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Yep... I will work to identify his body language sooner ...and beat him to the "smack" so to speak...........I will shoot for.... when that paw first lifts off the ground....
So far his smacks have resulted in a true finds........sounds like Hoss's human needs some more work !!!! Ba ha ha ha .......
Check out our training school.......google this.........Dog Training Club of St. Petersburg Florida............they just conducted some AKC nosework trials this past August....
This is a place we go for fun.........all the instructors are volunteers ..........but its a clean place to hang out with other dog people.
Thanks for the advise all.........after class Hoss is burn't out for 2 days............no laying around in this class..........he loves to work ...especially for food!!
I recall Meadowcat giving one of her dogs a cheeto........so far I take Pro Plan ....couple of days before training ...place in a baggie with some bacon bits.........Yummm....
his sniffer goes a mile a minute........LOL ..........this is real fun for sure.

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Here are Sypha's searches from the L1I trial - she ended up finishing first that day, and we were really in sync in our teamwork. Very pleased with these.







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Interesting Meadowcat.......was it natural for your pup to give you that look back at each find.....or you trained to get that response ....?

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Interesting Meadowcat.......was it natural for your pup to give you that look back at each find.....or you trained to get that response ....?
Not trained. It's because she's anticipating a reward. Richter does the same. He tends to hold a bit of a longer look.


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Congrats Team Sypha! Awesome videos!

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Thanks!

We're trialing again next weekend - we have three level 2 element trials. Not sure how they'll go, but we'll have fun. Doing vehicles, containers, and interiors. We're supposed to get rain on the day we're doing vehicles, so that could be....interesting I'm hoping the forecast changes!

We also managed to get into another NW3 in about a month! Yay!


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That’s awesome to get into so many! I’d rather work in the rain than the miserable heat we had on Saturday for a NW3. 92 degrees and stifling humidity. The 3 vehicles sat out all day in the blazing sun and two of them were black. We ran at 2:30 and I could not put my hand on my brown car, it was sizzling. I wondered if Boon would search vehicles at all. It was such a weird search- he never came closer to the cars than 12” and I knew exactly why he was keeping his distance, but he correctly found both hides. He normally indicates with nose to source but he lifted his paw for both alerts. Did not touch the vehicle with his paw. Got a pronounced! These smart Dobermans!

Most exciting was our 2nd place in containers with not a single paint can, tackle box, or plastic bucket knocked over! This is the dog who used to plow through containers like a runaway tank because no one taught me in all the classes I took for years how to control a container search. There were 4 TIGHT rows of containers in a small room and it was a significant converging odor puzzle. I trusted our new process and it was awesome! The judge, whom I know, and had seen Boon wipe out a container search before, gave a wonderful comment and a pronounced! Prouder of that search and the training behind it than any title we’ve gotten.

Also got our L3 element title in exteriors! Tricky puzzle = really big area with lots of objects and bricks and stone pillars and...only one hide! Pesky brain interference (there has to be another hide in this huge area) made the humans push a lot of dogs into false alerts but Boon cleared everything and never false alerted even though I made him repeat certain areas.

We would have gotten our title but dumb me missed beautiful his clear communication on a blank room. So proud of him!
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Don't knw how I missed the videos , lol Great job team ! I love to watch the team in action . I did have to laugh , I would have not guess the reason they look at you were --- they would get a treat , boy there smart !

Tricia -So how did you train Boon to not clean out the place ? Any videos of before and after ? that would be fun to watch

Great job by both of you
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So, Hoss appears to enjoy the rewards of nose work......but during classes .....he is just going nuts over the treat.......no matter where I place the treat when its time to start he is looking at me versus approaching the boxes to earn the treat ...our boxes now just consist of just the scent tin............ I have tried front pockets, back pockets, treat pouch carrying to my back side...............as we approach the start line ....Hoss is not looking towards the boxes.........he wants that treat that is somewhere on my body ..............Currently I am coaching him to get look into the first box............he does not appear to be looking for the scent .....he taps each box with his foot......then looks back hoping for the treat............then he will go to the next box and do the same.........once hits the hot box................he looks back and I verbally praise .........then he eats the treat out of my hand that is now inside the box. .........maybe this is normal for Intro.......class 4..........thoughts?

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These instructions come from my training school:
When the dog gives the alert signal to the wrong box it is called a "False Alert". This can occur any time during the training program, but we usually see it start once the food is used to reward the dog for finding the scented box. When the dog notices he gets a cookie for finding the hot box, he may, if he is anything like our dogs, try to see if he can get a cookie at other boxes.

Sometimes the False Alert will show up when the boxes are closed, and the scent is fainter. Use open boxes in training for a short while . Either way it is not a good thing .

Almost every dog that has gone on to the Advanced Levels of scent work has gone though a period when they false alert.

The best way to stop this behavior is to always know where the hides are ahead of time. Ask your instructor to point out which container has the target odor before you run your dog. Then, if the dog gives you a false alert, you can use your leash to get your dog moving ahead, and you ignore the unwanted behavior, never saying a work other than another "find it" type command. Once the dog learns nothing happens when he alerts to an empty box the behavior will stop.

On another note: AKC rules say handlers can talk to their dog while they are being judges, they can touch their dogs too, and the rules allow you to reward your dog with a treat after the dog has found the target odor. You can control your dog with the leash, but you cannot give your dog a correction with the leash.

Our Big Scent Work trial is November 16th, 17th and 18th. Scent work has become the fastest growing dog sport in AKC and our last trial filled in less that 48 hours. You may want to come and watch the dogs working, and maybe you will even try your dog and see what he/she can do.

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That’s awesome to get into so many! I’d rather work in the rain than the miserable heat we had on Saturday for a NW3. 92 degrees and stifling humidity. The 3 vehicles sat out all day in the blazing sun and two of them were black. We ran at 2:30 and I could not put my hand on my brown car, it was sizzling. I wondered if Boon would search vehicles at all. It was such a weird search- he never came closer to the cars than 12” and I knew exactly why he was keeping his distance, but he correctly found both hides. He normally indicates with nose to source but he lifted his paw for both alerts. Did not touch the vehicle with his paw. Got a pronounced! These smart Dobermans!

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Also got our L3 element title in exteriors! Tricky puzzle = really big area with lots of objects and bricks and stone pillars and...only one hide! Pesky brain interference (there has to be another hide in this huge area) made the humans push a lot of dogs into false alerts but Boon cleared everything and never false alerted even though I made him repeat certain areas.

We would have gotten our title but dumb me missed beautiful his clear communication on a blank room. So proud of him!
That kind of weather is horrible! Stagnant air does NOT make for good searching and the heat sure sucks the life out of the dogs - very hard on them (and us!).

Congrats on the new title!


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Team Dax competed in our first Elite trail this past Friday in Maidens VA. She was not at 100% due to a foot injury. I was all set to pull her however after our nose work coach who is also a vet returned my phone call immediately and gave expert advice Dax was able to trail yet not at peak performance. She showed her heart, spirit and willingness to work. There were 16 hides, we found 8 hides with no faults and earned 50 points to our 150 point Elite 1 title.
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So, Hoss appears to enjoy the rewards of nose work......but during classes .....he is just going nuts over the treat.......no matter where I place the treat when its time to start he is looking at me versus approaching the boxes to earn the treat ...our boxes now just consist of just the scent tin............ I have tried front pockets, back pockets, treat pouch carrying to my back side...............as we approach the start line ....Hoss is not looking towards the boxes.........he wants that treat that is somewhere on my body ..............Currently I am coaching him to get look into the first box............he does not appear to be looking for the scent .....he taps each box with his foot......then looks back hoping for the treat............then he will go to the next box and do the same.........once hits the hot box................he looks back and I verbally praise .........then he eats the treat out of my hand that is now inside the box. .........maybe this is normal for Intro.......class 4..........thoughts?
Ilka used to "lie" because she wanted her cookie, and she wanted it yesterday. Since I set up the searches, I always knew where the hot box was, so I would just tell her to go find when she hit on the first (cold) box she came to. If she didn't start searching, well too bad, so sad, we quit and she did't get any cookies.


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Team Dax competed in our first Elite trail this past Friday in Maidens VA. She was not at 100% due to a foot injury. I was all set to pull her however after our nose work coach who is also a vet returned my phone call immediately and gave expert advice Dax was able to trail yet not at peak performance. She showed her heart, spirit and willingness to work. There were 16 hides, we found 8 hides with no faults and earned 50 points to our 150 point Elite 1 title.
First, glad Dax is okay - hope the foot heals up fast. I HATE foot injuries - have battled them with Richter. What a pain!

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These instructions come from my training school:
When the dog gives the alert signal to the wrong box it is called a "False Alert". This can occur any time during the training program, but we usually see it start once the food is used to reward the dog for finding the scented box. When the dog notices he gets a cookie for finding the hot box, he may, if he is anything like our dogs, try to see if he can get a cookie at other boxes.

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Almost every dog that has gone on to the Advanced Levels of scent work has gone though a period when they false alert.

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On another note: AKC rules say handlers can talk to their dog while they are being judges, they can touch their dogs too, and the rules allow you to reward your dog with a treat after the dog has found the target odor. You can control your dog with the leash, but you cannot give your dog a correction with the leash.

Our Big Scent Work trial is November 16th, 17th and 18th. Scent work has become the fastest growing dog sport in AKC and our last trial filled in less that 48 hours. You may want to come and watch the dogs working, and maybe you will even try your dog and see what he/she can do.
Dogs are smart....they are trying to figure out what's "good enough" to earn the reward, and you are teaching them that they need to be at the source of the odor in order to receive their reward. That's why you don't do "blind" searches (where the handler doesn't know where the hide is) too early in your training, and it's why you reward at the source of the odor. You don't rush your training, either....you need to build a really solid relationship in your dog's mind that source=reward.

And definitely, lots of dogs will "false alert" for a lot of reasons, and not just at early levels

The more you watch a lot of dogs work, the more you learn how to read the dogs working odor. It's really a dance between you and your dog, and it's about learning to read YOUR dog - when does your dog get "in odor"? When do you see "behavior change"? What does your dog do when they are working odor, and what do they do at source? Nosework is such a beautiful sport because it's really led by the DOG, not the handler, which is so very different than other sports. The best thing I can say is don't rush.


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I'm super happy to share that Newtie and I earned our second NW3 on Sunday in Janesville, WI!!! It was a wet, muddy, miserable day, but the hosts, CO and volunteers were awesome and did as much as they could to keep competitors out of the elements. I give Newtie even more credit than normal because he was cooped up in the car all day. He normally gets to be out in his big kennel sitting next to me and we enjoy the day together. We took 5th place overall and earned our Container element ribbon. We have one more NW3 trial coming up in MN in November. I'd love to get it knocked out before the rule changes, but you never know how the day will go!
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Are you in the Bloomington trial???? What day? We got into Sunday...!


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Sypha got her L2I and L2C titles this weekend, and a leg on her L2V. It was a tough search day - cold and rainy. Was really proud of how she worked for me...only missed on hide. That was on a three hide search, only 2 1/2 minutes to find them, out in the rain and wind. We just ran out of time, and she really wasn't thrilled to be out searching! I was even prouder of her that she found the last two of the day when it was raining even harder Not our dream search environment! Plus, she wasn't feeling that great - she puked that morning, but she seemed okay to go, so we went. What a trooper.

Sunday was much nicer! Sunny, warmer...but of course all the searches were indoors Interiors and containers. For containers we searched some normal boxes and some hard plastic toolbox type things....containers are NOT our favorite, so I'm really proud of her. Good girlie.

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