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post #26 of 29 (permalink) Old 01-01-2009, 01:19 AM
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I trained my Doberman for years in Obedience and I do mean for years - I made more mistakes and he blew more trials than you could count. I always said he was the proverbial football player forced to take English grammar classes. Whatever, I finally decided something had to change if he was ever going to get his obedience degrees and one of the many things I did for a change was start him in Schutzhund.

It was much more fun for him and he had a chance to run, bark, jump, track and bite the sleeve. He relaxed, I relaxed and it took some of the edge off of going into the obedience ring. He knew the difference between the two and I knew he knew - it wasn't a problem working both at the same time.

My opinion is Schutzhund is more about the partnership between a dog and an owner. It might be a little harder if you have been in Obedience and have been used to being the total boss there. In Schutzhund and in tracking, you have to be able to let the dog take the lead occasionally and trust his judgment. I had to really learn that and as a result, my dog and I went to a whole new level of working together.

I have to say I'm not sure I would start a new puppy out in both at the same time. My Dobe was about 5 years old when I did this.
I totally agree. My little girl taught me that lesson about trusting her instinct this weekend. We train in SchH and were out tracking. The ground was hard and I had lost sight of where I had laid my track (stupid handler error). To make things worse I kept trying to guide her to go the wrong way. She kept going back to the right spot. I let her and she was right! I was wrong.
SchH is about the partnership between you and your dog. I would start in schH first then branch out to other things later if you so choose. SchH is also about correctness and control.
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akc and schutzhund training

Well this is just my opinion of course and some insight Ive gotten from some trainers that have also trained for over 30 years.
I train both, I start my young dogs or beginner dogs in AKC obedience, the reason for this is it is much more tight and rigid than the schutzhund and gets them used to the training that will follow with schutzhund, I know many trainers who wont begin working on the schtuzhund title until they put a cdx or obedience title on their dog from AKC first. This allows you to prepare the dog and prove its skill in training for the rigors of schutzhund. I have title GSDs in the past and am working both a GSD and Dobe now. I am putting an AKC title on them first but am also introducing them to both tracking and protection work in the beginning stages. This is intended to prepare them for Schutzhund.

again I must say this is just my opinion and information from a few trainers I know that have trained for over 30 years in both schutzhund and AKC, and the one i am referring to is even an AKC judge as well as VP of our local Schutzhund club.

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You're close. Craig's 10 yr. old is Kes. I have a littermate to Kes, of whom, I am still running in agility. Not at quite the same level as Kes though! She's an amazing dog!
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Well this is just my opinion of course and some insight Ive gotten from some trainers that have also trained for over 30 years.
I train both, I start my young dogs or beginner dogs in AKC obedience, the reason for this is it is much more tight and rigid than the schutzhund and gets them used to the training that will follow with schutzhund, I know many trainers who wont begin working on the schtuzhund title until they put a cdx or obedience title on their dog from AKC first. This allows you to prepare the dog and prove its skill in training for the rigors of schutzhund. I have title GSDs in the past and am working both a GSD and Dobe now. I am putting an AKC title on them first but am also introducing them to both tracking and protection work in the beginning stages. This is intended to prepare them for Schutzhund.

again I must say this is just my opinion and information from a few trainers I know that have trained for over 30 years in both schutzhund and AKC, and the one i am referring to is even an AKC judge as well as VP of our local Schutzhund club.

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What level of success have these trainers had with this approach (first training in AKC OB then "switching over to Sch"), at the National or International level?
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