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Ad promising immediate certification for emotional support dogs on FOX news website

Fox News has a "sponsored ad content" banner on their website (as so many websites do)

One of the ads was for supportpets.com

It reads
"LEGALLY BRING YOUR PET

ANYWHERE & EVERYWHERE YOU GO!"


It takes you to the Support Pets website which carries on from there:

"Get an ESA Approval Fast!

Click to qualify instantly

* Federal Laws Protect Your Rights"


And so on.



I find this sort of "service" disgusting because indiscriminate "certification" of unqualified and ill-behaved animals can cast a bad light on true service animals and may lead to the those who truly need a support animal losing that privilege.

I sent a complaint to the Fox website about this ad via https://www.foxnews.com/contact

I'd like to encourage any of you folks who feel the same way I do to send them one too.

Maybe we can get them to remove it.
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I made a complaint also. In addition I sent them this. https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service...0hWS-pLJIooZP8
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DEFINITION OF A SERVICE ANIMAL
Q1. What is a service animal?

A. Under the ADA, a service animal is defined as a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability. The task(s) performed by the dog must be directly related to the person's disability.


CERTIFICATION AND REGISTRATION
Q17. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified as service animals?
A. No. Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, as a condition for entry.


[B]As most of the times - I'm lost here ! ( [a service animal is defined as a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability.) YET then it says this ( Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, )

Somebody help this farm boy out 9/B]
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This hits particularly hard, as I went to the city office last night to renew Nadia and Vanya's licenses. Vanya had no issues.
Nadia - I had to show proof she is a registered purebred animal, that I have a registered kennel name and am a member of the Canadian Kennel Club so that she may be allowed to remain intact and I had to assure them I would not be breeding in Montreal proper.

Then came the real infuriating part. She is a service dog and was registered as such last year. The city updated its system and discarded most of the information on file including the proof I had from my healthcare professional. I had the letter with me.

The young man said I needed a card or proof from a training org, and said that in Quebec basically only MIRA was recognized. His colleague recognised me and remembered Nadia just from my face and the description (even though I didn't have her with me) and even tried to plead with him on my behalf. Refused to grandfather her in, insisted that he had spoken to the woman from the city office that day and she had told him it's basically impossible.

MIRA trains primarily guide dogs and some mobility dogs and maybe some autism service dogs. MIRA has a massive breeding program, pumps out a lot of dogs, and their training methods still produce a high washout rate in spite of that. They use harsh methods and many times 'extinguish' the dogs. I have friends with guide dogs from smaller foundations, that come from outside the province. More importantly since they don't try every kind of SD, the city is basically ruling out all medical alert dogs, most psychiatric service dogs, deaf service dogs etc. This is a huge blow to the SD community.

I was upset and explained that this is illegal and akin to refusing someone access to a wheelchair ramp because the wheelchair isn't the right brand. I refused to pay for the license. The man's colleague who remembered me said if I got inspected by animal control, to explain the situation and let them know my request was pending. She also suggested I get one of those certifications from the USA. I told her those weren't legit and explained that they're essentially a scam that ends up hurting real SD team, because they're advertised to owners of untrained pets. Also they misrepresent service dogs and make businesses and people think that all service dogs have an ID card like this. Which they don't. They aren't required to.

Went home. Called my family to let them know what was happening. Cried - and of course Nadia immediately started tasking, ironically, and I thought to myself they had to guts to imply she is not a real service dog.

Some might wonder why I didn't go ahead and just pay the license? It's the principle of the matter. If the city gets to decide which SDs are legitimate and which aren't, then it trickles down. Establishments start refusing the dog on the grounds the city doesn't recognise it. Landlords refuse housing. Furthermore it is insane that you wouldn't grandfather in a 5 year old dog, or put out any kind of warning or information. They sent renewal letters, why didn't they look at Nadia's file, see she's an SD and warn me ahead of time? Do they not realize how much time it takes to train an SD and you can't just go and get another one on short notice? It screws over a lot of people.

Now I have to find a lawyer and try to contest it with the city itself. Possibly also drop off a complaint with the human rights commission.

Shame on Fox.

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DEFINITION OF A SERVICE ANIMAL
Q1. What is a service animal?

A. Under the ADA, a service animal is defined as a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability. The task(s) performed by the dog must be directly related to the person's disability.


CERTIFICATION AND REGISTRATION
Q17. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified as service animals?
A. No. Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, as a condition for entry.


[B]As most of the times - I'm lost here ! ( [a service animal is defined as a dog that has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for an individual with a disability.) YET then it says this ( Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, )

Somebody help this farm boy out 9/B]
This is because a service dog does not need to be trained by a professional, doesn't need to come from a specific organisation, or be a specific breed. Nadia, or Jazi's Creed for that matter are both Handler Owner Trained. A friend out in LA has an Autism Service Dog who is also a Medical Alert dog. Her partner trained him.

When someone walks into an establishment with a service dog, per ADA rules the dog doesn't need any kind of identification or visual indication that they are a service dog, either.

So how can you tell who is a service dog?
The Establishment is allowed to ask the handler two questions.
1. Is this a service dog?
2. Is this dog trained to perform specific tasks?
That's it.
If the dog is being disruptive, unruly or the handler cannot regain control, the establishment is allowed to ask the team to leave.
The dog HAS to be trained, but you cannot request proof of this.
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Boy Artie - That's a real pizzer right there !

The dog HAS to be trained, but you cannot request proof of this

That just don't make since to me ! Has to be trained - but don't need proof ? LOL
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Bacchus was trained as my service dog. I have a hearing disability. Since he is gone I am not only vulnerable but the quality of my life has taken a down turn.
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You can't request proof because the person who is disabled might be embarrassed or discriminated against if they are singled out and asked about their disability in public. You also can't ask the dog to actually perform his tasks, only whether he is trained to do some kind of task. There is some validity to those arguments, but...

I remember a time when I had to wait in line at the Social Security office for several hours (don't get me ranting about THAT). One of the women had an emotional "service" dog that she very proudly talked about with everyone--people (at least the ones who talked to her) were very sympathetic and understanding. But in the meantime, the little chihuahua ran loose under everyone's feet and peed on the floor a time or two. So infuriating.
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Oh, that just irritates me! The whole ESA thing, in my opinion, was a good idea at first but has become a scam. People claim their animal is an ESA just because they don't want to pay a pet deposit/rent when renting or they just want to bring in their animal. My adopted puppy-son (boyfriend's dog but I treat him as my own and refer to him as that) is a trained psychiatric service dog who helps my boyfriend with his PTSD and anxiety and yet people have come up to us to say that Tahoe is not a service dog just because of his breed. One lady even reported us, in Home Depot no less, about the "aggressive doberman" while her ESA dog kept barking and lunging at Tahoe who was doing his job and leaning against my boyfriend to keep him from having a panic attack. I, on the other hand, was struggling to keep my mouth shut but luckily, the manager told her that her dog was the one who was acting aggressively.
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Don't get me started on the ESA dogs and the definition thereof.

I'll be happy to send a complaint to Fox--their information sources are clearly stupid and haven't a clue what a real ESA dog (or cat) is and it backfires on all the people who do have trained ESA pets.

In nearly every store I'm in lately I see people with alleged ESA animals in the shopping carts they are wheeling around. All seem to be toy or close to toy breeds and most seem to have no manners and it irks me no end when I see a chihuahua peeling in the cart--sheesh--no manners--not even any house training.

And my well trained Dobermans are banned from a whole lot of places even though they've been a service dog for me for years--(if I fall, I can't get up alone and the Dobes all learn by the time they are six months old and tall enough to be of use to stand like rocks so I can hoist myself up via their shoulder).

And I can still hardly talk about a former friend who was bragging about having gone to an across the country show and had arranged to take her Dobe as a service dog in cabin instead of paying the price of shipping him as live cargo the way the rest of us do. That made me see red. That dog is not and never has been a service dog and talk about a way to end up with it being detrimental to all of the legitimate service dogs...

Grrrrr

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There is a woman in my neighbourhood who has a German Shepherd... ironically named Nadia, born the same date (I think even same year) as my Nadia.
She is extremely reactive to other dogs. It has now happened twice that her bitch has charged at Nadia. This woman in spite of this goes around the neighbourhood, brings her in everywhere and brags about what a great service dog she is.
The first time she charged she was talking about it just before. I let it slide because we were in a pet supply store, and maybe she behaves differently off duty. Gave her the benefit of doubt - and they are animals not robots. They are bound to have off days. Nadia was a good girl - just stared at her then looked back at me like hmm.. what is her problem? This is kind of beneath me. So I stepped between them while the owner scrambled and tried to grab and drag away her dog.

The second time though? My girl was in a down stay as I was looking at something in the toiletry aisle. I hear barking, roll my eyes but pay no mind. I don't hear an intervention. I glance down at Nadia and see she is still in her down stay, but her ears are perked and she is 'watching my back'. Suddenly from around the corner this German Shepherd comes charging, snarling and barking. Nadia jumps up and I immediately get between her and the other bitch. The owner calls her like six times as her dog is barking her head off and I'm standing between the two of them again. Nadia is on duty this time and like a good girl is doing her best to ignore but I can see she is definitely keeping a close eye on her... Owner helplessly asks where her dog is and I call her over... she shows up grabs her dog and apologises profusely. I told her the last time this happened was nearly a year ago, that if she is truly a service dog she needs to fix this issue or wash her. If I had been blind or physically limited I might not have been able to physically get between the two and protect my dog. If my dog had been a young dog this might have ruined her. If Nadia had felt the GSD was a threat it could've gotten ugly. If Nadia was any less better trained or better natured or just plain having a bad day it could've gotten very ugly.
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Thank goodness for the American Disability Act.
Imagine if the only people that could have service dogs was if they were certified by an organization similar to those that assist the blind.
Those dogs cost a fortune plus you have to go train with that dog for quite some time.
My studies found that IF service dogs needed to be trained and certified by such schools to be deemed a service dog ......many would have no service dogs at all.
Many people with disabilities have little money and a lot of medical bills.
So...the act define the rules of which we are to follow and set rule in place to keep others from bullying those that really have a disability that requires assistance.
Me, I have only 10 percent hearing in my right ear .
So since I do not hear equally in both ears I can easily lose my balance.
Also I displace sound.....I can her a police siren and think its coming from the rear.......when it is coming from the front.
Hoss is my service dog.
I keep documented correspondence from my surgeons on hand that explains my condition even though I do not need to prove anything.
But nowadays everyone thinks we are a fraud......because of those who are frauds.
Someone asked me one time after learning of my hearing loss...can’t you just get a hearing aide?
But with my type of hearing loss a hearing aide would not work......but why should I have to explain this to anyone?
Fortunately I live in a country where they have fully protected my rights to equal access without having to pay a fortune for schools and certifications BUT in turn for that privilege I Ensure that my dog is under control and obedient at all times. If my dog is not.....then I will leave ....OR we deserved to be dismissed from any facility.

Emotional Support Animals......I am sure they experience the same thing.
Irresponsible humans not tending to their responsibilities of controlling their animals.

IMO either category regardless of who trained the animal we are all sharing space together so we have responsibility to be understanding .......but it is also time for animal owners to step up to the plate and have an animal that is not being a nuisance to others.

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There is actually a man near Harrisburg, PA who has an ESA alligator. Yep, saw it on my local news. I was bitten by my 10 lb iguana a couple of weeks ago and that was bad enough. I would never touch an alligator.
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There is actually a man near Harrisburg, PA who has an ESA alligator. Yep, saw it on my local news. I was bitten by my 10 lb iguana a couple of weeks ago and that was bad enough. I would never touch an alligator.

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I work in media and worked for 21st Century Fox until they sold us to Disney. Since this was a sponsored post it was a paid ad by the company that offers these bogus certificates. Sending a complaint to Fox is good, but make sure you sent it to the right division. A local Fox station will likely have different standards than Fox News who will have different standards from Fox Sports which are vastly different than the Wall St. Journal (also owned by Fox).

I also suggest you complain to the company that gives out this crap, as well as your congressman and senator. This needs to be fixed at a federal level.
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The emotional support animals do not have the same rights as service dogs or mini horses. Only service animals (dogs/mini horses) can go where their owners go. A few years back the ADA was updated to remove animals other than dogs/minis so no more "service what evers".
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The emotional support animals do not have the same rights as service dogs or mini horses. Only service animals (dogs/mini horses) can go where their owners go. A few years back the ADA was updated to remove animals other than dogs/minis so no more "service what evers".

Here is a good, simple chart from Pet Partners.org website showing types and rights of working animals. (PDF downloadable) Lots of public confusion about subject. I have this chart available as a handout at Therapy Animal group visits we attend:

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There is actually a man near Harrisburg, PA who has an ESA alligator. Yep, saw it on my local news. I was bitten by my 10 lb iguana a couple of weeks ago and that was bad enough. I would never touch an alligator.
Have you seen the video of the guy with a “service goose” that he takes into Walmart?
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Have you seen the video of the guy with a “service goose” that he takes into Walmart?

He should be arrested. This kind of crap is exactly why people with bona fide service dogs get hassled. It is not cute, it is not legal and is a slap in the face to every person out there who has a disability and a service dog. Am I angry about this jackass guy and his goose.........HELL YES! He and his ilk make it harder for us.
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He should be arrested. This kind of crap is exactly why people with bona fide service dogs get hassled. It is not cute, it is not legal and is a slap in the face to every person out there who has a disability and a service dog. Am I angry about this jackass guy and his goose.........HELL YES! He and his ilk make it harder for us.
I fully agree and reading all the comments saying that it was cute made my blood pressure rise. I think I slammed my laptop shut and went outside because I was so annoyed! The goose was loud and honking at everyone and everything and I kept thing, “how is this allowed???” I was very tempted to comment, “and this gives people with actual service animals (I guess mini horses can be service animals as well but I have yet to actually see one) a bad name.” But I didn’t because I just didn’t want to raise my blood pressure even more.
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This One? (...there's more than one?)




Looks like the same guy. That alligator is going to get very large and dangerous. Iguanas can be tame pets too but they still have wild instincts.
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Have you seen the video of the guy with a “service goose” that he takes into Walmart?
No missed that one ugh.
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No missed that one ugh.
I don't recommend watching it unless you want to lose your temper and raise your blood pressure. The honking alone was enough to annoy me but just the whole video......slammed my laptop shut and walked out the room.
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