make another turn back towards the start direction and move down through some really wet, long grass, great Elsie tracking terrain.... Look up and see the judge is walking away.... Boooo, we ran out of time! We were about 50 metres from the last article! No pass on Saturday!

This left me feeling very nervous for Sunday, maybe this bunny country is too big an ask for the terrier? On Sunday I drew track 6, which I knew was in a really lush, grass area... So perfect for Elsie. As things would have it, the running order got mucked up a little so they asked if they could shift me to the final track of the day (11) and I said yes. Apparently it was near a swamp, hopefully no ducks! Finally our turn rolled around and off we went straight out from the peg. Our track went over some grass and dirt, up a slight hill, made a right turn, across the hillside of grass and dirt, found an article, further walking, then another right turn down into this swampy grass area which it meandered through, went past an old burnt out car, then yay - last article! It all felt a bit easy!

Elsie got a good score, only losing 3 marks for casting, once at the start and twice at the corner before the swamp. So we got our 2nd level 1 pass!

So now I'm a bit stuck, we're at level 2 for tracking trials but still at UD level (half hour old baby tracks really)... Hopefully we'll pass UDX next weekend so we can move up to WD tracks... Then the fun will begin!

Level two tracks are 2 hours old and contain cross tracks, 3 articles and multiple surface changes and multiple obstacles like fences, gullies, streams, ditches, roads... WD tracks are quite similar, minus the cross track!

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Trial site


Ominous clouds on the way there (the weather was actually really nice)


Elsie and I tracking!






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Congratulations of the pass. Sounds like you had a really tough draw for the other track, though. I'm going to have to go back an reread the rules, to make sure I understand what you're talking about with the different levels, since I know they are different than the U.S.

I have been slacking (terribly, in fact) on our training. However, my husband is taking next week as a vacation, and this time I WILL draft him into laying track for me. Neither girl has run a track laid by someone other than me, so we really need to get working on that.

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22.5.1.5 Leash Track Level 1:
Age of track: one hour. One starting stake shall be used. Length of track should be
between 600-700 metres. Land should be flat to rolling and should include fences, gates,
ditches or swamps. Dog to pick up or indicate articles. Two articles placed on track (first
article approximately half way and second article at finish). The surface area of an article
must be no smaller than 100mm x 50mm. If the dog goes over the point where the
tracklayer says the article was and the dog does not indicate or pick up the article and
the tracklayer cannot find the article, the dog must be credited with the article points as
though it was found by the dog. Articles’ should be placed on a straight line, on a flat
part of the track and not hidden or placed within 10 metres of an obstacle or corner.
Time limit 20 minutes.
Track 200, Articles 10 each. Total Level One. 220

22.5.2.4 Leash Track Level 2
Blind start. The start and finish points of a 25 metre line (may be an invisible line across
a corner or a length of fence) are to be indicated to the handler along which to cast their
dog and an article of cloth (at least 300mm square) handled only by the tracklayer will be
given to the dog to scent. Length of track: 600 - 800 metres.
Age of track: two hours.
One cross track to be laid by another person other than the tracklayer – may be another
competitor - 30 minutes after main track is laid. Cross track to be laid a minimum
distance of 100 metres from start of track. Land: any type. Three articles: one at end of
track and the others at approximately equal distances apart on track. Dog must pick up
or indicate articles. Article size, placement and credit for articles not found to be as in
Level 1.
Time limit 25 minutes.
Track 200 points, Recognition of articles 15 points each, Total 245 points
Explanatory Notes: - Track should have a minimum of three changes of surface e.g.
grass, mud, gravel, concrete and should include obstacles that are not a danger to the
team such as fences, hedges, gullies, etc., any of which the track may be laid across.
Judge may in exceptional circumstances indicate to handler where the dog should be
recast.


Leash Track Level 3
As in Level 2 Leash Track excepting as follows. Age of track 3 hours. The track layer
and a decoy person (may be another competitor) will commence walking the track side
by side for a distance of 30 – 50 metres. The tracklayer will continue to lay the track
while the decoy person will leave the working area by the shortest possible route without
retracing their steps. Two cross tracks to be laid by one person other than tracklayer or
decoy person (may be another competitor) 30 minutes after main track is laid. Cross
tracks are to be laid a minimum distance of 100 metres from the start of track and
approximately 100 metres apart. Angles of all cross tracks to the main track to be at least
45 degrees. Time limit 25 minutes.
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YES! We finally had a break in the weather and were able to have our first tracking session. Soter is enrolled in the class but I'm also training Coco. I think they both did very well. My husband filmed both Soter and Coco's track and I've uploaded Soter's to the school. Can't wait to see what the instructor thinks
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We had our first IPO tracking session yesterday, and it went really well! We were doing scent pads and did a couple of very short 10 pace tracks and Aspen loved it.

We have been doing articles for a few weeks prior without any tracking, the way I taught her to indicate was by letting her work what I wanted by herself, no commands. When she looked at the article, treat, then when she touched the article with her nose, treat, then stopped treating and she started going through her repertoire and I just rewarded her downing over the article, then only rewarded when her paws were either side of the article.



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