Analyze a Nose Work Trial Video - Page 2 - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums
 12Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #26 of 31 (permalink) Old 06-24-2019, 09:39 AM
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12,991
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Leo (GSD); Lily (APBT)
Titles: They do, and are working on more
Dogs Age: Leo 7; Lily 5; Ilka 2009-2017; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 38,576
Thanked 30,653 Times in 10,235 Posts
                     
I'm going to wait and see what other people think before I answer, LadyDi.
LadyDi likes this.


~~~The Current Hellhounds~~~
Lily Dale- A Melody Unchained ETD PKD-T PKD-N ADP-L5/CH ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr) GPS-NST
CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria ETD D-CRO-Preliminary PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L5/CH S-ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr) GPS-NST
~~~Requiescat In Pace~~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~
“Dance as if no one who is qualified to commit you is watching!” Julie Flanery, Founder of Rally FrEe
Rosemary is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Rosemary For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (06-24-2019), melbrod (06-24-2019)
Advertisement
 
post #27 of 31 (permalink) Old 06-25-2019, 01:05 PM
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12,991
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Leo (GSD); Lily (APBT)
Titles: They do, and are working on more
Dogs Age: Leo 7; Lily 5; Ilka 2009-2017; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 38,576
Thanked 30,653 Times in 10,235 Posts
                     
Oh, wow, there was a live video of Penny Scott-Fox (one of the AKC contractors) and her NSDTR Blaze running a Detective Class search on the Friends of AKC Scent Work yesterday. It was aMAZing. Huge search area, indoors and out, and I swear, the final hide was in the ceiling, a good ten or more feet up. If my dogs and I ever reach 1/100th of being this good, I'll be thrilled.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/AKCS...3188204251611/


~~~The Current Hellhounds~~~
Lily Dale- A Melody Unchained ETD PKD-T PKD-N ADP-L5/CH ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr) GPS-NST
CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria ETD D-CRO-Preliminary PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L5/CH S-ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr) GPS-NST
~~~Requiescat In Pace~~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~
“Dance as if no one who is qualified to commit you is watching!” Julie Flanery, Founder of Rally FrEe

Last edited by Rosemary; 06-25-2019 at 01:11 PM.
Rosemary is offline  
post #28 of 31 (permalink) Old 06-25-2019, 05:07 PM Thread Starter
Always Grateful
 
triciakoontz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 6,924
Location: Durham, NC
Dogs Name: Mercury's Prince of the Universe (Boon)
Titles: CFFII,NW1, NW2, NWE1, CFFIII, CFFIV
Dogs Age: 12/29/12
Gallery Pics: 22
Visit triciakoontz's Gallery
Thanks: 8,967
Thanked 12,566 Times in 4,128 Posts
Images: 22
                     
1. Rosemary does beautiful handling and allows Lily to work at the start line. Lily stares straight back, she is clearly working odor at the start line. She looks up at Rosemary as a check in when released, then makes an almost straight line back to source. I would guess her very brief head check at non source items is some pooling odor from the wind but she clearly knows that and does not stop on her bee line to source. She keeps her nose at source until the marker word YES, which ends the behavior and only then does she turn to Rosemary. Rosemary feeds for position at source. Beautiful! As perfect as it gets.
ECIN and LadyDi like this.


Always Playin’!
triciakoontz is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to triciakoontz For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (06-25-2019)
Advertisement
 
post #29 of 31 (permalink) Old 06-25-2019, 07:37 PM
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12,991
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Leo (GSD); Lily (APBT)
Titles: They do, and are working on more
Dogs Age: Leo 7; Lily 5; Ilka 2009-2017; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 38,576
Thanked 30,653 Times in 10,235 Posts
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by triciakoontz View Post
1. Rosemary does beautiful handling and allows Lily to work at the start line. Lily stares straight back, she is clearly working odor at the start line. She looks up at Rosemary as a check in when released, then makes an almost straight line back to source. I would guess her very brief head check at non source items is some pooling odor from the wind but she clearly knows that and does not stop on her bee line to source. She keeps her nose at source until the marker word YES, which ends the behavior and only then does she turn to Rosemary. Rosemary feeds for position at source. Beautiful! As perfect as it gets.
Lily was on odor from the moment we walked out the door, thanks to the wind shifting. She wanted to head straight for it, which is why I was having to convince her to go to the start line. She briefly checks a few containers on the way out, because of the way the wind has been shifting, there are traces of odor everywhere. At 0:22, she shoves her nose into the container with the scent vessel. She freezes momentarily, and her ears pop up, which is a pretty sure sign that she is at source. I mark, and move in to reward her. Once I've marked the find, I don't particularly concern myself if she's come off the hide after the mark, but I do reward as close to source as possible. I'm also seeing if just giving her the "all done" cue (or "find another" if doing a multiple hide search) without touching her collar to remove her is the better option (it looks like it might be).

Leo is.... well, Leo. What can I say? She's fluffy.... She has the wind at her back coming to the start line. She gets distracted by something at 0:12 (the only surprise about that is that it was the only time during three searches). I somewhat miraculously managed to not call her back, but wait and see what she did. By 0:19, she has come back on her own, and is working again without any further cue, and I manage to get out of her way and let her search. She catches the scent where it has caught on the black bag, and knows it's close. At 0:24, she sticks her nose into the hot container, much like Lily did. Since this was a confidence building search, I didn't wait for her usual final indication on containers, which is a down, but instead mark the find and reward her. If this had been a blind search, I probably would have waited for the down.


~~~The Current Hellhounds~~~
Lily Dale- A Melody Unchained ETD PKD-T PKD-N ADP-L5/CH ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr) GPS-NST
CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria ETD D-CRO-Preliminary PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L5/CH S-ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr) GPS-NST
~~~Requiescat In Pace~~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~
“Dance as if no one who is qualified to commit you is watching!” Julie Flanery, Founder of Rally FrEe
Rosemary is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Rosemary For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (06-26-2019)
post #30 of 31 (permalink) Old 06-25-2019, 08:27 PM Thread Starter
Always Grateful
 
triciakoontz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 6,924
Location: Durham, NC
Dogs Name: Mercury's Prince of the Universe (Boon)
Titles: CFFII,NW1, NW2, NWE1, CFFIII, CFFIV
Dogs Age: 12/29/12
Gallery Pics: 22
Visit triciakoontz's Gallery
Thanks: 8,967
Thanked 12,566 Times in 4,128 Posts
Images: 22
                     
After a correct behavior is marked, in this case, nose at source, it doesn’t matter at all that she stops the behavior. I think of it like this: You are looking for your friend’s missing keys. You find them under a u,low on the couch and hold them up. Your friend says, “YES! THANK YOU!” You don’t keep looking for keys. When behavior is marked in any training, that ends the behavior. This was such a pretty search!

And I loved seeing Leo come right back to the search and nail it! It’s always so interesting to search off leash. Thanks for posting these.


Always Playin’!
triciakoontz is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to triciakoontz For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (06-26-2019)
post #31 of 31 (permalink) Old 06-29-2019, 02:56 PM Thread Starter
Always Grateful
 
triciakoontz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 6,924
Location: Durham, NC
Dogs Name: Mercury's Prince of the Universe (Boon)
Titles: CFFII,NW1, NW2, NWE1, CFFIII, CFFIV
Dogs Age: 12/29/12
Gallery Pics: 22
Visit triciakoontz's Gallery
Thanks: 8,967
Thanked 12,566 Times in 4,128 Posts
Images: 22
                     
Extremely windy day. Tons of people and activities at an outdoor wedding right next to us. You can see that the watchdog is at work as well as the nosework dog. This is common for Boon, and a lot of Dobermans I’ve watched. They don’t go off duty just because they are at a trial.

We’ve had a lot of trouble since the beginning of nosework blowing by threshold hides and then I have to make sure we get back and cover threshold. That’s very inefficient in giant search areas. I’ve been setting up threshold exercises I learned at a seminar where working teams got advice on the team’s most challenging problem.

In this search, Boon still blew past the threshold hide, but he noted it, did not charge out of that area to the bigger search area, and came back to the threshold hide WITHOUT me prompting him. His old pattern was to blow into the search at high speed right past threshold hides and keep charging forward.

I’m also working on NO FEET on ground level inaccessible hides, so you see me feeding super fast. This is really paying off reducing Boon’s tendency, for some reason, to switch from nose target to paw activity at ground level hides.

Critique/comments welcome on any of my videos.

LadyDi likes this.


Always Playin’!
triciakoontz is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to triciakoontz For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (06-29-2019)
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome