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What class next???

Rizzo and I have taken a basic puppy class and a puppy star class together, it’s time to sign up for our next class and I’m struggling to decide which one to do. My options are Household 1 or Competitive OB 1....

Some background, puppy star and household 1 from what I understand are very similar, except puppy Star is for younger dogs and a little more basic, but they both teach the same things. I spoke with the registrar when signing up for the puppy class and normally household 1 is a prerequisite of comp 1 but she said she would waive that for me since I took the puppy star class.

So my question is do I take household 1 to give her a better foundation or jump into comp 1? Rizzo will be at least 8 months before these classes begin.
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It is a little hard to say because each dog school may have different ideas of what to teach when and how rigorous each class should be.

Are you planning on showing in obedience? Sometimes, a class for competition will focus on the itty-bitty details of getting the obedience stuff exactly right, which, unless you're showing, you may not need to be so particular about.

But if all they're doing in Household 1 is basic house manners, loose leash walking of a sort, teaching the dog at least what sit, down and stay mean but not expecting him to be totally steady at them, if it is basically designed for an adult dog who hasn't had much training or even none at all, you probably better off going with competitive obedience.


I'd ask your current teacher what is taught in each class specifically and what standards they will expect from your pup. Ask if the competitive class focuses hard on the specifics of competition or if is it just the next step up in firming up the basic commands your puppy has probably been introduced to. I'd ask her if your puppy seems mature enough to handle a class with the higher expectations a competitive obedience class is likely to have. She should have a good handle on how your puppy acts in class, and how he would measure up in terms of attention span, knowledge and maturity with other dogs, who are likely to be a little older than he is.

Just remember to keep it fun for him. If you're having to work hard to get his attention enough to learn a new skill, he may not be ready for a rigorous class.

On the other hand repeating lessons over and over with a dobe after he's got it is a sure way to have a bored and slow to work dog. I always get permission from the teacher (before the new set of classes start) to leave the room and let your dog chill or to work on another skill (if you can do that without being disruptive)...

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It is a little hard to say because each dog school may have different ideas of what to teach when and how rigorous each class should be.

Are you planning on showing in obedience? Sometimes, a class for competition will focus on the itty-bitty details of getting the obedience stuff exactly right, which, unless you're showing, you may not need to be so particular about.

But if all they're doing in Household 1 is basic house manners, loose leash walking of a sort, teaching the dog at least what sit, down and stay mean but not expecting him to be totally steady at them, if it is basically designed for an adult dog who hasn't had much training or even none at all, you probably better off going with competitive obedience.


I'd ask your current teacher what is taught in each class specifically and what standards they will expect from your pup. Ask if the competitive class focuses hard on the specifics of competition or if is it just the next step up in firming up the basic commands your puppy has probably been introduced to. I'd ask her if your puppy seems mature enough to handle a class with the higher expectations a competitive obedience class is likely to have. She should have a good handle on how your puppy acts in class, and how he would measure up in terms of attention span, knowledge and maturity with other dogs, who are likely to be a little older than he is.

Just remember to keep it fun for him. If you're having to work hard to get his attention enough to learn a new skill, he may not be ready for a rigorous class.

On the other hand repeating lessons over and over with a dobe after he's got it is a sure way to have a bored and slow to work dog. I always get permission from the teacher (before the new set of classes start) to leave the room and let your dog chill or to work on another skill (if you can do that without being disruptive)...

I do plan on showing in obedience and Rally (canít take a rally class bc you have to have fronts down first)

From my understand household 1 is exactly what you said....a class for basic house manners. Which the puppy star class was also but just with the understanding that younger pups donít have the same attention span. Rizzo knows basic house manners, although loose leash walking could be better, itís just been so hot to really work on this here.

I did talk to my last instructor about what to do next and they basically said household 1 because I donít have the prerequisite for comp 1, they also said household 1 hones in the skills learned in puppy star. However, the lady in charge of the registrar, told me that she would waive the prerequisite ( she taught the basic puppy classs we took).

My biggest dilemma is that Rizzo is really smart, and I donít want her to be bored taking household 1, but I also understand she is young and I donít want to put too much pressure on her because I want her to have fun and enjoy it. But I also donít want to teach her bad habits that she could lose points on either.....ahh Iím so confused!!!
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I think I'd listen to whichever instructor actually knows your pup and how you two work together, and is also familiar with what will be expected in each class.

It is better to learn things right the first way, but your instructor should be able to tell you how to shape each exercise so that she can go forward without having to relearn stuff. I know the instructor I have, who shows in lots of venues, continually tells us which habits might interfere with moving on, and which are just to be expected from a learning puppy.

If your pup doesn't have the attention span or patience she will need for a more rigorous class, you will end up continually jumping through hoops to get her attention, or correcting her to get the proper compliance, and she is likely to grow either stale or discouraged. And other people in the class may be missing out on things they need to learn because they are waiting for you to manage your puppy, whose only problem is just her maturity level. IMO.

If you're in the more basic class, you don't have to repeat the exact exercises over and over while the other dogs do.....you can ask your pup for more precision or better attention, or for tiny improvements in what she's doing. The class learns sit...she learns sit straight. Or take intermittent breaks so she's not having to focus on you doing some exercise she already knows all of the time she's in class, so long as you're not messing up the class for the other dogs.

But I'm not an expert here; I hope other folks will give you some input here.
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Thanks for all of your input but it looks like the decision was made for me....the comp 1 class just filled up so I guess weíll have to take the household 1 class.
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Good morning C-F -- I sent hours on end - Days - wondering what direction to go with Mr. Business - Then I - as you have done - was to ask here - and got lot's of great idea's !


Meadowcat loves Nose work and her awards for doing it proves it !

Rosemary - Wow ! Her dogs have so many awards - she may have to build on to her house to put them all !


I was really looking at Comp. OB - Then Aunt B ( Dobebug ) said I should look at Comp Rally - I you tubed Rally and really liked that - one reason that Bug brought up was you can talk to them threw the exercise - Being that I'm a Rookie ! Big time ! I thought that would work better not only for him - but me as well - we will grow together in this adventure - lol

The big problem for us is lack of close training facilities - About a hour or better for all of them around us - And class availability - I did find a class I can get us both in - but it starts Mid Oct - the problem being we farm and may not be done with harvest - If were close to done - then I will do it .

I work with Mr. B. a lot at home - You will get the fronts down with a little work at home : )

Best of luck - you getting ready to have tons of fun !

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Thanks for your reply! I think Iíll like Rally better too, seems more interactive with the dog and a little less strict (beginner here too ). Rally 1 isnít an option for us bc we donít have the prerequisite and they wonít waive it, said you need fronts before starting. Weíll probably move onto agility once she matures...which I said Iíd never do again after a bad experience in a beginners class with Athena, but Really think thatís going to be Rizzoís thing. In the end, it really doesnít matter as long as weíre both having fun, it doesnít hurt to take as many training classes as we can and see what fits and what doesnít. Fortunately we have several training facilities available, unfortunately they are all about an hour away too.
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Good morning C-F -- I sent hours on end - Days - wondering what direction to go with Mr. Business - Then I - as you have done - was to ask here - and got lot's of great idea's !


Meadowcat loves Nose work and her awards for doing it proves it !

Rosemary - Wow ! Her dogs have so many awards - she may have to build on to her house to put them all !


I was really looking at Comp. OB - Then Aunt B ( Dobebug ) said I should look at Comp Rally - I you tubed Rally and really liked that - one reason that Bug brought up was you can talk to them threw the exercise - Being that I'm a Rookie ! Big time ! I thought that would work better not only for him - but me as well - we will grow together in this adventure - lol

The big problem for us is lack of close training facilities - About a hour or better for all of them around us - And class availability - I did find a class I can get us both in - but it starts Mid Oct - the problem being we farm and may not be done with harvest - If were close to done - then I will do it .

I work with Mr. B. a lot at home - You will get the fronts down with a little work at home : )

Best of luck - you getting ready to have tons of fun !

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Doc..Doc Doc.....Oh you have plenty of time with all those jobs that you have been quitting lately......here's what you do.....go online..youtube.....find a tutorial that is a good fit for you and Mr. B...........then practice practice ..practice....at home.... several times daily..for just a few minutes.
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Doc..Doc Doc.....Oh you have plenty of time with all those jobs that you have been quitting lately......here's what you do.....go online..youtube.....find a tutorial that is a good fit for you and Mr. B...........then practice practice ..practice....at home.... several times daily..for just a few minutes.
Di - I have thought about doing that ( Online ) Rosemary and brought this up to me a couple of times - But here's my problem with online and us - The biggest problem is that I really want to get Mr. B use to the other dogs in the arena - This has always been the problem - getting him use to the other dogs - I take him to the pet shops - Rural King - Tractor Supply - you name it and there is never any dogs there when we are there ! Maybe the Others had heard that Mr. Business was going to be there


I had a GREAT talk with Patty at Anderson OB Club on what our goals were - training for rally - she was a book of knowledge ! As been in the business a long time - I told her , one of my goals was to show him at the Indy Dog Show for a leg in Rally - Reason - Cindy ( Who we Got Mr. B. From )is always there showing and I wanted her to see him + Hopefully Do very good at it . Patty said that is one big show and first timers may have a problem dealing with all the distractions - We could fall into this part - We really need to hit a smaller show before jumping into the fire - so to speak - It would be bad if I failed in from of everybody at a show : ) I would have failed him for not being ready to go . The problem with a smaller show is our class will not be over till sometime in Nov and that don't leave a lot of time before Indy to be ready .


I guess - one day - We will need to move closer to a training center

The bug has bit hard - lol

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I understand that need to be around other dogs....same deal with Hoss....thatís why I take those cheap classes the through the city....just to put Hoss around a lot of other dogs.....but you are out in bum-yuck-strategic........so no classes close.....do you have someone that you know that has a dog in need of the same exposure to other dogs? Someone you could co ordinate play dates with ?

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