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This is the hardest opening sequence I have ever had in a Jumpers course. (this past weekend)Thought I would share it with everyone.


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Had a little break from agility with a obedience and tricks seminar 2 weekends ago, then we had another huge snow which cancelled training for the week, then I had to go up north for the day for obedience stuff, training cancelled again on Tuesday because the grounds were still boggy (except for our introductory course which is on concrete)... so HOPEFULLY we will have training tonight (Wednesday).

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[QUOTE=alwayshadpets;956108]This is the hardest opening sequence I have ever had in a Jumpers course. (this past weekend)Thought I would share it with everyone.[/QUOTE

How'd you do?

And who was the evil judge who put that course together??
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Wow! That looks like something our South African instructor and judge puts together!


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This is the hardest opening sequence I have ever had in a Jumpers course. (this past weekend)Thought I would share it with everyone.
WOW What a course! I am lost, and I didn't even run it...

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FINALLY got Jonesy's Paperwork all together for AKC/ILP(PAL) so it should go into the mail tomorrow (when I can get a stamp)

I am fairly new to this Agility thing still, and constantly learning new things... I still haven't got all the words down, and I can't believe that me and Jones have only been doing this for a little under a year (I think it will be a year in 2 months)...

To sum up Jones over the past year...
Our first trial was a "see where he is standing type thing"... He was really distracted with all the new sights and sounds, and didn't really do that well (actually didn't Q at all) With more practice and patience he can now run courses without even thinking about the crowd...

His second trial went much better gaining his first title (in ASCA) and I think you would call it a leg and a half? Someone correct me... he earned 15 pts for another title (takes 30pts) What messed him up is his contacts...

We have been working diligently on his 2o2o and he still likes to jump off sometimes, but is much better then he was, I really need to get him to hold his 2o2o longer (he likes to swing his butt, any suggestions?)

Over the past month we have been working on "Out" (obsticle away from me)and "Go" (or finish...) He's got his Out fairly well, but he doens't like to "Go" he likes to run next to me, and I know he would be so much faster if he didn't have to run right next to me...

The next thing my our trainer wants us to work on is "left" and "right"... but until Jonesy learns he doens't have to be attatched to my hip during a run I think we will be okay...

I'd like to work on his Table... I know you don't need a down or sit anymore (if I understood correctly) in AKC... but I would like Jones to get an AUTO sit... Any idea's on how to make him do that... He probably has the slowest sit in the west...

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We don't even have tables as an obstacle in NZ any more! We do have cross overs though, which I don't think yous have?

When you say he is swinging his butt doing 2o2o, what do you mean? Are his back legs coming off and going onto the ground? Is it on all contacts he is doing this?

For teaching "go", I would teach him to go to a target (a toy, or a lid of something with a treat sitting on it perhaps), and slowly add in obstacles before it... start off on the flat and send him just a few metres, then up the distance, then add obstacles


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We don't even have tables as an obstacle in NZ any more! We do have cross overs though, which I don't think yous have?

Never seen a cross over if that is an obstacle...

When you say he is swinging his butt doing 2o2o, what do you mean? Are his back legs coming off and going onto the ground? Is it on all contacts he is doing this?

Yes and yes (minus teeter, because we don't do a 2o2o on that)

For teaching "go", I would teach him to go to a target (a toy, or a lid of something with a treat sitting on it perhaps), and slowly add in obstacles before it... start off on the flat and send him just a few metres, then up the distance, then add obstacles

Tried this... he will "Go" as long as it is not in the middle of a run... if it's during a run, he is glued to me... We've been trying to toss a toy for him to go for, and it has about a 50/50 chance of working

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This is a cross over, it's like a 4 way dog walk


I hopefully have training tonight, so will ask some advice from our resident 2o2o guru (I have not trained my own dog with this yet... back in Poppy's day we did running contacts which never really worked LOL)


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Wow so do you always go straight, or do they have them when they turn at the top?

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I don't think you ever go straight, always left or right!


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We got second (24in.) Only 3 dogs qualified. Tamora only had 2 strides and was at the next jump. You needed a stay at the start line and you had to micro manage this opening sequence. It was very hard and if I ever saw it again I would not run it. Too hard on the dogs joints I think. (unatural sharp turns--because of call offs for me) (Not a course for our big striding dobermans) (not a course for making good yardage either). (we have a super fast BC (26in.) going for international/world?/times and even he did not make the times he needed--not even close and he could not have run it any faster.

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I hopefully have training tonight, so will ask some advice from our resident 2o2o guru (I have not trained my own dog with this yet... back in Poppy's day we did running contacts which never really worked LOL)
I have never seen anything like this either. Atlas (my young good size boy) would never be able to do it, unless he was taught to walk it sloooooooooooowly!!!!! As a matter of fact I would lilke to see the dogwalk made wider for safety purposes.
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Oops deleting my post. You answered how you did on the course. Good job.

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We have been working diligently on his 2o2o and he still likes to jump off sometimes, but is much better then he was, I really need to get him to hold his 2o2o longer (he likes to swing his butt, any suggestions?)
I might go back to using a target plate if you did. Go back a few steps.

For swinging his butt, do you reward with the hand closest to the dog? Can you set a plank up next to something like a wall and 'crowd' him?

If I have a high value toy, 25% of the time Flirt comes off crooked. Now that she knows 2o2o I do not reward crooked 2o2o. I say ok release and we try again.

For "go on" does he know to go take a jump without you? This is the first exercise we do in foundation with a piece of equipment. It's called building value in a jump. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_umMUntIzG0

I also use my Treat N Train/Manners Minder" for distance. Start at 1 jump, send. Go back 1.5 jumps. Then 2 jumps, then 3 jumps. Here is a sending exercise, however notice Havoc jumps back OVER the jump on the way back. not good

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When you do your training do you run with, send and call over at each step of the training plan? So you are not always running with the dog?

Also do you have a physical command for go on or out? I use my arm and hold it out. I shouldn't have to but often my dogs won't go on and saty "going on" unless my arm is out. If I drop it, they come back in.

Edited to add - Sorry I see you've been trying sending him. I would continue. Can you do it at home ay 5-8 small sessions a week? I also think building value in a jump would help tremendously for going on. He learns to take what is in front of him.

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We do use the target plate, and it has been helping slow his butt down, I'd say I use the plate probably every other time... However the plate I think is what causes his butt to go to the side... So maybe placing the target out further would help....

He will take a jump without me standing next to him... Like in an "out" or even a rear cross he has no problems with me being out of site... the problem comes on finishing I'd say... Most of the courses we have come across so far have been finishing on 2 jumps... He will take the first jump, but then I say "Go Jump" and he looks at me like really? and then waits for me to catch up and then take the jump...

I am not sure if he is unsure of the command yet, or really isn't wanting to take the jump without me...

In training I'd say I have a tendency to run right next to him, minus sending him or leading out...

We only have access to Agility course once a week for 3 hours... And one of these days I will have a yard... I've been thinking I might make my own couple of jumps and bring them to the local dog park...

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We do use the target plate, and it has been helping slow his butt down, I'd say I use the plate probably every other time... However the plate I think is what causes his butt to go to the side... So maybe placing the target out further would help....

He will take a jump without me standing next to him... Like in an "out" or even a rear cross he has no problems with me being out of site... the problem comes on finishing I'd say... Most of the courses we have come across so far have been finishing on 2 jumps... He will take the first jump, but then I say "Go Jump" and he looks at me like really? and then waits for me to catch up and then take the jump...

I am not sure if he is unsure of the command yet, or really isn't wanting to take the jump without me...

In training I'd say I have a tendency to run right next to him, minus sending him or leading out...

We only have access to Agility course once a week for 3 hours... And one of these days I will have a yard... I've been thinking I might make my own couple of jumps and bring them to the local dog park...
Yes, play with moving the target plate around. Also I would not trial until he is 100% without the target plate. I use pringles lids (thank you hubby for loving chips!) And I cut them smaller and smaller to fade them. Play around with it and measure it with your feet when you get the right spot. Then set it at the same spot each time.

OR if you find thep late is what causes his butt to swing, quit using the plate. The plate on the Aframe causes Havoc to slam into a 2o2o hard on his shoulders so I quit using it.

For go on, I'd really try the value in a jump drill. It's made a huge difference between Gabby and my other 2. Gabby does NOT go on many times. Havoc usually always will. Flirt is still working on it. She'll do 1-2 jumps, not 3-4 yet. My instructor is having similar problems with her novice dog and her trainer (world team trainer) had her go back to building value in the jump.

I got a really inexpesive jump at Affordable Agility.

You guys are doing GREAT in training especially for the time you've been training.

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Yes, play with moving the target plate around. Also I would not trial until he is 100% without the target plate. I use pringles lids (thank you hubby for loving chips!) And I cut them smaller and smaller to fade them. Play around with it and measure it with your feet when you get the right spot. Then set it at the same spot each time.

OR if you find thep late is what causes his butt to swing, quit using the plate. The plate on the Aframe causes Havoc to slam into a 2o2o hard on his shoulders so I quit using it.

For go on, I'd really try the value in a jump drill. It's made a huge difference between Gabby and my other 2. Gabby does NOT go on many times. Havoc usually always will. Flirt is still working on it. She'll do 1-2 jumps, not 3-4 yet. My instructor is having similar problems with her novice dog and her trainer (world team trainer) had her go back to building value in the jump.

I got a really inexpesive jump at Affordable Agility.

You guys are doing GREAT in training especially for the time you've been training.
For a while I stopped using the plate's (cottage cheese lid) on the A-Frame for the same reason... I didn't like that he was coming to a stop on his front like he was... What I ended up doing was moving his "stop" further back on the A-Frame... so it was 4 in the yellow, which is fine with me as long as he can hold it...

The DW he goes pretty slow over, so his 2o2o is good there...
The Teeter he doesn't have a 2o2o because he slips off the teeter every time (on the bounce), but again he is pretty slow to go over that as well, so not a big deal..

Our next Trial is late October, which we are already entered, but he always seems to do better in trials (another thing I don't understand) He always impresses me though, and I am sure with 8 more practices and me working on obedience at home, he should be ready

As far as the jumps I will have to do some price research (80$ +/- for shipping) or home depot...

Thanks Adara, I am really glad I got into Agilty, and I am really happy that Jonesy enjoys it as much as I do..

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This jump is $34.95. I got mine on sale for a bit less. My total with shipping was $35 and it was cheaper than anything local to me.

Economy Adjustable agility jump

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that is the one I was looking at I put it into a cart $87.30 for 2 jumps I am sure PVC pipe can't be that expensive.. granted I haven't been to a hardware store in some time

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You can get a 10' section of pvc pipe for around $2 depending on the diameter of the pipe. Ts are pretty cheap. End caps even cheaper.

Schedule 40 pvc pipe is a little more than regular pvc pipe.
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This is the hardest opening sequence I have ever had in a Jumpers course. (this past weekend)Thought I would share it with everyone.


Yikes. Thats looks tough. Kudos for getting through it. Is there a way you could post how you handled the course? Maybe a map of your path through?
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Maya is a very lovely almost 2 year old...... together we have been learning agility and obedience training. I am very fortunate that my vet recommended my trainer, now friend to me. Although dogs were always part of my family I never understood how important it was to socialize dogs very young or to engage them in activities that constantly introduced them to new people, experiences..... what a difference. Maya is a true joy, my husband and I take her everywhere and introduce her to everyone.

About agility..... we started with puppy kindergarten, basic obedience and then to agility and obedience. I love seeing her weave, jump, go through tunnels, A-Frame, respond to my encouragements. For whatever reason she is very afraid of the tall teeter and walk over. The most odd thing happened about a month ago.... for months she would not go over the walk over and then one night my trainer was very upset about the loss of one of her dogs, I really believe Maya felt sympathy for her, wanted to please her and me.... she did the walk over 5 times! That was 4 weeks ago, she won't even look it now - just walks on by.....! Am I disappointed - not by a long shot I enjoy our time working together and the friendships she and I have developed.
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My start is after #2
Tamora had a good stay on the start for this run

#2 Front back side of #2

#3 T. on my left

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#8 T. on my right

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We've been focusing on finding the back of a jump in class the last 2 weeks. I keep hearing how it is more and more and more common in AKC courses. I was pleased that even though we are beginners in a more advanced class, Flirt rocked it. We had our fumbles, but she got the hard things. The way we taught "build value in a jump", 180s and then 270s, leads perfectly to sending her out behind a jump.

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We've been focusing on finding the back of a jump in class the last 2 weeks. I keep hearing how it is more and more and more common in AKC courses. I was pleased that even though we are beginners in a more advanced class, Flirt rocked it. We had our fumbles, but she got the hard things. The way we taught "build value in a jump", 180s and then 270s, leads perfectly to sending her out behind a jump.
I do believe back side of the jumps are here, thats` for sure, plus I am seeing a lot of obstacle discriminations. (dog walk and tunnel right next to each other after a jump) (Starts with a tire, than a dog walk and a tunnel right next to each other). This is hard for us and we are working on it. I think I only had one of these obstacle set ups last year and this year I have seen at least 6 in the last couple of months on the Standard Course runs.
I will be curious to see what the next trials have to offer.

Good job with Flirt. I love love to hear and watch about doberman trial runs.
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