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That was a Great explanation 79 ! And your take away was excellent !

Back when we were racing - we had a crew talk - Where did we fall short at a race or over several races . What did we do right and what do we need to improve on .

I will almost bet that you will learn a ton from watching the video's - they are great teaching tools

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Adele and I managed to squeeze in an NW3 and L3C right before Washington state rolled back gatherings from 50 to 10 people. Overall she killed it, I was super happy with her work, both searching and relaxing in the car while we wait our turn. My other dog is extremely environmentally sensitive and I love how easy she is to travel/trial with.

1) NW3 - she found all the hides, worked like a champ in the heat. I called a hide in a blank room, my fault she didn't actually alert but it just blurted out of my mouth when she showed a little bit of interest on a trash can. I was worried because we had 2 container searches and we have a small problem with distractors and box smashing, but she was amazing and even got a P on one container search! So we got a leg towards our 2nd NW3 title. We are trialing again next month in Oregon which I'm super excited and grateful for.

2) L3C - We had 4 searches, she nailed the last 3 but hit what I'm assuming is a distractor early in the first search, which of course had most of the hides so we didn't get a leg. A bit of a bummer but was totally impressed with how she worked all weekend, two days of traveling/trialing in the heat we've had is asking a lot.
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Adele and I managed to squeeze in an NW3 and L3C right before Washington state rolled back gatherings from 50 to 10 people. Overall she killed it, I was super happy with her work, both searching and relaxing in the car while we wait our turn. My other dog is extremely environmentally sensitive and I love how easy she is to travel/trial with.

1) NW3 - she found all the hides, worked like a champ in the heat. I called a hide in a blank room, my fault she didn't actually alert but it just blurted out of my mouth when she showed a little bit of interest on a trash can. I was worried because we had 2 container searches and we have a small problem with distractors and box smashing, but she was amazing and even got a P on one container search! So we got a leg towards our 2nd NW3 title. We are trialing again next month in Oregon which I'm super excited and grateful for.

2) L3C - We had 4 searches, she nailed the last 3 but hit what I'm assuming is a distractor early in the first search, which of course had most of the hides so we didn't get a leg. A bit of a bummer but was totally impressed with how she worked all weekend, two days of traveling/trialing in the heat we've had is asking a lot.
Way to go! I totally know that "blurt"...just did it last weekend!
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Congrats on the leg!

Those pesky blurt alerts! We've all had them!

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Congrats on the leg!

Those pesky blurt alerts! We've all had them!
Oh yeah , them Blurts ! Funny thing is , every time I had one it always evolved working on a piece of farm equipment !
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It is very interesting to me because my Great Dane Finnegan, who is environmentally sensitive, and sensitive to me in day to day life, is not handler sensitive to me in nosework. We almost never get false alerts because of that, he doesn't care what I look at or where I linger, he just does his thing. His problem is getting comfortable with the environment, not being able to work when its over 70 degrees out, and that he is very slow and methodical. Even with all that he has 2 NW3 titles, although that took 8 NW3 trials to earn, back before there were legs.

My Doberman Adele, who is way more stable all around, is much more handler sensitive in nosework. Its the typical she shows interest, so I show interest, so she shows more interest, then I call alert (incorrectly). She is way more interested in my opinion than Finn is. It doesn't make sense that I keep repeating this pattern as she is not a subtle dog and she finds odor quickly, so I have to keep reminding myself to get in/get out and not linger anywhere.

The other thing that fascinates me about running two dogs at the same level is that Finn is just naturally a dog that needs to be right and wants to be precise. Even when I mark a correct find he ignores me and his treat until he thinks he has sourced the odor. Adele is naturally more inclined to indicate the presence of odor and hopefully ask for a treat before settling down to source. She is also more likely to leave a hard hide to go after an easy one. She has gotten much better at this over the last year, but it has taken a lot of practice. I think her natural style with make her a super fun partner for Elite (which I've never competed in), when we get there. I won't run Finn in Elite if he finishes his NW3 Elite title, he is getting older and I think the search area size and complexity will be too much for him. But I will continue to run him in NACSW element trials, USCSS, and UKC nosework. I really love this sport, its such a great relationship builder with my dogs and the community in the PNW is amazing.
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It's always interesting to see how two different dogs work the same problem. Does Finn have a lot of issues with inaccessible hides? Both of my dogs have liked getting right to source and will spend a lot of time trying to work that out. I've had to really train myself to just call it, if I think it's inaccessible or we waste a lot of time. And I admit that I still don't do a good job with that!

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extremely environmentally sensitive ?????????????????????????
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It means the dog is easily distracted by the environment, and any changes to it.


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Thank you very much Rosemary ! I guess what I was asking if it had to do with heat and humidity and that's how I should have asked the question Where I'm headed with this is A/C ! Last weekwe had feel like temps of 100 and above , Dew points one day were 79 ! So I was wondering that if we are making our dogs soft from being in the house with A/C - I'm pretty sure that it affects Kadin lots - when it was hot last week - it was more like winter time here with below zero wind chills = Nobody wanted to go out in it .
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Brandy was environmentally sensitive in that she hated slippery/shiny floors, most bathrooms and loud noises. I hated seeing bathrooms any time we trialed knowing that it could be the one that does us in. Occasionally she'd surprise me, but there were a couple trials where I spent doing more coaxing than searching. Thankfully there was enough that we managed to overcome, because she LOVED the sport so much!

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Thank you very much Rosemary ! I guess what I was asking if it had to do with heat and humidity and that's how I should have asked the question Where I'm headed with this is A/C ! Last weekwe had feel like temps of 100 and above , Dew points one day were 79 ! So I was wondering that if we are making our dogs soft from being in the house with A/C - I'm pretty sure that it affects Kadin lots - when it was hot last week - it was more like winter time here with below zero wind chills = Nobody wanted to go out in it .
These are also important considerations on a couple of levels. You need air movement (wind) in order to have decent search conditions. Stagnant air makes it really difficult to search.

Additionally, when dogs are panting hard, they have a difficult time scenting. They can't take air in when they are simultaneously panting. The hotter it is, the harder it is for a dog to work. Dogs need to be acclimated to working under hot conditions. You also have to be careful to keep your dog safe. There's a fine line.

Some people want to keep their dog in air conditioning until they have to go out and work, but that's not good for the dog. The shock of going from A/C into very hot conditions is hard on the system, and not conducive to good work - they can't adjust quickly to working well. My trainer recommends dogs be kept in good condition to be adjusted to being in reasonable heat so they can actually work in the heat. But you have to actually know your dog, know what's safe, know how to keep them reasonably comfortable...there's a lot that goes into working dogs!


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Heat and humidity definitely affect a dog's ability to search, since they affect what odor does. Also, since a dog thermoregulates by panting when they are hot, they have to choose between panting or sniffing, since they can't do both at the same time.

You can see a little bit of all of that in this video of Leo. She comes out of the house barking at nothing in particular (something she does a LOT). This was the second search we'd run in less than thirty minutes, and while the humidity was actually pretty low for this time of year, it was still hard for me to breath, she really struggled with scenting, and got hung up on drifting/pooling odor. She also switches to focusing more on me than the search, and I have to convince her to get back to work. Eventually, she basically says "Eff you, I quit.".



On the other hand, Lily comes out, and is already scenting when I switch the line from her collar to harness.



Now, that's not to say that Leo never gets right to work, or that Lily never gets distracted, because they do. I'ts just that Leo is more likely to be distracted by "things going on" than Lily, and more likely to quit if she is struggling.


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Some people want to keep their dog in air conditioning until they have to go out and work, but that's not good for the dog. The shock of going from A/C into very hot conditions is hard on the system, and not conducive to good work - they can't adjust quickly to working well. My trainer recommends dogs be kept in good condition to be adjusted to being in reasonable heat so they can actually work in the heat. But you have to actually know your dog, know what's safe, know how to keep them reasonably comfortable...there's a lot that goes into working dogs!
Both Leo and Lily are very sensitive to heat and humidity. Leo has never been heat tolerant, and overheats easily. Lily went into heat exhaustion once, and has had problems ever since. For that matter I can't handle heat and humidity, and have had heat exhaustion more than once.


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Both Leo and Lily are very sensitive to heat and humidity. Leo has never been heat tolerant, and overheats easily. Lily went into heat exhaustion once, and has had problems ever since. For that matter I can't handle heat and humidity, and have had heat exhaustion more than once.
It's a really hard balance, and a lot depends on the individual dog - breed, etc. It's really hard for us up here, too, because our summers are short, so we don't have a lot of time for them to slowly adjust to heat and get used to it, either. We basically end up with BAM! It's 90 degrees and trial time.

There are a lot of different techniques everyone comes up with their own dogs. Ultimately, for me, if I think my dog is even approaching an unsafe level, I don't risk her health! It's just a game, after all.
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I am so very proud to share that Newton and I earned our third NW3 title yesterday in Altamont, IL which means that we received our NW3 ELITE title!!!! He also took second place in containers, 4th place overall and we got three pronounced searches from the judges.
The bounce back from our last trial was truly amazing. Two of the searches we got pronounced on were containers, the very element that was not so good last time. I tried not to worry too much and I trusted my dog!
I'm very much looking forward to training and starting the elite journey. We'll begin trialing in that level next year!

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So unbelievably proud of team Newtie!!!!
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That's awesome! Congratulations!


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Excellent,congrats .

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outstanding hopefully we will be at some Elite trails together. There is one at the end of October in Palmyra VA. i am going to enter. Yes it is a 12 hour drive from my home in Central Fl however I did this twice last year. Trails are few and far between. It will take 2 days going up and 2 days driving back. With one day of trailing.
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Great Job Team Newtie ! So cool !!!! Newt ole bubby - You the Man !

Congrats to both of your for a Outstanding job - And what ever pronounced is - I will give you 4 more
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Congrats to both of your for a Outstanding job - And what ever pronounced is - I will give you 4 more
From the NACSW rulebook:

The judges may ‘Pronounce’ handler/dog teams demonstrating exceptional technique and/or
teamwork at each NW1, NW2, NW3, Elite, and Summit League trial. This is not part of the title,
but rather an acknowledgement of exceptional teamwork on that particular trial day.

The judges may consider any of the following in their evaluation of a pronounced team:
Professionalism, handler and dog safety, observational skills, leash handling technique,
off leash control, speed and efficiency, accuracy, stamina, enthusiasm, odor obedience,
clarity of alert and dog/handler communication. Pronouncement will be solely at the
discretion of the judge(s) for that trial.

The 'Pronounced' designation is not automatically awarded due to the score or comments. The
nature of NACSW™ trials include the participation of several judges, each with their own
interpretation and opinion on the teamwork they view in the element they are judging. Judges
will note a "P" on element score sheets when they wish to recognize the technique and/or
teamwork for that team, so that handlers may receive feedback and have understanding about
areas of their searches that were most notable to that judge. At the trial end, all of the score
sheets will be reviewed. Any handler/dog receiving a “P” on all searches completed in that trial
will receive the ‘pronounced’ designation for the trial and receive a ‘pronounced’ ribbon. The ‘P’
is not considered part of a title
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Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
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