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K9 ABC Games Dual Odor Title

Here are some of the photos from Sypha's K9 ABC Games Dual Odor Title last weekend. Super fun, and great photos!

The container "series" of photos is a great reminder from Sypha that I really need to trust her alert and call those containers right away!

Container hide:
DSC_0436 by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

DSC_0439 by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

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DSC_0444 by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

DSC_0445 by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

DSC_0450 by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

Vehicle hide:
DSC_0459 by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

DSC_0511 by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

Exterior ground hide:
DSC_0480 by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr


The other three hides were all indoors, so no photos of that part of the search. She did beautiful work, pretty efficient - 6 hides in under 5 minutes. Very clear alerts. Really happy with this one.
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I cracked up looking at the pictures from the container hide--if ever a Doberman was trying to tell an owner--"YES, YES MOM!!!!!!!! IT'S IN THIS ONE.." It was Sypha.

The best tracker I ever trained was always exasperated with me on corners--he'd take a corner too soon or way out from where I thought he should be (reminder to self--always trust the dog) and I'd make him come back and do it again (of course by he time we ran the track it might be as much as two hours after it was laid and if it was at all windy the scent trail was often in a rather different place). But I got a lot of dirty looks from that particular dog when I made him go back and make sure he was actually taking a corner that was there.

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I cracked up looking at the pictures from the container hide--if ever a Doberman was trying to tell an owner--"YES, YES MOM!!!!!!!! IT'S IN THIS ONE.." It was Sypha.

The best tracker I ever trained was always exasperated with me on corners--he'd take a corner too soon or way out from where I thought he should be (reminder to self--always trust the dog) and I'd make him come back and do it again (of course by he time we ran the track it might be as much as two hours after it was laid and if it was at all windy the scent trail was often in a rather different place). But I got a lot of dirty looks from that particular dog when I made him go back and make sure he was actually taking a corner that was there.

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Sypha used to do a lot more "playing" with boxes/containers, so I didn't trust her alert. But that did fade pretty well. I need to do a LOT better job of trusting her! She went immediately to this container and alerted, and I didn't trust it. Clearly I should have! She's done the same in another trial - went immediately to the first container and strong alert behavior and I didn't buy it...she just gives me this look of disgust. She hasn't let me down in a while, so I really need to just trust her!

Honestly, she's been doing great in her searching. If I give her time to work out the puzzles, don't rush her and don't call something too soon, she's been working really well. She's so fun to work with in Nosework - it's so clearly the sport she's chosen. I think she'd like tracking, too, but I haven't been able to find a class that works with our schedule and doesn't interfere with Nosework (and the tracking season is, obviously), very short here in MN. Maybe some day. For now, we keep working in NW, and I just love her joy when she knows she's about to come out of the crate to search.
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Don't know how I missed this one ! Great Job Team Sypha ! Great pictures !
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I missed it too.

Anyway, Mom, what's a girl to do? Pick the whole thing up and shove it into your hands?

I'm wondering—if you don't get the signal right away (once your dog is pretty well trained already), will it make her give you a stronger alert right from the beginning the next time she runs?? Would that be a way to get a dog to give you a more noticeable alert as her training progresses?
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I missed it too.

Anyway, Mom, what's a girl to do? Pick the whole thing up and shove it into your hands?

I'm wondering—if you don't get the signal right away (once your dog is pretty well trained already), will it make her give you a stronger alert right from the beginning the next time she runs?? Would that be a way to get a dog to give you a more noticeable alert as her training progresses?
Well...maybe, Mel. But you might also create frustration in your dog, and they might say to themselves, if I'm going to be ignored, I might as well not "tell" my handler there's any odor here!

It's part of training...what you want to work on is creating a dog who can "deal with" a dumb handler! Because this happens in trials, right? What if you aren't looking at them when they find the odor right away? What if you accidentally pull them away from the odor with your leash? When you don't know where the hide is (like you do in training a lot of the time), you do really stupid things as a handler! So what we try to do is create a determined, resilient dog who is "odor obedient" - a dog who will "drive" to the odor no matter what their handler is doing, "stick" to that odor and be determined to tell you about it!
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Well...maybe, Mel. But you might also create frustration in your dog, and they might say to themselves, if I'm going to be ignored, I might as well not "tell" my handler there's any odor here!

It's part of training...what you want to work on is creating a dog who can "deal with" a dumb handler! Because this happens in trials, right? What if you aren't looking at them when they find the odor right away? What if you accidentally pull them away from the odor with your leash? When you don't know where the hide is (like you do in training a lot of the time), you do really stupid things as a handler! So what we try to do is create a determined, resilient dog who is "odor obedient" - a dog who will "drive" to the odor no matter what their handler is doing, "stick" to that odor and be determined to tell you about it!

Thats a great explanation MC.
I love Nosework (even though I have not attended classes since January of this year) we still practice at home daily.
Over the last several months Hoss has really taken nosework. Totally wears him out also!
It’s fun to watch him work an area. He is no longer Dobe smacking the boxes thank goodness.
Gosh I thought that stage would never end. What did helped me with getting Hoss’s nose to the box versus his paws was the use of electrical boxes with yokes attached to the electrical boxes. Would place the scent tin in the electrical box and he was required to poke his snout into the yoke hole before his payday.
Now he Dobe pokes the box and looks up at me.
This human has learned to watch that nose....all that puffing .....and dripping. And then you see that Ah-ha moment. Priceless.

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