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Tell me what body language you see....

being displayed in this vid. The lady says it's the "Rottie purr".... I see a stiff, uncomfortable dog with a LOT of bite inhibition....I was cringing the whole time I watched this....

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that looks like she's begging for a bite in the face...
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I watched with my hand over my face, peeping through my fingers...

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I noticed, in particular, that when she put her head beside his and really intrusively hugged him, he showed the whites of his eyes (whale eyes) and looked anxious--I think she was really pushing him into his discomfort zone.
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Hard to say my friends Rott does the exact same thing and looks just as stiff etc, I will take a video if you like.
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Please define the Rottie grumble and its body language - Rottweiler Discussion Forums
Do you have a grumbling Rottie? - Rottweiler Discussion Forums
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This is actually a well known behaviour trait for rotties.

Edit: Rottie purr or gumble or rumble (many different names I have come across) is a good thing, but many train their dogs out of it because many people see a 'growling' dog and get scared They are a very vocal breed!
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I just looked at his eyes--they did not look relaxed to me.

But I guess not everyone gets the dobe smile either.
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being displayed in this vid. The lady says it's the "Rottie purr".... I see a stiff, uncomfortable dog with a LOT of bite inhibition....I was cringing the whole time I watched this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf8Uvp6kRgs
Hmm, that's weird. I woulda thought that was a tense dog. Do rotties really do this?

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that video has about 7 or so pages of comments. I didn't read them all but a lot of people were stating the dog did not look relaxed...

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Rottweiler Club of Canada - Growl
From a published author, listed on the rottweiler club of canada's website.
Training Your Rottweiler - Google Books

Lots of people on doberman videos say the same. The dog shouldnt be trained in schtzhund the dog shouldnt be around that child...do you listen to them?
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I once fostered a male Samoyed who "grumbled" at dinner time. Wasn't a vicious dog, just "grumbly". I haven't read Deathmetal's links yet, so I reserve judgment on the growling/purring for now.

If I fuss at and love on any of my dogs as much as the woman in the video does to the Rott, they do the "wiggle butt dance", hopping around, turning to get their favorite spots scritched. The Rott didn't seem to "interact" with the woman.
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I own Doberman, but I see Rottie on a daily basic, and some of my favorite dogs are Rotties.
This behavior to shows love, I have never seen it from my friend's pack. They are sweet, wag their tail, lean you you, licking, purring but not stiff. They must move around you, bang on you, some "bad dog" even jump. And most likely they will lay down on your feet to enoy the pet.
So look at the vid, the growling is not common, but the dog is 100% different from what I've seen with Rotties, but I don't think he's gonna bite, he's just uncomfortable.
And yeah, the woman was really stubborn.

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This is actually a well known behaviour trait for rotties.

Edit: Rottie purr or gumble or rumble (many different names I have come across) is a good thing, but many train their dogs out of it because many people see a 'growling' dog and get scared They are a very vocal breed!
I guess to me....gumbling etc...the vocal stuff...has to be put together with the whole body....and I didn't see a comfortable dog at all. His eyes and the stiffness of his neck, just don't say "relaxed" to me.

I did the same thing as you Deathmetal...Googled "Rottie Purr" just to see if that is a trait....and found the same forum....most people there said there's a distinct difference between the affectionate grumbling and deep throated growl....I wondered if this gal had heard of the Rottie purr, and was possibly making a HUGE mistake....I've watched it 3 times....knowing that she doesn't get bit....yet cringing every time...LOL.

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Because I worked at an animal hospital and saw so many rotts that do NOT like the vet and being handled by them (AND my boss missed so many signals...he was clueless which is why I no longer work there), I am preconditioned to be a little nervous of them. You would never catch my face so close to a dog that big when his eyes looked like that! No way and no how lol.

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I did the same thing as you Deathmetal...Googled "Rottie Purr" just to see if that is a trait....and found the same forum....most people there said there's a distinct difference between the affectionate grumbling and deep throated growl....I wondered if this gal had heard of the Rottie purr, and was possibly making a HUGE mistake....I've watched it 3 times....knowing that she doesn't get bit....yet cringing every time...LOL.

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Do research and please don't pass judgement on any animal ignorantly. This is why people are scared of dobermans.
Take all your comments, and switch 'rott' with doberman. This is what people on the waterdog/lap dog/yoga boards are saying about your loving couch loving dobe smiling family members



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Watched it with no sound.
The angle and the way she's handling him makes it a bit hard to tell if he really is giving whale eye or just trying to look towards her. He does look stiff to my untrained eye, though.
And I'll admit bias from having read Wild Minds not long ago, but what I see is overbearing primate-style affection and a very tolerant rottie.

Why in the world does she stick her finger in his mouth at one pt??


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I don't think he was enjoying it at all. My dogs do love affection but no dog likes being up and groped like that with fingers being shoved in their mouths.

I've had 3 Rotties in my life and all were very loving and affectionate and never growled or made noises like that. On the other hand, one I dog sat who was loving to me and his parents, did make noises like that but to other people. There were 4 adults in the world that could touch this boy and anybody else was met with a stern warning. OH wait, might not have been a warning. Might have just been a purr.

BUT...the other video, A very patient Rottie, now that was a happy Rottie and adorable girl.
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Take all your comments, and switch 'rott' with doberman.
Done. And I've include other breeds I've fostered who are found frequently on BSL lists.
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I once fostered a {Doberman/Rottweiler/APBT/Anatolian Shepherd-mix} who "grumbled" at dinner time. Wasn't a vicious dog, just "grumbly". I haven't read Deathmetal's links yet, so I reserve judgment on the growling/purring for now.

If I fuss at and love on any of my {Doberman/Rottweiler/APBT/Anatolian Shepherd-mix} as much as the woman in the video does to the {Doberman/Rottweiler/APBT/Anatolian Shepherd-mix}, they do the "wiggle butt dance", hopping around, turning to get their favorite spots scritched. The {Doberman/Rottweiler/APBT/Anatolian Shepherd-mix} didn't seem to "interact" with the woman.
If anyone spots where I've ignorantly passed judgment on any animal, I'd appreciate it if you brought it to my attention. Thanks. And, because "tone of voice" is difficult to convey in writing: no snarkiness/sarcasm intended.
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Do research and please don't pass judgement on any animal ignorantly. This is why people are scared of dobermans.
Take all your comments, and switch 'rott' with doberman. This is what people on the waterdog/lap dog/yoga boards are saying about your loving couch loving dobe smiling family members



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o.k. I would STILL never put my face next to a dobe, akita, german shepherd etc. that had a facial expression as that dog. Better? LOL Edit: no sarcasm in my post. I do like Rotties and I respect them.

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I'm taking this too much to heart, thanks for bringing me down a peg.

The fact is that I would absolutely hate someone to be walking down the street, see a loving dog/owner together and the dog 'growling' and the person automatically assume the dog is exibiting a warning sign. I posted a couple of links hoping someone would read it and 'get it'.

I see a loving woman who admittedly is a bit 'over the top' with her animal. I hug mine, but I rarely baby talk or stick my fingers in their mouths unless I'm brushing teeth. I still think that the dog is happy and 'smiling' and vocalizing his happiness.

I hope someone reads the links I sent and at least welcomes the idea that a growling rottweiler may be doing it out of content.
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If rottie lovers say that the rotties do indeed have a happy, growly purr, I believe them. Just like dobes have their smiles (and several other breeds). The most important thing is that owners are interpreting their dogs body language correctly. Insurance company's will tell you there are thousands of dog bites every year. I think a lot of this is because of mixed signals between human and dog.

When copper "smiles" at me, his ears are back, his eyes relaxed and his body is wiggly. Body language good lol

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...a growling rottweiler may be doing it out of content[ment].
Yes, I believe that is possible as I've seen other dogs do it. It's not the Rott's vocalizing that has me concerned, it's his stiff body and his not "moving into" the owner's embrace. It's not that I think the Rott shown in the video is going to act aggressively towards the woman. It's just that the Rott's body language seems to be indicating--IMO--that he really would prefer the woman not paw at, hug or rub him as vigorously as she is doing. Basically, he's not going to bite her, he just wishes she'd knock off the schmaltz and take him for a walk so he can sniff at and p33 on stuff. :biggrin:

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I think this is the "purr" of contentment you describe deathmetal - I can see this is genuine contentment on this dogs face. I have never heard of this until now.

On the same note - I can see how the body language of this dog is totally different to the original clip where the dog looks very stiff and uncomfortable and ready for a bite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9bjTkktAxY

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On the same note - I can see how the body language of this dog is totally different to the original clip where the dog looks very stiff and uncomfortable and ready for a bite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9bjTkktAxY

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