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So for obedience novice - I know I can't be praising him throughout the exercise like you can in rally. But what is considered praise? Obviously verbal or physical praise is a no go. But can I smile at him or nod my head, or would that be considered praise?

Now that I think about it, I think this "no hand signal + command" might be harder than I thought - I'm gonna have to practice keeping my hands still!

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I'm assuming slip leads would fall into that. Yikes! I need to be careful with my slip leads. Jax doesn't do agility (we took a class for fun, but haven't competed), but I'd like to get into it with Future Puppy.

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So for obedience novice - I know I can't be praising him throughout the exercise like you can in rally. But what is considered praise? Obviously verbal or physical praise is a no go. But can I smile at him or nod my head, or would that be considered praise?

Now that I think about it, I think this "no hand signal + command" might be harder than I thought - I'm gonna have to practice keeping my hands still!

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Smiling at him is fine. Nodding your head... well, I'm sure a lot of us do it without thinking about it, but if it gets super obvious, the judge might interpret it as an additional command, and you'll lose points.

These are a some blog posts about silence, and how it is taught to me "yes, you're right, keep doing that".
https://denisefenzi.com/2017/12/the-sound-of-silence/
https://denisefenzi.com/2014/03/silence-is-good/

In the second one, Silence is... Good!, the link for the first video is broken, but if you highlight and right click it, you can see it on YouTube.


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Smiling at him is fine. Nodding your head... well, I'm sure a lot of us do it without thinking about it, but if it gets super obvious, the judge might interpret it as an additional command, and you'll lose points.



These are a some blog posts about silence, and how it is taught to me "yes, you're right, keep doing that".

https://denisefenzi.com/2017/12/the-sound-of-silence/

https://denisefenzi.com/2014/03/silence-is-good/



In the second one, Silence is... Good!, the link for the first video is broken, but if you highlight and right click it, you can see it on YouTube.
This is very helpful! Thank you!!

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I did some reading in the rulebooks regarding allowed collars/leashes - I'll paste them here for anyone else interested! Definitely bringing him in a flat collar with a 6 foot leash from now on

Obedience:
"Section 16. Use of Leash. All dogs must be kept on a leash except when in the obedience ring, warm-up ring or exercise area and must be brought into and taken out of the ring on leash.

Leashes must be clipped to the collar when dogs are brought in for classes requiring an on-leash exercise, a group exercise and awards. In a class where a leash is not required for the performance of the individual exercises, the dog may be brought into and taken out of the ring on a leash that slips/attaches through the dog’s collar. The leash must be made of fabric or leather and need only be long enough to provide adequate slack during the Heel on Leash exercise, unless stated otherwise in these regulations. The Novice Group Exercise – Sit and Down Stay, and the Beginner Novice Sit for Exam must be performed with the dog on a 6-foot leash.

Section 17. Collars. All dogs in the obedience ring must wear a properly fitted collar approved by the judge. No dog may enter the ring, either for judging or for awards, with unacceptable equipment. No special training collars, such as electronic collars or prong collars, will be permitted. Nothing may be hanging from the dog’s collar."

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"Section 14. Use of Leash. All dogs must be kept on a leash except when in the rally ring, warm-up ring or exercise area and must be brought into and taken out of the ring on leash. Dogs must be kept on leash in the ring when brought in to receive awards. Except where otherwise specified in these Regulations, the handler will leave the dog’s leash on the judge’s table or other designated place. The leash must be made of fabric or leather and need only be long enough to provide adequate slack, unless stated otherwise in these Regulations.

Section 15. Collars. All dogs in the rally ring must wear a properly fitted collar approved by the judge. No special training collars, such as electronic collars or prong collars will be permitted. Nothing may be hanging from the dog’s collar."

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