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Fenzi Dog Training?

Is anyone here familial with Fenzi online dog training?

I got Willie at 10 months (he was returned to his breeder due to an injury suffered by his first owner). When I got him, he was only housetrained. Zero commands, didn't even know the call name his previous owner had given him. So we immediately began to work on basic house manners and commands. He has also gone through a couple of basic training classes locally.

He was sold as a show dog, and I am obligated to finish him, which is fine. So we have also been working on his conformation skills. And we run FCAT for fun.

I would really like to work on titleing him in obedience and agility, but the training clubs closest to me have only been so-so (IMO) in basic training. Also most classes they offer for Foundation agility and competitive obedience are during the day, and I work full time, so that isn't an option.

I found Fenzi on line and it looks like they have some very good classes, and I really like the fact they provide a syllabus before you buy. However, I would feel better about taking one of their classes, if I could hear from anyone who had give them a try.

Since I am showing Willie right now, I thought I would try one of their conformation self study classes and then if that was good try some others.

So my question are:
1. Have you taken any of the on-line classes, workshops, etc?
2. What did you think of it? e.g. worth the money? new/valuable info/insights?
3. How effective was it not being in the presence of an instructor to tell you what you were doing right/wrong or offering alternatives that might work better for your dog?
4. Was the training effective in a non-class atmosphere? I like that there are lots of distractions in classes with other dogs around, so he has to learn to pay attentention and perform amid the distractions. Not to mention good socializing.

Would love to hear any opinions or alternative recommendations.

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Is anyone here familial with Fenzi online dog training?

So my question are:
1. Have you taken any of the on-line classes, workshops, etc?

Yes, I have taken over thirty classes, workshops, and webinars.

2. What did you think of it? e.g. worth the money? new/valuable info/insights?

More than worth the money. I've only taken classes at the Bronze level, but have done the working level in a couple of workshops. Between the top notch instructors in a variety of sports and the Facebook student groups (several of which now have Teaching Assistants), it's a bargain.

3. How effective was it not being in the presence of an instructor to tell you what you were doing right/wrong or offering alternatives that might work better for your dog?

If you do a class at the Gold level, you get one-on-one feedback from the the instructor of videos you submit in your homework thread. Because the instructor can spend the time to watch the videos over again, and in slow motion, they can see little nuances that might be missed in an in-person group class. All the instructors are willing to try more than one approach to something that you are struggling with.

At the Silver level in most classes, you can ask all the general questions you want, and submit two homework videos with specific "my dog" questions for the instructor to help you with.

At the Bronze level, you can't ask questions in the class forums, but this is where the student Facebook groups come into play. If the class has a TA, you can create your own homework thread, and treat it like a Gold level forum thread, with feedback from the TA and fellow students.

Since you can do your homework on your time, there are no big "OMG, we're going to be late for class" worries.

My girls and I dabble in nosework, and the closest class is roughly 90 miles away. There is no way I can do them. All our nosework training has been through FDSA.


4. Was the training effective in a non-class atmosphere? I like that there are lots of distractions in classes with other dogs around, so he has to learn to pay attentention and perform amid the distractions. Not to mention good socializing.

The training is very effective, IMO. If your dog is too busy rubbernecking in an in-person class to settle down an pay attention to you and what you are trying to train, then the class isn't working as well as it could. Also, some dogs simply aren't suited to in-person classes for whatever reason.

Would love to hear any opinions or alternative recommendations.

Thanks!
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If you want to give FDSA a try, but aren't sure if it's right for you, I suggest you try a working spot in a workshop. Since you are doing conformation, and want to give obedience a try, the WW152: Confident Exams https://www.fenzidogsportsacademy.co.../courses/26135 would probably be a good one to start with.

Otherwise, enrollment for the regular six-week-long classes runs through February 15th, and the OB115: TEAM Sports Foundations- Level One https://www.fenzidogsportsacademy.co.../courses/12706 would be a good choice. The Gold level is sold out, but there are still some Silver spots available, and Bronze Level is always unlimited. There is a really good Facebook group for the TEAM one class,
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I've taken the Fenzi nosework classes, at Bronze, and found them fun, effective and easy to follow. Same with 3-4 others I did. I live outside the US in a country with little or no training clubs, so for me it was perfect. Highly recommend!
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So my question are:
1. Have you taken any of the on-line classes, workshops, etc?
Yes! I've taken some online classes and webinars.

2. What did you think of it? e.g. worth the money? new/valuable info/insights?
I really like all the classes I've taken. I've only taken them at Bronze level though, so I can't comment on how helpful the Silver or Gold level spots might be.

I prefer to take them at Bronze because then I don't have the added pressure of making videos or trying to keep up with the course in real time. Participation is low-pressure (no one harasses you for not "turning in homework" or anything), but I'm working on my PhD plus I take training classes in real life, too, and I'm competing with my Rattie in obedience...so, realistically, I can't jam any more deadlines into my schedule than I already have.

I also like the self-study classes quite a bit. I used the precision heeling self-study class to train heeling with my Rattie - and he has pretty heeling thanks to it! So, it can work. I will say I think its likely that how much success you do or don't have with the Bronze level and self-study classes probably depends on your previous experience with training and how comfortable you are with what you're doing / trying to accomplish. If I want to train something that I think is going to be super challenging for me, then I sign up for an in-person class or schedule privates.


3. How effective was it not being in the presence of an instructor to tell you what you were doing right/wrong or offering alternatives that might work better for your dog?
See the last part of my answer above. I think it depends on how experienced of a trainer you are and what you're trying to accomplish. Some people will probably benefit much more from the feedback of Gold level classes than others. So, everyone's mileage will probably vary.

4. Was the training effective in a non-class atmosphere? I like that there are lots of distractions in classes with other dogs around, so he has to learn to pay attentention and perform amid the distractions. Not to mention good socializing.
I've found it to be super effective because I work on training away from home, too. I go to parks on busy days and train, I train right outside of dog parks for the crazy dog distractions. We go to hardware and auto stores to train in strange environments. I think, like any training to some extent, you get out of it what you put in.


Would love to hear any opinions or alternative recommendations.

Thanks!
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I would say pick a class you think sounds fun or relatively easy and give it a whirl! It certainly can't hurt anything.
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Thank you all. I knew I could rely on the folks here for some honest feedback. I also asked some other folks I know in the non-doberman dog world, and they also highly recommended it. I think we will give it a whirl and see how Willie and I do.

I will keep you all posted.

BTW, I found a bunch of her videos on her YouTube channel, and already had sucess with Willie using one of them. There are a bunch on there, so if any of you have some things you want to work on with your dogs, here is a link to her YT channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/dfenzi/videos

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I always always recommend them for folks who don't have access to in-person training, particularly those outside the US.
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I always always recommend them for folks who don't have access to in-person training, particularly those outside the US.
faln - Would you consider Indiana out of the U.S. ?
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faln - Would you consider Indiana out of the U.S. ?
No, but I did say it's ideal for folks who can't access in-person training.
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I know lots of people that love Fenzi classes. I think they have great instructors, and they do a very good job. I've taken one class at Bronze level.

My personal feedback is that I just am not good at being accountable for training if it's online, and that's just ME, as a person. If I didn't have good trainers locally, I would probably be better at it, since it would be my only option, but I, PERSONALLY, need to go to class weekly, and I need someone to be giving me feedback in person. I really liked the class I took, and I got stuff out of it, but I just didn't do a good job of really practicing and "doing" things every week the way that I do when I'm in an "in person" class. I think I'm just not great at online learning that way. I still thought it was worth it, for sure, but...it wouldn't be my primary tool if I had other options. Again, that's because of my personal learning style.


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Question : So for you that take the on=line course - like in Rally OB - Where do you get your signs from ? I looked at one site - believe it was called One stop shop for rally ??? But it says on it 2017 .

Some of you sold me - Think I will try the bronze Rally and see how it goes - since we live in the boon docks
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Question : So for you that take the on=line course - like in Rally OB - Where do you get your signs from ? I looked at one site - believe it was called One stop shop for rally ??? But it says on it 2017 .

Some of you sold me - Think I will try the bronze Rally and see how it goes - since we live in the boon docks
The last time new signs were added to AKC rally was 2017, so those should be up-to-date.

While you can purchase the signs ready-made, you can also download them for free off the website, and either print them out yourself (I use regular printer paper, and keep them in sheet protectors)*, or take them to a print shop to be printed out on heavier stock and/or laminated. This is the link to the AKC signs. http://cdn.akc.org/Rally/2017_AKC_Ra...-16-17_web.pdf


This is the complete AKC Rally Rulebook. http://images.akc.org/pdf/AKC1193_ROR001_1217_WEB.pdf

If you just want the list of signs with descriptions from the rulebook, this is the link. http://cdn.akc.org/Rally/2017-rev-ra...ons-1-2018.pdf

*I have the signs for roughly half a dozen organizations printed out, and at least that many more on the computer. It's interesting to see the differences between organizations.
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That's my concern too, Meadowcat. I think I am going to try one of the self study classes first they are $50. Hopefully it will be worth it and Willie and I get something out of it.

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That's my concern too, Meadowcat. I think I am going to try one of the self study classes first they are $50. Hopefully it will be worth it and Willie and I get something out of it.

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I don't think you'd regret trying a class at Bronze. Like I said, I did find it valuable, just not my preferred learning style. I didn't regret taking it, and if I saw another that was something I couldn't do elsewhere, I'd do another.

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That's my concern too, Meadowcat. I think I am going to try one of the self study classes first they are $50. Hopefully it will be worth it and Willie and I get something out of it.

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Which one are you going to try? As an FYI, the self study student Facebook groups will probably be pretty quiet, because it's been a while since any of the classes have run live. However, once you have a student account, you are eligible to join the main FDSA Alumni Group, which is full of helpful people (far more valuable than the $50 you will spend on the class, IMO). Just make sure you answer the questions, since enrollment is verified before you are added.
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I just signed up for a Bronze class.....in Intro to Nosework!

Boy am I glad that I did........so far I am able to just view and read everything that is going on, although I am easily able to follow along and learn through the gold and silver members mistakes.
Next class I will go for the gold though ...I agree .....more interaction with the instructor will make me more accountable and allow me to discuss my individual concerns with me and my dog.
But I do find some of the questions presented by the gold members can be similar...and as I view their homework videos I can easily apply to what I am dealing with at home.
Either way I am glad I started with online classes.
I still go to nosework at my local school.....BUT...........they were not teaching some of the things I am picking up on through Fenzi........!!
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I cannot believe that Rosemary has never mentioned these classes to me !!!! Just kidding she Rosemary ....has always encouraged these classes.....I guess I am a slow learner !!!!! Ba ha ha!!!

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I am going to try the conformation 1 and then the engagement class. Willie has started showing, and I have not gotten much out of the local conformation classes near me. I have agreed with his breeder to finish him, and I know NOTHING about conformation. Or how to train Willie to show his best.
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LadyDi, make sure you ask to join the NW101 group, and don't forget to send a screenshot of you current courses page showing both your name and the class to one of the admins. https://www.facebook.com/groups/823500474379547/ The TA for NW101 this session is absolutely fantastic (has recently been approved as an AKC Scent Work Judge), and I've been known to follow her from class to class.
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I am going to try the conformation 1 and then the engagement class. Willie has started showing, and I have not gotten much out of the local conformation classes near me. I have agreed with his breeder to finish him, and I know NOTHING about conformation. Or how to train Willie to show his best.
Ask your breeder to connect you with some local folks to help you out! Do you have a chapter club near you? It would be to your benefit to get connected to the active local conformation people.
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I have taken two Scent Work classes through Scent Work University and have enjoyed them. Again, like Ken, there are no classes here so it's the next best thing. Sounds like the set up is the same as Fenzi, having three different levels you can choose from. Our boy, Rascal has gained so much more confidence doing this!!! I have been so happy for him. The owner/instructor does her instructional videos with her dog, who is a DOBERMAN! It is so fun watching him. Kinda like our girl Zuri used to be.....we always said she was like a bull in a china cabinet)))
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I have taken two Scent Work classes through Scent Work University and have enjoyed them. Again, like Ken, there are no classes here so it's the next best thing. Sounds like the set up is the same as Fenzi, having three different levels you can choose from. Our boy, Rascal has gained so much more confidence doing this!!! I have been so happy for him. The owner/instructor does her instructional videos with her dog, who is a DOBERMAN! It is so fun watching him. Kinda like our girl Zuri used to be.....we always said she was like a bull in a china cabinet)))
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LadyDi, make sure you ask to join the NW101 group, and don't forget to send a screenshot of you current courses page showing both your name and the class to one of the admins. https://www.facebook.com/groups/823500474379547/ The TA for NW101 this session is absolutely fantastic (has recently been approved as an AKC Scent Work Judge), and I've been known to follow her from class to class.

OK, I just sent my screen shot of enrollment so will se what happens.
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Ask your breeder to connect you with some local folks to help you out! Do you have a chapter club near you? It would be to your benefit to get connected to the active local conformation people.
Thanks, MeadowCat.

My breeder is up on Staten Island, and I am down in MD. The closest breed club is up in Baltimore, and they meet once a month-ish from what I understand. I have reached out to them, and on of the folks here in DT who is a member and hope to go to the March meeting.

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