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Team Dax got into our first NACSW Elite trail. It will be held in Maidens VA on September 27th. Any one else going to be there.
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Team Dax got into our first NACSW Elite trail. It will be held in Maidens VA on September 27th. Any one else going to be there.
Very exciting! That's a little too far away for me!

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Sypha and I had a big Nosework weekend!

On Saturday we had our first NW3 trial...I knew we wouldn't title our first time out, so the goal was to have fun and learn a lot. I was super thankful one of my classmates was also trialing, so I had great support and a friend in the parking lot all day I was also lucky to see Meldrew and Newtie! She got into the trial last minute and drove overnight from Wisconsin!

It was a huge learning experience, because NW3 is so different. We learned a lot, had some not-great moments but some really great moments, too. I have some stuff I want to work on, and the highlight of the day was that Sypha actually placed 3rd in exteriors! I was shocked and hugely proud of her.

Sunday we went back down for the Level 1 Interiors trial. Sypha earned her title - L1I - and that finishes off all of the level one elements for her. The Sunday trial couldn't have gone any better. It was one of those days where you feel completely in sync as a team, everything just flows and things feel completely right. When I checked the results this morning I saw that she actually placed first in the trial! There aren't true "placements" in element trials, so no ribbons or anything for that, but I'm very pleased with that - it just confirms how well we meshed as a team yesterday.

It was a great weekend. Completely exhausting (Saturday was a 12 hour day for us!), but so much fun.
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Congratulations again on your title and welcome to NW3!
We're hoping to get into the one in MN in November so maybe we'll see you again!

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Congrats to team Sypha ! Pretty coo deal = number 1 ! Plus a tidal ! Great weekend !

Oh know time for a question

79 or MC , so what is so different about NW3 ? Just harder finds ? Or way more than that ?
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Congratulations again on your title and welcome to NW3!
We're hoping to get into the one in MN in November so maybe we'll see you again!
We're going to try and get in, too...fingers crossed!


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Congrats to team Sypha ! Pretty coo deal = number 1 ! Plus a tidal ! Great weekend !

Oh know time for a question

79 or MC , so what is so different about NW3 ? Just harder finds ? Or way more than that ?
So, at NW1 and NW2, the handler knows how many hides there are in each search. And the searches are easier - NW1 the easiest - hides must be "accessible" to the dog at NW1. In an NW2, for example, you might have an exterior search where you are told there are 2 hides total.

At NW3, for each element (interior, exterior, containers, and vehicles), you can have between 1 and 3 hides in each element. Each of those you have one search, except interiors, which can have three separate rooms to search, and only in interiors, one of those rooms might have NO hides. You do not know how many hides are in each search. When you search, it is your job to do the search in the amount of time allotted, decide when you've found all the hides, and then call finish before the time expires. You are not told if you've correctly found all the hides. You cannot call an incorrect alert and continue searching (so, for example, on Saturday in one of our interior searches, we had a "false alert" where Sypha appeared to find odor on something in an interior room - a doctor's scale. Many dogs also alerted on it, but it did not have a hide, so we got a "no" and had to stop searching that room. In our case we'd already found the other hide in that room and would have been correct if I'd not called that and had instead called finish.)

Clear as mud? To make it more confusing, the rules are changing next year for NW3. But for now...that's how it is. You must correctly call all the hides, with no incorrect calls, no missed hides, in order to title. It's a bigger challenge because it's a lot more about correctly reading your dog not only when they are searching and alerting to odor, but also when they are DONE searching and no more hides are left to find. It is easy to push your dog into a "false alert" when you think there may be more hides. Many people say it's more of a "mind game" for the handler. The hides are also a lot harder - they can be higher, inaccessible, etc.

Hope that helps? It was a lot of fun, a new challenge, and I'm excited to keep going! It can take quite a few tries for a lot of teams to earn their NW3 (plus, around here it's really hard to get into NW3 trials).
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Sounds very interesting MC

Thank you taking the time to explain it .

Plus fun !
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Sounds very interesting MC

Thank you taking the time to explain it .

Plus fun !
No problem! If you ever want to poke around on the NACSW website, you can do that here: http://nacsw.net/.

It's a super fun sport - if there's ever a trial near you and you are so inclined, most of the time they need volunteers, and you don't need any experience to volunteer. It's a great way to get to see the sport "in action", so to speak.
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I am so proud to share that Newtie and I got our NW3 title this Saturday in De Land, IL!!!! NW3 has been a goal/dream of mine that started out with Brandy, I can't tell you how happy I am that we were able to make it a reality. Newtie worked very hard, even with a 5.5 hour drive the night before and a hotel stay! Not only did we get our title, but we also placed 3rd overall and earned our element titles in vehicles and exteriors. It was an awesome day! I have the best teammate a girl could ask for!

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I could not be more excited, happy and proud of you guys! Go team Newtie!


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got into out first Elite trail and then today received notice that Team Dax got into another Elite trail. Both are in VA so it will be a long drive for us from Florida
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So great to come here and see all the wonderful achievements!! Newtie and Sypha rockin’ it up for Dobermans!!

Team Dax, I’ll be in Maidens, VA for the NW3 trial, so, will miss you by one day. That’s some doggone dedication to drive that far!
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Congrats team Newtie !!!! How cool is that ! So happy for both of you , it takes so much hard work to achieve goals and you two did it !

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So great to come here and see all the wonderful achievements!! Newtie and Sypha rockin’ it up for Dobermans!!

Team Dax, I’ll be in Maidens, VA for the NW3 trial, so, will miss you by one day. That’s some doggone dedication to drive that far!
you are right about being a LONG drive. I knew when I got into the Elite level that I would be driving haha I use to say that the Carolina's was in my back yard now it looks like I am adding the state of Virginia
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Long drive ? Is your jet in the shop ?
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So, for those of us that follow a lot of scentwork type stuff, you probably have seen articles on how police dogs can "false alert" on narcotics, etc. It's very interesting to those of us in the sport world of scent work, too, because we can experience the same thing - it's easy to accidentally push your dog into a false alert (or, of course, just simply read your dog wrong, too).

I thought I'd share this video of our recent NW3 trial, where I clearly had kind of a "perfect storm" of pushing Sypha into a false alert type of situation in our vehicle search. It's easy to see afterward on the video, with all the information I had, but in the moment, not so easy! For background, at the start of the search she was NOT enthusiastic to search at all, very atypical for her. Normally she drags me to the search...this is probably the first search she's ever "loose leash walked" to in her life. So it felt very weird and "off" to start with. We'd be waiting hours with no searching (because, that's how trials can be!), so it could have been boredom, lack of interest, lack of endurance...who knows. In any case, it was not her usual behavior, and it really threw me off. It's an NW3, so the human part of the team doesn't know how many hides are out there. You'll see in the video, the hides are marked - there's only 1. She actually goes right to it and finds it pretty fast. The wind is fairly strong, and the odor is drifting onto the blue SUV - that's actually a friend's car, and she's a nosework instructor. It's had odor on it many times (though not recent enough to be excluded as a trial vehicle). You can see her show brief interest, and then walk away. She "tells" me a few times she's ready to be done searching, and I keep asking her to search more. The more I ask her to keep looking, the more she is interested in the drifting odor on the blue SUV. There are a ton of tiny spaces in that vehicle for the odor to drift into. Finally, I get a 30 second warning (that I only have 30 seconds left to search), and I really put pressure on her - she's not really giving any clear indication that there's an odor source, but she sort of looks at me like, okay, YOU clearly think there's something, so do you want to give me a treat here? And I called "alert" and got a no. If I had read my dog correctly the MANY MANY times she told me there were no more odor sources (hides)....we'd have been correct SHE KNEW there was only one hide!

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I have been there, MC (and probably will be again). I think it’s just experience and nerves! It’s easy to play arm chair quarterback, but in the moment it’s so different!
Newtie showed some interest on that blue car too. I called finish only finding the one hide, but had that nagging feeling that we left one out there. Ah! The NW3 mind game!

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I have been there, MC (and probably will be again). I think it’s just experience and nerves! It’s easy to play arm chair quarterback, but in the moment it’s so different!
Newtie showed some interest on that blue car too. I called finish only finding the one hide, but had that nagging feeling that we left one out there. Ah! The NW3 mind game!
I know that if she had gone into the search with her "normal" attitude it probably would have helped tremendously But I thought this would be a great video to share as a learning experience.

Our interiors were much more normal searches were I felt very confident that she was DONE searching and had cleared the room.

You are so right that it's a very different experience at NW3 for the handler! Learning to read your dog is such an interesting and challenging part of the game!


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Well Hoss attended his second nosework class this past Wednesday.
He appears to really like this class.......
We started out with a similar process.... 4 boxes in a line.......the last box being the "hot box" with the scent tin and treat laying on top of the scent box.
He starts out ....stops at each box......the last box ....he dobie smacks the box........YEP......Alert!!
Then we did the same process ....except no treat ......just the boxes and the scent tin.........Hoss did the same thing........smack! Alert!
The third round ...Hoss passed by the first box... he went straight to the second box then backtracked to the first box.......(instructor told me... let him go back ....he realizes he missed checking the first box) so he went back to the first box ...then proceeded to inspect each box down the line.....then in the third box......yep...another dobie smack! Alert !
Instructor told me .......every dog has their own tell.....some sit down...some lay down......etc.
So far Hoss appears to be a "smacker" .....he smacked one almost 15 feet acrossed the concrete floor.
Instructor told me ...Hoss smacking the box is a good thing ....and should be encouraged if that's his tell...............instructor stated when we start doing trials time matters ......and the time it takes for the dog to sit or lay down could cost us small amounts of time that could make a difference.
So since this is my first time in nosework........just checking to see if instructor is giving me good advise........does this all sound correct?
So sad but I have taken classes before to find out the techniques were incorrect......so just bouncing some of these situations off you folks .....
Like the saying goes......TRUST BUT VERIFY!!!!
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Just be aware that while tapping of slightly moving boxes is okay, smashing and/or severely rearranging them will get you faults in a trial.

Leo's indication for containers is typically a down, and she will also sometimes down or sit in other elements as well, which I'm perfectly happy with. I'd rather have her confident and accurate than fast.


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Well Hoss attended his second nosework class this past Wednesday.
He appears to really like this class.......
We started out with a similar process.... 4 boxes in a line.......the last box being the "hot box" with the scent tin and treat laying on top of the scent box.
He starts out ....stops at each box......the last box ....he dobie smacks the box........YEP......Alert!!
Then we did the same process ....except no treat ......just the boxes and the scent tin.........Hoss did the same thing........smack! Alert!
The third round ...Hoss passed by the first box... he went straight to the second box then backtracked to the first box.......(instructor told me... let him go back ....he realizes he missed checking the first box) so he went back to the first box ...then proceeded to inspect each box down the line.....then in the third box......yep...another dobie smack! Alert !
Instructor told me .......every dog has their own tell.....some sit down...some lay down......etc.
So far Hoss appears to be a "smacker" .....he smacked one almost 15 feet acrossed the concrete floor.
Instructor told me ...Hoss smacking the box is a good thing ....and should be encouraged if that's his tell...............instructor stated when we start doing trials time matters ......and the time it takes for the dog to sit or lay down could cost us small amounts of time that could make a difference.
So since this is my first time in nosework........just checking to see if instructor is giving me good advise........does this all sound correct?
So sad but I have taken classes before to find out the techniques were incorrect......so just bouncing some of these situations off you folks .....
Like the saying goes......TRUST BUT VERIFY!!!!
So thoughts?
Well, yes and no, LOL. Dobermans are kind of notorious for playing with boxes. I 100% agree with your instructor (and others will disagree) that I don't like a "trained response" like a sit or a down, and for what it's worth, neither does MY instructor, who has been doing Nosework since its inception and trained with the founders, conducts lots of seminars nationally, and is a pretty well known NACSW trainer. There are a lot of circumstances where a dog CANNOT do a "trained response" for different reasons. That type of behavior is very typical for police dogs, or professional search dogs, where they do not need to indicate a precise location, but the presence of their target, and you often see it with people who train with instructors who have a heavy background in that type of work.

ON THE OTHER HAND! Box "smacking" and overly "pawing" types of behavior can be a problem down the line. First, you can end up with a dog who is inadvertently being rewarded for "play" type behavior, especially with boxes, and when you eventually trial with containers that are boxes, it can be a problem. Not only that, but if they start to indicate odor by pawing, and that pawing is overenthusiastic, you can end up damaging the hide location - that can give you faults in trials. So...that's the other side of the coin. If you get a decent middle ground it's not terrible, but these are things to be aware of. A good trainer will help here. Hopefully your trainer has a lot of experience training scentwork/nosework, has had students do well at trials, trained a lot of different breeds, etc. A good trainer knows all of this and will be tailoring her/his suggestions to you and your dog!


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Good to know ...as is is "smacking" the empty box pretty hard.
Glad I asked...as my instructor told me he could hit it as hard as he wanted to....he was just not allowed to bite or shed the boxes.........
So far is he is consistantly a smacker......actually he smacks normally when he wants my attention......but these empty boxes ..he hits them hard.....
Its early in training...............so how should I adjust/approach this.......thoughts?

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Good to know ...as is is "smacking" the empty box pretty hard.
Glad I asked...as my instructor told me he could hit it as hard as he wanted to....he was just not allowed to bite or shed the boxes.........
So far is he is consistantly a smacker......actually he smacks normally when he wants my attention......but these empty boxes ..he hits them hard.....
Its early in training...............so how should I adjust/approach this.......thoughts?
I would really work with your instructor - talk about the concerns. How much experience does your instructor have in the sport? What's their background teaching it? Trialing in it? How many students do they have trialing and what kind of success do they have? That's a starting place for how I evaluate where I train...is the instructor successful in getting other people where I want to be? That's step 1. If yes, awesome. THEN I ask if I like their methods, do I feel like I click with them, all of that. If your instructor is successful in getting their students to be successful in the venues you want to trial in (if that's your goal?), then I'd trust them to work with you on this


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First, I agree with everything MC said!

I have a box smasher and always breath a sigh of relief when I see they're using study boxes for containers in trials (plastic shoeboxes, plastics toolboxes, clean paint buckets, etc). My instructor recommended I reward very quickly so he does not get the benefit of the smacking, beat him to the punch so to speak. It seems to have helped a little. He still likes using that big old Dober paw though and he's 80+lbs, so....boxes will be sacrificed! Thankfully I have not had a judge fault me yet (and I was honestly surprised in some cases!).

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