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Hello everyone! I don't have a Doberman right now -very soon though-, but I have a female Viszla, and we used to train SAR in an actual rescue group which is part of the International Rescue Organization (IRO)-FCI and certificate our dogs through very tough competitions that includes obedience and dexterity and searches of 1, 2 or 3 fake victims depending on the level (similar to IGP 1, 2 or 3), we tried twice, unfortunately, didn't make it. Once because Sirah (my bitch) didn't mark the second victim and the second time because I failed in directing her the right way. It was frustrating because we were really well prepared. In obedience we did it good enough to pas both times.

Anyways, we moved to another state in Mexico and I can't find a place to train scent work other than IGP tracking (I've already talk to some trainers to explore that possibility), how ever they don't train tracking often. The point is I am sooooo bored!! I've never stoped training Sirah and we are working to get an online obedience title, but I need something else, and I bet Sirah does too.

Yesterday I remembered this thread and I've decided to try scent work, obviously, I am not looking for a title, because in Mexico there is no scent work competitions or schools, however, I think I will be able to train Sirah if I go step by step and I want to train as if we were to compete.

So first thing first, I've seen there are 2 or 3 organizations there in North America that have SW competitions and the main differences are the specific odors? I would like to know if there is another difference on difficulty of training or some bigger differences, similarity to real situations may be. I thought on use AKC rules to train because is the more known organization and who knows, maybe at some point we could compete in a trial there.

About the collar or harnes, I want to use a collar, because the equipment the dog wears is going to be an indication for her to differetiate one work from the other (SAR from SW). Is there an speciffic type of collar for SW or any that you prefere to use? I search in the AKC regulations and it says specificities for harness, but not for collars and NACSW is not very specific neither.

Other thing is that I understand that here is no specific way of marking, however I'm thinking in using a sitting or standing position to mark and avoid misinterpretations. For SAR she marks barking, but I will keep the bark for humans in case we train SAR again. Have you seen dogs in competitions with a trained behaviour for marking the odor sources, is that correct in SW?

I'm still in the process of reading more about the sport and reading this thread is really helpful, so I hope I can find more information here and you can help me with my little experiment out here.

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I would recommend the Fenzi Dog Sports Academy classes. They are online, and the next session starts October 1st. This is their beginner class. https://www.fenzidogsportsacademy.co.../courses/14305

There are several organizations in the US that offer nosework titles. As far as odors go, sweet birch, anise, clove, vetiver, myrrh, and cypress are the odors used. The first three are used by pretty much all of them. Vetiver and myrrh are UKC odors, and cypress is used by AKC and C-WAGS.


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Now that I'm back on the computer, these are the scent work organizations that I know of in the US and Canada.

American Kennel Club – essential oils and handler discrimination
Barn Hunt Association – rats (gerbils in some areas)
Canadian Kennel Club (Canada) – essential oils
Canine Performance Events – essential oils
Canine Works and Games – essential oils
Happy Ratters- rats
K9 ABC Games – essential oils
National Association Of Canine Scent Work – essential oils
North American Sport Dog Association – prepared/commercial rat or wildlife scent
Performance Scent Dogs – essential oils
RATS! Canada (Canada) - rats
Sporting Detection Dogs Association (Canada) – essential oils
United Kennel Club – essential oils and handler discrimination
United States Canine Scent Sports – essential oils
Wag-It Games – essential oils, handler discrimination, and sheep’s wool

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Is it NACSW Nose and Canine Scent Work?

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Is it NACSW Nose and Canine Scent Work?
Do you mean National Association of Canine Scent Work?

One thing to note is that AKC and UKC use a LOT more odor per hide than the other organizations.


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Yes, NACSW is the National Association of Canine Scentwork. https://www.nacsw.net/

They are the first organization to have started this style of competitive scentwork as a solo sport (different than tracking). It was started by three people who has profession scent detection dogs and wanted to bring the fun of that to laypeople, essentially.

That's my preferred organization to trial in. As Rosemary just mentioned, different trial groups use different levels of odor. There are also slightly different rules.

I don't personally train an "alert behavior" and most people I train with do not - it's more about reading your dog's behavior. Because we have to have our dogs at odor source or as close to an inaccessible source as possible, having a trained behavior like a sit can actually interfere with identifying the location of the source at higher levels of competition with inaccessible hides that are are high height or deep back somewhere. Just my opinion and how my trainer feels about it.

Equipment - collar or harness is fine, as long as it's not a corrective piece of equipment. As far as I know all organizations are fine with either and it's totally your preference.

NACSW discourages an alert bark because it can affect competition.


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Fenzi is a great place to start with nosework IMO.
Hoss and I signed up and found this course to be a great foundation for nosework.
Initially I took some classes at our local training center and at the same time I took the online course.
Online gave me a lot of details that I do not think I would have picked up on in class.
Nosework has taught me so much in the area of reading my dogs body language.
Also a lot of fun for the owner and dog.
At any given time if we get bored at home we practice nosework.
Always exhausts Hoss’s brain after 30 minutes or so.
Then he is ready for his well deserved nap!
As far as collar.....I learned this at my training center. Early on Hoss in class seemed hesitant for searches.
Instructor had me remove his collar as she felt the collar was keeping him in an obedience mode versus feeling free to roam around and search for scent.
So collar removed and 15 foot lead attached to the back of his vest.
Then Hoss really got into his searches with more determination. Guess he felt more freedom with collar off his neck.
So now we vest up only......no collars are worn during our searches.
Good luck and have fun with this sport.

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https://www.nacsw.net/

They are the first organization to have started this style of competitive scentwork as a solo sport (different than tracking). It was started by three people who has profession scent detection dogs and wanted to bring the fun of that to laypeople, essentially.

That's my preferred organization to trial in. As Rosemary just mentioned, different trial groups use different levels of odor. There are also slightly different rules.

I don't personally train an "alert behavior" and most people I train with do not - it's more about reading your dog's behavior. Because we have to have our dogs at odor source or as close to an inaccessible source as possible, having a trained behavior like a sit can actually interfere with identifying the location of the source at higher levels of competition with inaccessible hides that are are high height or deep back somewhere. Just my opinion and how my trainer feels about it.

Equipment - collar or harness is fine, as long as it's not a corrective piece of equipment. As far as I know all organizations are fine with either and it's totally your preference.

NACSW discourages an alert bark because it can affect competition.[/QUOTE]

Thank you very much, those are very good advises. Now I tend to prefer NACSW over AKC, it sounds very interesting and also to put things a little mor difficult with the amount of odor. I'll reconsider the alert thing, but yeah definitely not barking, also to not interfere with our previous training.

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Fenzi is a great place to start with nosework IMO.
Hoss and I signed up and found this course to be a great foundation for nosework.
Initially I took some classes at our local training center and at the same time I took the online course.
Online gave me a lot of details that I do not think I would have picked up on in class.
Nosework has taught me so much in the area of reading my dogs body language.
Also a lot of fun for the owner and dog.
At any given time if we get bored at home we practice nosework.
Always exhausts Hoss’s brain after 30 minutes or so.
Then he is ready for his well deserved nap!
As far as collar.....I learned this at my training center. Early on Hoss in class seemed hesitant for searches.
Instructor had me remove his collar as she felt the collar was keeping him in an obedience mode versus feeling free to roam around and search for scent.
So collar removed and 15 foot lead attached to the back of his vest.
Then Hoss really got into his searches with more determination. Guess he felt more freedom with collar off his neck.
So now we vest up only......no collars are worn during our searches.
Good luck and have fun with this sport.
I'll try with a collar, she loves to use her nose, so if she doesn't looks comfortable I'll change it.
And yes I think it will be fun, and we can make it very varied.

Thank you very much for your replies, I'll take every advise, do a litle more research and get to work!

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I'm sorry I did something wrong and I couldn't edit my previous post befor 30 min. This is the first quote I quoted incorrectly:

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Yes, NACSW is the National Association of Canine Scentwork. https://www.nacsw.net/

They are the first organization to have started this style of competitive scentwork as a solo sport (different than tracking). It was started by three people who has profession scent detection dogs and wanted to bring the fun of that to laypeople, essentially.

That's my preferred organization to trial in. As Rosemary just mentioned, different trial groups use different levels of odor. There are also slightly different rules.

I don't personally train an "alert behavior" and most people I train with do not - it's more about reading your dog's behavior. Because we have to have our dogs at odor source or as close to an inaccessible source as possible, having a trained behavior like a sit can actually interfere with identifying the location of the source at higher levels of competition with inaccessible hides that are are high height or deep back somewhere. Just my opinion and how my trainer feels about it.

Equipment - collar or harness is fine, as long as it's not a corrective piece of equipment. As far as I know all organizations are fine with either and it's totally your preference.

NACSW discourages an alert bark because it can affect competition.
Thank you very much, those are very good advises. Now I tend to prefer NACSW over AKC, it sounds very interesting and also to put things a little mor difficult with the amount of odor. I'll reconsider the alert thing, but yeah definitely not barking, also to not interfere with our previous training.

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Do you mean National Association of Canine Scent Work?

One thing to note is that AKC and UKC use a LOT more odor per hide than the other organizations.
Yes, lol. I must have coined the words to those letters so I would remember them.

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