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Nosework Trial video thread

This is a thread for those that want to share Nosework trial videos to discuss/analyze.

This is a video of Sypha's NW2 exteriors search - one hide. It's a fairly large space. Cold day, we'd had rain, quite a lot of wind - you can hear it on the video. Very damp. Lots of leaves on the ground. Sypha tends to blast into her search area and often goes all the way into the back of it (no quick threshold finds for her!)....it's just who she is. You can see a garbage can all the way to the left side of the screen - it's out of bounds, but there are scents coming from it - it was distracting for many dogs. Lots of competitors were really convinced that the hide MUST be on a picnic table - people were doing a lot of directed searching on the tables.

You can see Sypha actually find the hide at about 33 seconds into the video, but her behavior change is SO subtle and her alert is not clear at all. She goes back at the end, and she does stop and look at me. I didn't call it, so she then goes back and REALLY makes it clear where the hide is (bottom of the upside down garbage can). I generally don't like to "ask" my dogs to "show" me the hide again and again, but Sypha is often really really subtle in her alerts, so it's actually not a bad thing for her to "show" a hide more than once when it's not terribly clear the first time. Early on, she occasionally would be satisfied that she found it and just walk away, without "telling" me clearly. So this is actually really great for her!

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good job in getting her back to the threshold. Dax also blows through thresholds. Something I learned in a workshop is to hold the leash short and do a slow turn around at the threshold, then I let the leash out and continue with the search. I am having good luck with this technique
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good job in getting her back to the threshold. Dax also blows through thresholds. Something I learned in a workshop is to hold the leash short and do a slow turn around at the threshold, then I let the leash out and continue with the search. I am having good luck with this technique
Good tip!

It's not a huge priority for me for her to necessarily find things in a certain order or for her to be the fastest, as long as she's fast enough (and she is), and she's definitely thorough...she just likes to search her way

We're doing a workshop with Nancy Reyes in August that I'm looking forward to on handling techniques.


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This is not a new video, but it is one of my favorites. Brandy was known as the "Container Queen" in class and I think this demonstrates it well. I just love how she works the problem. This was for her NW2 title. As you can see, they still used luggage back then!





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You somehow stuck an extra letter in the code you posted.

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She looks good!
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This is not a new video, but it is one of my favorites. Brandy was known as the "Container Queen" in class and I think this demonstrates it well. I just love how she works the problem. This was for her NW2 title. As you can see, they still used luggage back then!





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervwFEDjCIs

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That was a lovely search! Containers can be so difficult for some of us


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These are too much fun....you can all stop me if I share too many, I guess!

This search was VERY challenging. This was also Sypha's NW2 trial. The second interior search of the day. Pretty small room at kind of an "old-timey" fairgrounds. Again, lots of rain earlier, chilly. Unheated. This building had a long hallway that you entered in that was part of the search area and the door got closed behind us when we entered. You'll see we're off camera for a bit and I call an alert during that time - there's a hide behind the door in that "hallway" area - you can imagine the odor got moved quite a bit with the door opening and closing constantly, and the hallway was quite narrow. The main part of the room was a "post office". Sypha found the first hide pretty fast, on the underside of the chair. It takes her a VERY long time to nail down the other hide - it's inaccessible, in that small little post office box on the floor. I think the odor was pooling quite a bit, as you can see her sniffing the rug on the floor for a while. I was SO proud of her for getting all three in this small room, and as a fairly young dog.

This was a tough search.

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Here are two videos from Richter's NW2 trial. This trial was NUTS, in that we were delayed in the start time for HOURS because of a crazy storm that rolled in just after the judges briefing. Thunder, lightning, hail....we all had to hunker down in our cars as it rolled over the top of us. The parking lot almost flooded. Thank goodness Richter doesn't care one bit about storms! After that it cleared up and we rolled through the trial nice and quick, and he performed beautifully.


Containers: one hide, all the containers are backpacks. Clearly, I should have called alert so much quicker, LOL. I couldn't ask for clearer communication here. He ended up with third in containers.



And his vehicles search was also lovely - he knew exactly where he wanted to go and didn't really pause to check out any of the vehicles without odor. One hide. Really nice behavior change when he caught odor and a clear alert. He was first in vehicles that day.

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This was from Newtie's vehicle search from his first (and so far only) NW3 attempt. Fun thing about this search area was that it was not only inside for vehicles, but you could do it off leash if you wanted. We have some issues sticking to vehicles and have never practiced off leash vehicles so I decided to still with the leash. There were two hides; one on the plate of the red car and the wheel of the silver car. I think we managed it pretty well. (We had already received a no earlier that day, so it was not for a title).

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I love the find ! Newtie is to cool ! He just gives you THAT look - lol I afraid that Mr. B would just look at me and then raise hie leg and pee on it - lol

Good job team Newtie !

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This was from Newtie's vehicle search from his first (and so far only) NW3 attempt. Fun thing about this search area was that it was not only inside for vehicles, but you could do it off leash if you wanted. We have some issues sticking to vehicles and have never practiced off leash vehicles so I decided to still with the leash. There were two hides; one on the plate of the red car and the wheel of the silver car. I think we managed it pretty well. (We had already received a no earlier that day, so it was not for a title).

That's a really nice search - I don't think I'd do vehicles off leash either. I'm not sure when I'll feel ready for our first NW3...at some point I'll just have to start (trying) to enter, but it's such a big step up!
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Clearly, I should have called alert so much quicker, LOL

I counted 5 seconds from Richters first hit on the find ! MC !!! lol I may have to come up there and help Team Richter polish up on that

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That's a really nice search - I don't think I'd do vehicles off leash either. I'm not sure when I'll feel ready for our first NW3...at some point I'll just have to start (trying) to enter, but it's such a big step up!

at one of Amy Herot's workshops we had a 20+ vehicle outside search off leash. I never had Dax complete a vehicle search off leash yet alone outside. Most of the participates were like oh boy here we go. Every one of the dogs stayed at the vehicles and worked the hides. It was great to see this and participate.
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Meadow Cat, just enter a NW3 and get a feel for it, you can do this
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This search was VERY challenging. This was also Sypha's NW2 trial. The second interior search of the day. Pretty small room at kind of an "old-timey" fairgrounds. Again, lots of rain earlier, chilly. Unheated. This building had a long hallway that you entered in that was part of the search area and the door got closed behind us when we entered. You'll see we're off camera for a bit and I call an alert during that time - there's a hide behind the door in that "hallway" area - you can imagine the odor got moved quite a bit with the door opening and closing constantly, and the hallway was quite narrow. The main part of the room was a "post office". Sypha found the first hide pretty fast, on the underside of the chair. It takes her a VERY long time to nail down the other hide - it's inaccessible, in that small little post office box on the floor. I think the odor was pooling quite a bit, as you can see her sniffing the rug on the floor for a while. I was SO proud of her for getting all three in this small room, and as a fairly young dog.

This was a tough search.

At around 0:47, when she was in the area of the last one, she does quite a tail wag. I think she figured it was somewhere in there, just didn't tell you right away (or got distracted ).

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This is from Brandy's final trial, an L2C (level 2 container). It was an excellent way to retire from competition. Not only did we gain our title that day, but she placed 3rd out of 21 dogs. At 12.5 years old! There were two hides and two distractors for this one.

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This is from Brandy's final trial, an L2C (level 2 container). It was an excellent way to retire from competition. Not only did we gain our title that day, but she placed 3rd out of 21 dogs. At 12.5 years old! There were two hides and two distractors for this one.

You can tell she's excited to be out there working. I miss her so much!

Awww, I love this video. I especially love her find on the first box - she's like, um hello! It's here...IT'S HERE!!!! Hurry up!


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These are all so much fun to watch, thanks for sharing!



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Great video’s very interesting to witness them thinking.........love these video’s ......your have all earned bragging rights...keep the videos coming......
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Maybe 79 and Meadowcat should only post these up on weekends ! I not getting anything done watching them ! lol just kidding - keep them coming !

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I shared some of the good yesterday, here are two of the bad! They are both from Newtie's first NW3 attempt as well. Lots of learning!

This was the first search of the day. There were two hides and one distractor (a stuffed toy). One of the hides is in the second container on the row that we started at and the second box is in the other row, it's the 4th box in from the start line. The distractor is the second to the last box on that same row. You can see in the video that he notes the correct box, but does not stick with it. I'm not sure what happened but he hit the last box and I had to call alert. After the trial I found out that that box got many other dogs. I'm wondering if scent was collecting on it from the other row and then dog slobber got on it, so it was even more interesting. In any case our day was over before it began. I'm blaming Newtie on this one!



This one is all my fault! It's our third interior search of the day (after two really nice interior rooms). I was completely biased in thinking that they wouldn't put a blank room as the last search in an element (it was also the largest room out of the three we did that day). I was wrong and let Newtie hang out there for almost 2 minutes. UGH!!! At the end I could feel time ticking and panicked and called alert on something that wasn't even really an alert. You can almost see Newton go, really mom? This one was ugly, but you can better believe that I won't make that mistake again...hopefully!
I did find it interesting how Newtie started to move up when he wasn't finding anything.
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I shared some of the good yesterday, here are two of the bad! They are both from Newtie's first NW3 attempt as well. Lots of learning!

This was the first search of the day. There were two hides and one distractor (a stuffed toy). One of the hides is in the second container on the row that we started at and the second box is in the other row, it's the 4th box in from the start line. The distractor is the second to the last box on that same row. You can see in the video that he notes the correct box, but does not stick with it. I'm not sure what happened but he hit the last box and I had to call alert. After the trial I found out that that box got many other dogs. I'm wondering if scent was collecting on it from the other row and then dog slobber got on it, so it was even more interesting. In any case our day was over before it began. I'm blaming Newtie on this one!



This one is all my fault! It's our third interior search of the day (after two really nice interior rooms). I was completely biased in thinking that they wouldn't put a blank room as the last search in an element (it was also the largest room out of the three we did that day). I was wrong and let Newtie hang out there for almost 2 minutes. UGH!!! At the end I could feel time ticking and panicked and called alert on something that wasn't even really an alert. You can almost see Newton go, really mom? This one was ugly, but you can better believe that I won't make that mistake again...hopefully!
I did find it interesting how Newtie started to move up when he wasn't finding anything.
It's something I'm going to keep in mind in the future.

I totally would have called that same alert on the containers! I swear, containers can be so killer. Mine can both easily false alert on containers, especially if they think I might "want" an alert or a play behavior, or a "100 things to do with a box" type of thing....it's much worse when the containers are boxes!

The blank room wasn't as awful as you think, either...he really searched nice and thoroughly, and I think it's tough with those blank rooms...it's so easy to push them into an "alert" type of behavior. It's a tough balance of giving them enough time to search and start to show some type of behavior change without going too far, right?
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The blank room wasn't as awful as you think, either...he really searched nice and thoroughly, and I think it's tough with those blank rooms...it's so easy to push them into an "alert" type of behavior. It's a tough balance of giving them enough time to search and start to show some type of behavior change without going too far, right?
What gets me is he found scent in the other rooms fairly quickly. I'd say 30 seconds or under for the first hide. There wasn't any wind type of problems with this room and nothing that would scream that he'd have a hard time sourcing odor. It was completely my thinking that it couldn't be a blank room. Bad handler! He did search well and never gave up, so that's something.

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