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Obedience vs rally

Jax and I have dabbled in rally novice, but have yet to compete in obedience. I've got him entered for both rally and obedience at the next show in my area. Any tips for someone used to rally but new to the obedience ring? I've checked out some youtube videos and I know he can ace it in novice, handler error is more likely to occur than anything else

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Make sure that he knows that you being quiet means that he's doing things right, and is comfortable with it. If he's only used to you talking during training and rally, the deafening silence of formal obedience can be confusing. Especially if you do a lot of shaping, and use silence to mean "try something else".

Oh, and make sure that you know when you can use a verbal and hand signal or only one or the other.
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Questions for yeah PB ! lol

So you said Jax and I have dabbled in rally novice , So did Jax get his RN ? Or just training at home or at class ???

Reason I ask is that Kadin and I have been working at home and getting lots of great advice from the members on here . I wanted him ready when we went to a class , then on to a show . Any thing you can share would be great !

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The hardest part of Rally for us was me learning what the hell those signs meant. We learned it in our living room and when Bacc was barely 7 months we did a 4 day trial. First 2 days of the weekend were in Indiana and the other 2 days were in Illinois. What helped Bacc was moving around the ring at a quick pace unfortunately it made it more difficult for me since I needed a little extra time to understand what each sign meant. The ones that were turns were easy.....the others (all the others) were head scratchers.
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The hardest part of Rally for us was me learning what the hell those signs meant. = LMAO VZ -

Question VZ - Where did you go in Indiana ?
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The hardest part of Rally for us was me learning what the hell those signs meant. = LMAO VZ -

Question VZ - Where did you go in Indiana ?

First two days were in (sp) Valipairso? Indiana and then the last two days were across the border in Illinois. I can't remember the place except it was indoors at I think a soccer arena. The trial in Indiana was outdoors and it was OB/Confo/Rally. It was where I first met Karen Taylor.
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Thanks VZ - Valpo is way up North of us - just wondering if you were close to us = East Of Indy 30 miles
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We did go to Indy for Bacc's first AKC agility trials. He was exactly 15 months old the day of the first trial. Indy is also where we did the American Temperament Test. This was years ago.
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So you said Jax and I have dabbled in rally novice , So did Jax get his RN ? Or just training at home or at class ???

I believe he only needs one more qualifying score for his RN, so we should have it by the end of this upcoming show, then we get to move to intermediate or advanced!

We took a beginner rally class before competing, but it turned out we already knew the majority of what they were teaching - so it ended up being a great opportunity to brush up on commands and practice in a distracting environment.

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We took a beginner rally class before competing, but it turned out we already knew the majority of what they were teaching - so it ended up being a great opportunity to brush up on commands and practice in a distracting environment.


Thanks PB ! I think -- I Think we are like you - The handler is what needs the work to be done here We need the Distraction work here - that is our down fall

Any tips you can give a beginner here ? What equipment if any do you take with you when going to a rally event ??

Best of luck on your 3rd leg !

Keep us posted as I need all the help I can get .

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We took a beginner rally class before competing, but it turned out we already knew the majority of what they were teaching - so it ended up being a great opportunity to brush up on commands and practice in a distracting environment.





Thanks PB ! I think -- I Think we are like you - The handler is what needs the work to be done here We need the Distraction work here - that is our down fall



Any tips you can give a beginner here ? What equipment if any do you take with you when going to a rally event ??



Best of luck on your 3rd leg !



Keep us posted as I need all the help I can get .



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The only thing so far that has tripped us up in competition has been uneven flooring, it was really rough unevenly poured concrete and Jax didn't like to sit on it so he ended up breaking a sit too early. That cost us 3 points and what would've otherwise been first place! So I would say practice on different floors and environments.

One thing we did have to work on more before competing was perfecting his heel - not necessarily the heel itself, but keeping his butt in line with me during sharp turns etc. He's a big dog and he'll take the path of least resistance so sometimes that meant trying to cut corners and that made turns look sloppy. Getting something raised to put his front feet on, like a little feed bucket from the feed store, and having him keep his front paws on the bucket and move his back end around gave him more hind end awareness, so now if he's getting sloppy I can tell him to "get in" or just say heel again and he looks a lot better!

Otherwise, it has mostly just been practice practice practice for me to learn the signs - Jax has it down as long as I tell him to do it the right way! I hate holding the leash for some of those signs, I'm excited to graduate to a class where I won't have to have him on leash. One less thing for me to worry about!

Oh, and no collars with tags in the ring! I just bring him into the ring in a slip lead.

I would bring a crate and/or a bed, lawn chair, water bowl, water, plenty of high value treats, and some poop bags just in case

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You can check how many legs he has on your My AKC account. Just sign in (or create an account, if you don't already have one) and go to the Manage Dogs tab. After you add him to your account, all you have to do is click on his name to bring up his info. Then just go to the Titles & Points tab to see what he has.

Yes, no tags or anything else dangling from the collar. A flat ID plate that is riveted to the collar is okay, though, as is a collar with the info embroidered or printed on it. The collar and leash need to be able to be separated, with the collar remaining on the dog (so no one-piece slip leads), even n Rally Novice, where the leash is never removed.

Definitely need a crate, water bowl, water from home or bottled water, plenty of pick-up baggies, snacks for both of you, and a chair.
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The only thing so far that has tripped us up in competition has been uneven flooring, it was really rough unevenly poured concrete and Jax didn't like to sit on it so he ended up breaking a sit too early. That cost us 3 points and what would've otherwise been first place! So I would say practice on different floors and environments.

One thing we did have to work on more before competing was perfecting his heel - not necessarily the heel itself, but keeping his butt in line with me during sharp turns etc. He's a big dog and he'll take the path of least resistance so sometimes that meant trying to cut corners and that made turns look sloppy. Getting something raised to put his front feet on, like a little feed bucket from the feed store, and having him keep his front paws on the bucket and move his back end around gave him more hind end awareness, so now if he's getting sloppy I can tell him to "get in" or just say heel again and he looks a lot better!

Otherwise, it has mostly just been practice practice practice for me to learn the signs - Jax has it down as long as I tell him to do it the right way! I hate holding the leash for some of those signs, I'm excited to graduate to a class where I won't have to have him on leash. One less thing for me to worry about!

Oh, and no collars with tags in the ring! I just bring him into the ring in a slip lead.

I would bring a crate and/or a bed, lawn chair, water bowl, water, plenty of high value treats, and some poop bags just in case

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Thanks a million PB ! Maybe you should start a tread in your experiences in RN and what you have learned and what can trip you up and anything else - Rosemary you included

Like I said PB -- Thanks
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Thanks a million PB ! Maybe you should start a tread in your experiences in RN and what you have learned and what can trip you up and anything else - Rosemary you included



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Haha, no prob! Maybe I'll start that thread once I'm a little more experienced, I'll probably have a lot more tips to share then

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Definitely need a crate, water bowl, water from home or bottled water, plenty of pick-up baggies, snacks for both of you, and a chair.
And paper towels. Lots and lots of paper towels.
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Just a suggestion but what was a huge help was keeping a journal with me and when we finished the day I'd enter the info in my journal. It really helped keep accurate stats and you could see everything you needed at a glance. If we waited until AKC posted the stats it would usually take up to 3 weeks. And if you qualified for a final leg you could make sure you moved up at the next day's trial. I did the same with UKC and NADAC.
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The collar and leash need to be able to be separated, with the collar remaining on the dog (so no one-piece slip leads), even n Rally Novice, where the leash is never removed.
Oh, no one piece slip leads?? That is what I used last time! He was wearing an ID holder and slip lead, I took the ID holder off and handed it to someone before entering the ring. Does he need to wear a flat collar and traditional clip on lead? Maybe I had a lenient judge!

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Oh, no one piece slip leads?? That is what I used last time! He was wearing an ID holder and slip lead, I took the ID holder off and handed it to someone before entering the ring. Does he need to wear a flat collar and traditional clip on lead? Maybe I had a lenient judge!

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It's possible that the judge didn't realize it was a one piece lead. They're human, after all. But yes, they need to wear a collar with a lead that clips onto it for all classes where there is on lead work. For classes that are done entirely off lead (Advanced and higher for rally, and Open or higher for obedience) the lead can be slipped under the collar, but the collar must remain on the dog when the lead is removed.
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It's possible that the judge didn't realize it was a one piece lead. They're human, after all. But yes, they need to wear a collar with a lead that clips onto it for all classes where there is on lead work. For classes that are done entirely off lead (Advanced and higher for rally, and Open or higher for obedience) the lead can be slipped under the collar, but the collar must remain on the dog when the lead is removed.
Wow, since I "got away with it" I assumed slip leads were allowed and that's what I planned on using at this upcoming show! I will definitely make sure he wears a flat collar next time. Thank you so much, that could've been a disaster!

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Wow, since I "got away with it" I assumed slip leads were allowed and that's what I planned on using at this upcoming show! I will definitely make sure he wears a flat collar next time. Thank you so much, that could've been a disaster!

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I've seen dogs dismissed from the ring for coming in with dangles on their collars. And not just a rookie mistake, some were running in Master classes.
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I've seen dogs dismissed from the ring for coming in with dangles on their collars. And not just a rookie mistake, some were running in Master classes.
I knew about the hanging tag rule - well, I didn't until I was told immediately before I entered the ring so I just slipped off his ID collar and handed it to someone before I walked into the ring. Nobody said anything about the slip lead though!

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You could use a flat buckle collar. You really don't have to unbuckle it when done running merely slip it over the dog's head or clip your leash on it BEFORE you exit the ring.
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Yeah, I will definitely be bringing him in a flat collar with a clip on leash next time!

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I forgot to mention that at the agility trials they usually ban chokers even if you're just walking around the facility or the grounds.
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I forgot to mention that at the agility trials they usually ban chokers even if you're just walking around the facility or the grounds.
I'm assuming slip leads would fall into that. Yikes! I need to be careful with my slip leads. Jax doesn't do agility (we took a class for fun, but haven't competed), but I'd like to get into it with Future Puppy.

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