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I think this is the "purr" of contentment you describe deathmetal - I can see this is genuine contentment on this dogs face. I have never heard of this until now.

On the same note - I can see how the body language of this dog is totally different to the original clip where the dog looks very stiff and uncomfortable and ready for a bite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9bjTkktAxY

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Now THIS vid is a totally different story.....the dog is loving it, his face is relaxed...his body is relaxed.....he's moves closer.....and to me, there is a difference in the growl/purr.....

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Do research and please don't pass judgement on any animal ignorantly. This is why people are scared of dobermans.
Take all your comments, and switch 'rott' with doberman. This is what people on the waterdog/lap dog/yoga boards are saying about your loving couch loving dobe smiling family members



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Well I wouldn't particularly care what breed it was..if I saw a dog..any dog with that expression I would not want to be doing what she is doing. To be honest I hate seeing people do that to any dog. I think any dog would be within its rights to object. That is disgusting behaviour to subject a dog to. JMO.
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I think this is the "purr" of contentment you describe deathmetal - I can see this is genuine contentment on this dogs face. I have never heard of this until now.

On the same note - I can see how the body language of this dog is totally different to the original clip where the dog looks very stiff and uncomfortable and ready for a bite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9bjTkktAxY

Love the rotties!
Yes..this Rottie is clearly soliciting the attention and this woman is not all over restraining it..it could leave anytime it wanted. Unlike the first one this woman is respectful of the dog and gives it a chance to leave or solicit more and it wants more.
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Hey I just tried to watch it again and it is now private.
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The original video is private now.. dang! I wanted to see it.

The rott in the second video is SO CUTE! OMG, one of my chihuahuas does a happy growl, too. I thought he was just "special." He does it whenever he's excited and I start petting him vigorously. I should take a video.


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Yep, can't see it. But I did see the second one, and he does look relaxed and enjoying things!

It's tough when certain breeds have these things that they do... like the smiling. I have seen many videos where someone says their animal is smiling, but they are actually just raising their lip in an aggressive way (often growling simultaneously). I have seen actual smiling though, and the rest of the body language is much more submissive and "sweet". I would say that most people just don't fully understand dog body lanugage. For example, I would bet that 85% of people think that a wagging tail automatically = happy, friendly dog.

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Wow....I'm surprised that it's been changed to private.....It was on another site, too....and that also was changed to private.

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How surprised can you really be when everyone was telling her she was an awful human being? No one deserves to be treated the way the commenters treated her.

You also have to take into consideration 85% of people don't belong to or lurk on breed specific forums, or even dog forums. The vast majority of people treat a dog as a possession, not a family member. The vast majority of people could care less about proper training techniques and the proper use of equipment.

People have different interests in life. For us, it is taking proper care of our animals and researching as much as possible on the subject and having conversations surrounding our animals, and others animals. For example, this could have been a video of a mechanic doing work on a car, and a similar thread would go on in a car forum on the merits of what he was doing.

I agree that everyone who has animal(s) should have to pass a basic test first and therefore have a general knowledge of pet care and training but Joe Smo walking down the street doesnt know 50% of the knowledge that people on this forum have at their disposal. It is aggravating but as the saying goes different strokes for different folks...
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People definitely abuse the comment section whether it is a video on youtube or an article in the newspaper. The article in the newspaper could be about a women dying violently by her husband and I swear you can always count on a few idiots to post comments thinking they are being funny or "smart."

I think on youtube you can disable the comment section (?)

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Yes, the poster can disable comments but I guarantee you this worman never in a million years thought people would completely abuse it the way they did. She thought she would get a few 'what is the dog doing can i have some information :S' posts but never thought people would jump down her throat. I'm sorry to say it, and it is generalizing and I'm a horrible awful person but the woman in the video looked older and from what I have noticed most older people do not understand the internet. They don't understand that someone who is completely nice and polite in person becomes a horrible troll/etc on the internet because you have the luxery of really, being whoever you want behind a screen. And most people don't understand why someones demeanor would change so readily just because a screen exists and the conversation doesnt exist 'IRL'.
Being a faceless person for some people=can get away with murder.
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I think there's a big difference between a normal rottie purr and this video though. That dog looks very uncomfortable, and the links you provided also say to look at body language as well as what's coming out of the mouth... and then talks about how to change the behavior. and I don't see how anyone can think that the body language being displayed looks like that of a calm, happy dog... the dog looks extremely tense, doesn't move a bit, and seems very standoffish. In this situation, the woman is taking a rescue dog that judging by the looks of it has been through god knows what, and putting it in an extremely submissive position for a long time. just like with the dobe "smile" you have to look at the body language, not just the face, or what's coming out of the mouth.
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My rottie grumbles when he's getting affection but his posture is nothing like this dog. Bear will be totally relaxed and really leaning into me when he grumbles, not stiff like that.

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My rottie grumbles when he's getting affection but his posture is nothing like this dog. Bear will be totally relaxed and really leaning into me when he grumbles, not stiff like that.
exactly... seems bad in the vid...
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Yeah the second Rott doesn't look like he would rather eat the person doing hugging.

But I still don't get why the first video put her finger in the rott's mouth.....so weird IMO!

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Yeah the second Rott doesn't look like he would rather eat the person doing hugging.

But I still don't get why the first video put her finger in the rott's mouth.....so weird IMO!

I thought she was doing that to "prove" that he wasn't "purring" out a warning, but was loving the attention. Kinda of a "See? He could snatch my hand off if he was seriously growling". My Rottie/Pit girl smiled, but you could see the whole dog....from shoulders back she was happily wiggling....I've been met by smiling dogs in strange places, and I can tell ya....if the ONLY thing smiling on the dog was it's face....I wouldn't move forward to give it a nice pat.

I'd like to see the dogs demeanor before or after....cuz basically this vid was just a few moments in time....

I never read the comments...I got caught up in the tension of watching....

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