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So how is everyone's tracking going?


I didn't do as much over winter as I had intended to do, but did get to "enjoy" some bad weather tracking (snow, frost, heavy rain). Managed to lose all of my start indicators in the forest so need to get some more this week so I can track on Friday in the forest!

At the moment when I am laying tracks I lay 3-4 smallish tracks (usually around 100-200 metres, so about 350-700 feet) and track them in a backwards order, so do track 3 first (5 minutes old), then track 2 (15 minutes old), then track 1 (half hour old). Finding that is a good way to get varying track ages done. A lot of our tracking is done in forests at the moment, so I do really need to go and find more paddocks to track in! Will stay with my parents for a bit this summer so can use their paddocks every day for a week. Using a lot more food on tracks now, which is really helping Elsie keep her head down and she isn't rushing as much, but she still looks quite frantic so I might need to place food drops closer to each other.


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I haven't even started. *Sigh* Life seems to have gotten in the way of dog training. Annoying when that happens. I'm just now getting back into working on obedience with Ilka, and even that has been hit and miss.

Mainly, my doctor and I are trying to figure out why I'm so tired all the time, and why I sometimes ache all over. There are some days when it's all I can do to function, let alone train dogs. According to all the bloodwork we've had done, I'm perfectly healthy.


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My tracking is going ok. We took a long break while Fenja was pregnant but we are recently back at it. Fenja is tracking SchH2 length tracks that are about 20 or so mins old. I need to start aging them longer, but I get real impatient waiting and always end up running them too soon.

Her tracks are about 400 paces with maybe on bit of food on the scent pad and one piece before the first article. I am currently using the articles as place of great praise and food reward. It is like a jackpot at the articles.

After the first article, I usually do a bit more food on the second leg. I try to also incorporate random chalenges like giant steps and weird turns and dips. You never know what you might find on trial day.

Ija is still on food in every footstep. She is 11 months now (almost) and her tracks are about 150 paces with weaves and turns. No articles yet.


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I've finally got Zeus indicating articles off of the tracks, but am not going to introduce them to real tracks yet. I laid a silly 15 step track that wasn't baited just to have him focus on the article and he did surprisingly well. Now I need to stop trying to rush to the 'real stuff' and go back to basics.

Tomorrow we'll lay a serpentine track for as many paces as I feel like. Haha its nice knowing that I don't really plan on trialing, I let my laziness judge how long the track is...
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Well, Ilka and I finally started some training. We did two tracks, maybe 20 to 25 feet each, with food in every step. She seemed to like the idea of not only was I allowing her to eat food that was left on the ground, I was actually encouraging it.

One question, though. She kept sneezing almost the entire time she was tracking. What I did was lay the track, and then walked back the same track to get her. Was I leaving too much scent? I've read that too much scent can make a dog sneeze, supposedly to get rid of the extra scent. Should I try laying the track, and then coming back to her a different way?


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Well, Ilka and I finally started some training. We did two tracks, maybe 20 to 25 feet each, with food in every step. She seemed to like the idea of not only was I allowing her to eat food that was left on the ground, I was actually encouraging it.

One question, though. She kept sneezing almost the entire time she was tracking. What I did was lay the track, and then walked back the same track to get her. Was I leaving too much scent? I've read that too much scent can make a dog sneeze, supposedly to get rid of the extra scent. Should I try laying the track, and then coming back to her a different way?
I don't normally have a problem with sneezing. Even when the track is new. I wonder if she got dust or something up her nose? I have even seen dogs get grass seeds up their noses which can be pretty bad.

What was the surface like?


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I don't normally have a problem with sneezing. Even when the track is new. I wonder if she got dust or something up her nose? I have even seen dogs get grass seeds up their noses which can be pretty bad.

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The surface was whatever kind of grass it is that survives a Texas summer. It was mowed to probably two inches, and in full sun. She did it on both tracks, almost right from the beginning. She was tied in the shade while I laid the first track. No sneezing. Sneezed on the track. Once we finished the first track, she was again tied in the shade, and didn't sneeze at all (that I noticed) while I laid the second track. Sneezed on the second track. After we did the second track, we worked on obedience for a few minutes, again with no sneezing.


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Not sure re. the sneezing stuff, but were you walking up and back the same track? I've been told it's bad to double back on a track when you are laying it.


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Not sure re. the sneezing stuff, but were you walking up and back the same track? I've been told it's bad to double back on a track when you are laying it.
I'll circle around the next time, then. I think I need to get some flags, and make my life easier. AKC uses flags to indicate the start of a track, and it sure beats trying to remember exactly where you started a track.

As soon as Leo's out of season, I'll start working with both of them on tracking. I can do tracking trials with a Leo after I get her PAL. Canine Partners dogs aren't allowed in tracking trials yet, but I was told it is being considered.


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I'll circle around the next time, then. I think I need to get some flags, and make my life easier. AKC uses flags to indicate the start of a track, and it sure beats trying to remember exactly where you started a track.

As soon as Leo's out of season, I'll start working with both of them on tracking. I can do tracking trials with a Leo after I get her PAL. Canine Partners dogs aren't allowed in tracking trials yet, but I was told it is being considered.
I keep leaving all of my start indicators in the forest

We just have a small painted wooden post, very easy to misplace! I'm thinking of getting some flags to train with, just so I'll stop losing the things! Will keep one good start post to use so she is familiar with it and be super careful lol.


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Okay, three tracks today (maybe 20'-30'), with no sneezing. I circled around, instead of coming straight back. Haven't been to Home Depot yet, so I improvised my markers, and used empty pop cans. At least I could find the beginnings and ends of the tracks.

The third track, I only baited every other step (was running low on treats), but she was really working it.


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Don't take away the food too early. I think it is a common mistake. I like to really set the behavior with many tracks with food in every footstep.


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Went tracking out in the forest today. We went for a good off-lead walk through the forest first for around 1.5 hours, then shut the dogs away and got to track laying. As soon as Elsie realized what was going on she started screaming the terrier death scream from the vehicle! Got one of the giant boys out to have a practice on some fresh tracks then Elsie finally got her turn.

Food every 3 steps, it was about 660ft and aged for half an hour and had 3 turns. On dry pine needles with a very light wind coming across the track. Elsie nailed it! I still have not got a start indicator so stupidly used a stick thinking I would find it... Got out there, no idea where the track has gone... But trusted Elsie and she took me to the start and had her head down the whole time!! Overshot the 2nd corner, I hadn't laid enough food around I think, but it's becoming more obvious to me what she looks like when she has lost the scent, and she got back on track quickly and head down right until we found her toy!

So pleased with her! Tracking is going so well! Putting food back down on the tracks was definitely the right thing to do, it's slowed her down a little and she is really keeping her head down.


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Food dropping techniques... Anybody wanna help me out here? It might just be because I am super uncoordinated, but I can't get into a good food dropping/footstep routine LOL. Just about to go and lay a nice long track, already dreading the food part! Do you drop the food then step on it (and risk filling the tread of your boots with sausage) or step then awkwardly bend backwards to hopefully drop food where you stepped? There must be a better way LOL.
LOL well half the time I lay tracks I am focusing so much on my footsteps I lose balance. You don't want my advice.
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Don't take away the food too early. I think it is a common mistake. I like to really set the behavior with many tracks with food in every footstep.
Like I said, I only baited every other step of the last track because I was low on food. The first two tracks I baited every step, and she was going so fast, she passed by almost a third of the treats. By the third track, she was really starting to lean into the harness well.


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LOL well half the time I lay tracks I am focusing so much on my footsteps I lose balance. You don't want my advice.
Okay, glad to know I'm not the only one. I'm not very graceful at the best of times, and leaning over while walking in order to bait a track is not the best of times.


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I found the method posted in reply to my comment to be really helpful... Step then slide foot sideways and drop food into footstep like that. I was apparently too retarded to figure that out on my own LOL.

Rosemary are you feeding before tracking? Elsie was really bad with skipping food drops early in our training, which is why I quit using food... But she got better when I gave a small dinner, no breakfast and tracked around midday, then fed a bigger dinner that night. I've found food every 3 steps is a good medium between having enough food to last a whole track (working trial, and I assume AKC tracks are pretty long!) and enough food to keep her nose firmly planted on the ground.


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I take two steps and then scootch my feet back an inch and a half and drop the food in. It probably would be better if I could get a video of it, but that is how I do it.
I'm doing it this way, but leaving foood in pretty much every step for now. I take a step, scoot my foot back, and drop the food. Take the next step, scoot foot, drop food. I'm only doing a straight track of about 30' or so for now. And I have gotten a few looks.....

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I found the method posted in reply to my comment to be really helpful... Step then slide foot sideways and drop food into footstep like that. I was apparently too retarded to figure that out on my own LOL.

Rosemary are you feeding before tracking? Elsie was really bad with skipping food drops early in our training, which is why I quit using food... But she got better when I gave a small dinner, no breakfast and tracked around midday, then fed a bigger dinner that night. I've found food every 3 steps is a good medium between having enough food to last a whole track (working trial, and I assume AKC tracks are pretty long!) and enough food to keep her nose firmly planted on the ground.
Yesterday, I kind of did it on the spur of the moment, so she had eaten breakfast at about 9:00, and we did our tracking at about 1:00. Today, I was planning on tracking, so I fed about 2/3 of her normal breakfast at about9:00, and we did tracking at about 1:00 again. She's pretty food motivated (I can't eat a piece of string cheese without her undivided attention), so I don't think it was because she wasn't hungry. She's always hungry.

ETA: The first AKC title of Tracking Dog requires a track of 440 to 500 yards, aged 30 minutes to two hours, and includes 3 to 5 turns (mix of left and right), at least two of which are 90 degrees turns.


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Poor Ilka. Leo got to track today, instead of her. I made her do obedience, instead.

Leo did two short (20' or so) tracks this afternoon. Any time I leaned over the least little bit to point out a treat, she'd drop, but I finally got her to at least go forward. She crawled most of the way on both tracks, but finally looked like she was starting to use her nose. I know she's a Shepherd, and a BYB one at that, but geeze, she is soooo freakin' soft.

Ilka, meanwhile, was off being walked by my husband. She kept loooking back at Leo and me, like "Hey!! I wanna!!!!" My husband and I swapped dogs, and I did some obedience with Ilka. After we were done, and I released her, she ran over to where I had worked with Leo, evidently looking for her treats.


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Not the greatest video in the world, but here is Ilka tracking today. Ilka tracking 10-4-2012 - YouTube You'll notice she seems to get a little lost in the middle of the track. The wind was shifting direction, and I think she was having a bit of trouble with that.


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Overall I think that was really good. Maybe I missed it before, but are you planning on IPO tracking with her? If so, at some point you will have to change gear. Only collars or specific tracking harnesses are allowed to track with and you must be using a 33ft lead.

That said, she is working pretty well and has just a bit of trouble with the wind but works through it with your help.

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Overall I think that was really good. Maybe I missed it before, but are you planning on IPO tracking with her? If so, at some point you will have to change gear. Only collars or specific tracking harnesses are allowed to track with and you must be using a 33ft lead.

That said, she is working pretty well and has just a bit of trouble with the wind but works through it with your help.

Good job!
I'm hoping the AKC opens tracking up to Canine Partners dogs. I've been told it is in discussion. I'll have to look into IPO tracking. I didn't know I could do that with a mutt.

AKC requires a line 20'-40' long, and a harness (no collars allowed), but isn't too specific aout the harness style, other than "non-restictive".

This is probably her 7th track. I've lost count, but that seems about right.


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Not the greatest video in the world, but here is Ilka tracking today. Ilka tracking 10-4-2012 - YouTube You'll notice she seems to get a little lost in the middle of the track. The wind was shifting direction, and I think she was having a bit of trouble with that.
Seventh track? She's doing great.
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