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New dog!! :) Not a dobe :(

It was my daughter's turn to pick a dog, so we went to the shelter and came home with this:










The shelter called him an Australian cattle dog mix about 2 years old. But he is big....60 ish pounds and 24 inches at the shoulder and he has a bob tail. Wiry wavy guard hairs about 2 inches long, some undercoat.

So what do you guys think he is?????

He's well behaved on a leash. He was surrendered because the owner said he was attacking their other dog and dragging him around by the neck; no injuries or blood drawn. The shelter thinks the owner may have been misinterpreting his behavior. We're wondering if it might have been too rough play or herding behavior from him, not true aggression. Probably the other dog didn't like it and was kicking up a fuss???


We do have a problem we didn't expect. The shelter says he lived with cats and he seems fine with our cat, not making eye contact and moving away from the cat if they're face to face. He looks a little wary and slants his head away from the cat, but with no sign of wanting to chase him.

Our cat was always a laid back fellow and bombproof in terms of dealing with all kinds of environments.

So he arches his back, puffs big time and does that cat growl thing--that's what we expected. But he won't leave the dog alone. He follows him around the room, stalks and sometimes attacks him...not just play, but a full fledged claws-out, hissing, etc attack. We had the baby gates fixed so the cat could escape if he needed to, but he won't stay on the other side of the gate! He slides under it, follows the dog around and attacks him if the dog gets within a few feet of him.

We're worried the dog will decide to attack back if the cat actually gets to him.

So we put the cat on a leash too when they are in the same room.

So what to do? Right now, we've backed off contact; we're walking the dog outside in the yard and past the sliding door, with the cat able to watch from behind a screen door. And he gets tuna fish there too, while the dog is outside and within view. We're doing the live behind a closed door thing and will also try feeding them on either side, switching territories, beds etc. The room the cat is in is my daughter's office, so she will be spending a good deal of time with him (and I get the dog). Tonight at least, the dog will sleep in my daughter's room with her and the cat will have free run of the house (which the cat is used to at night, because he keeps waking us up if he's allowed in our bedrooms). Anything else you can think off?

Do you think this will calm down?
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Very cool Melissa.

I don't really understand the "mix" thing. He looks like a Blue Heeler to me. So what? Maybe the dark head?

Every Australiaan Cattle Dog that I have ever known were very rough and tumble. Kind of a "stand their ground' kind of dog. That plus the innate herding and control instinct can make them "difficult".

Certainly no more so than Dobermans. They reputably are quite trainable with a good owner

This is interesting: Australian Cattle Dog - Information, Characteristics, Facts, Names

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Edit to say: 60lb. does seem a bit large for a Heeler. But heck, I've had 100lb. dobes. LOL
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Maybe he's a Warlock

He seems awfully well-behaved to me--quite a bit better than I thought he would be. We had him on a leash + harness; a rabbit ran by about 15 feet away. Yes, he charged out to the end of his leash, but I think it was a controlled thing--at least, I had no trouble holding him. I let him look for 10 or 15 seconds and had no trouble calling him back to me and walking away with him.

I'm waiting for the headstrong to show up. Perhaps it's a honeymoon period before the storm.

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She wants to run agility with him, and go running.

Maybe moderately calm is the part that made them think he is a mix.

His hair is wavy and medium length...that with the bob tail....maybe they think A. Shepherd? But he doesn't look built the same way...he's a little rangy for a cattle dog too, though, I think.

I'm thinking maybe there's some German Shepherd in there.
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She wants to run agility with him, and go running.
Perfect. BTW... I just looked up the Doggy IQ (trainability) of the Australian Cattle Dog. #10 out of all AKC recognized breeds.

For a frame of reference:

Border Collies are #1

GSD's are #3

Dobes are #5

Rotties are #9

Poodles, Labs and Goldens fall in between.

No surprise to me!

You girls have fun with this fun dog!

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He's very handsome and appealing. I can see why your daughter would choose him. Good luck with him!

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With that blue speckle pattern, there is ACD in there for sure. Maybe a mix, maybe an oversized purebred? A lot of ranch/farm ACD have their tails docked that I've noticed.


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Definately ACD.....I googled that ..picture matches your new pup!! Congrats...
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The shelter called him an Australian cattle dog mix about 2 years old. But he is big....60 ish pounds and 24 inches at the shoulder and he has a bob tail. Wiry wavy guard hairs about 2 inches long, some undercoat.
Ignore the size for a minute and the fact that he's docked and the coat texture, color and markings are right straight out of the AKC description of a blue ACD.

And in the United States there is a registry called something like The American Herding Dog Registry. I know this only because a friend of mine got a dog and I stayed with them when I was in California for dog show and we spent quite a lot of time looking at his dogs registration papers and the standard for a blue Heeler. One of the things I noticed on the pedigree was that some of the dogs behind him were dual registered AKC and AHDR--and one in the 4th generation was CKC, AKC and AHDR. The purpose of the registry was to allow mixes and non AKC recognized herders to be registered because they worked like herding dogs. Chuck's dog looked enough like your dog to be his brother. He was bigger than an AKC ACD would be (males 18-20" in AKC) but not as tall as your boy--I didn't measure him but he was probably 22 or 22.5". And he was docked.

The history of the ACD as written as the forepiece to the AKC Standard is interesting mostly because the crosses made to achieve the AKC (and Australian registered similar dog) seem pretty well documented . Blue Heelers seem to have been one of the earlier crosses and were called Blue Heelers in many parts of Australia. But they were known in Queensland as Queensland Heelers or Queensland Blue Heelers. In Australia they are often called any of these names but the registry there is the ACD registry.

I don't see German Shepherd at all as a possible cross--he looks to me to be an oversized ACD or one of the closely related breeds that the "other" registry recognizes.

I know some people in this neck of the woods who have been breeding ACD's for years--their dogs are tough, can be scrappy (they don't take much guff from other dogs) but since the were intended to work in packs, groups or at least pairs as herders they are more tolerant of bunches of dogs than your average working dog would be. (Certainly more so than Dobermans.) They are very trainable if you can work around some pretty hard wired drive to herd things.

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I think he's ACD--if he's crossed with anything I'd think it was a cross to something bigger but several generations back. But my Aussie was oversized and about half of the Aussies showing when he was shown were oversized. He was just a hair under 24" and weighed a solid 63 pounds. And when I was back east and going to show back there the first year that Aussies were out of the Misc. class there was an amazing mixture of types --the ASCA Aussies who were working farm dogs were often very small--and the ASCA conformation Aussies tended to be BIG.

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He's well behaved on a leash. He was surrendered because the owner said he was attacking their other dog and dragging him around by the neck; no injuries or blood drawn. The shelter thinks the owner may have been misinterpreting his behavior. We're wondering if it might have been too rough play or herding behavior from him, not true aggression. Probably the other dog didn't like it and was kicking up a fuss???
These dogs are supposed to be 'biddable'. Sounds to me pretty much like puppy play not aggression at all. And ACD's play hard. One of the Dobermans as a puppy played horribly rough with my Aussie--talk about dragging dogs around by the neck--the Aussie just took it--it upset me and I've been watching Dobes play too rough with each other and any other dog for years--so the Doberman was always surprised when I yelled at him--the expression on his face was "But Henry doesn't mind--why should you care>"



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We do have a problem we didn't expect. The shelter says he lived with cats and he seems fine with our cat, not making eye contact and moving away from the cat if they're face to face. He looks a little wary and slants his head away from the cat, but with no sign of wanting to chase him.

Our cat was always a laid back fellow and bombproof in terms of dealing with all kinds of environments.
Has this cat lived with dogs or was he an addition after you'd lost both dogs?

Sounds like the dog has excellent cat manners.

I had a cat who didn't recognize anything except black and tan Dobes--it took a solid three months for him to get used to and accept that the red puppy I came home with was just a funny colored Doberman. On the other hand he (the cat) was very friendly to the Nubian goat that lived next door (and was slated to be the centerpiece of the BBQ that summer. ) But the goat was black and tan and that was before the red puppy so the cat assumed if it was black and tan it was OK.

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So he arches his back, puffs big time and does that cat growl thing--that's what we expected. But he won't leave the dog alone. He follows him around the room, stalks and sometimes attacks him...not just play, but a full fledged claws-out, hissing, etc attack. We had the baby gates fixed so the cat could escape if he needed to, but he won't stay on the other side of the gate! He slides under it, follows the dog around and attacks him if the dog gets within a few feet of him.
How long has the dog been there? This is basically a guess and I'll try to think of things that worked when I had cats that didn't like the dogs that were in the same home. Most of the time the cat got used to the dog over a period of time--took as long as 4 months in the case of one dog--who was so incredibly stupid that he persisted in laying in the doorway to the kitchen next to a big chair with fat arms that my cat liked to sit on. So the cat would be there when the dog came in and sit down right beside the chair the cat was on--my cat would extend all his claws and pop the dog on top of the head. The dog (a Lab mix) would shriek and run away and then slink back and try to sit by the chair--the cat would pop him again.

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So we put the cat on a leash too when they are in the same room.

So what to do? Right now, we've backed off contact; we're walking the dog outside in the yard and past the sliding door, with the cat able to watch from behind a screen door. And he gets tuna fish there too, while the dog is outside and within view. We're doing the live behind a closed door thing and will also try feeding them on either side, switching territories, beds etc. The room the cat is in is my daughter's office, so she will be spending a good deal of time with him (and I get the dog). Tonight at least, the dog will sleep in my daughter's room with her and the cat will have free run of the house (which the cat is used to at night, because he keeps waking us up if he's allowed in our bedrooms). Anything else you can think off?

Do you think this will calm down?
I'm inclined to think what you are doing will eventually cool things down. Usually I tell people to put the dog in an x-pen so that he can look at the cat but can't harm the cat or try to chase the cat--it's somewhat harder when the positions are reversed and you are trying to protect the dog from the cat.

One of the things that I've used when introducing a new cat to the household wasn't going smoothly was to pick a room and use a Feliway diffuser--the diffuser puts a calming scent in the air and I used it about three different times and it does work on cat x cat encounter and since the dog isn't doing anything except existing it might help your kitty calm down. At least enough to figure out that the dog isn't a threat.

One of our vets had a similar problem--all of her cats had lived with a terrier mix (about the size of a Smooth Fox Terrier) and the dog and the three cats got along just fine--the terrier mix passed away (old age--16 or 17 yo) and her kids wanted another dog (her oldest son who was smarter than all the rest of us told her if she didn't do it soon the cats would forget how to act around a dog--and danged if he wasn't right) so she took the kids to the pound and they picked out a little non-descript dog who was about 1/2 the size of the terrier--the cats had a perfect fit--none of them believed it was a dog and if it was a dog it wasn't THIER dog. She's on vacation right now but when she gets back I'll ask her what they did. I can't remember now.

Good luck with this...
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We just picked up the dog yesterday...so they're brand new to each other. It's just that the mechanics of keeping a cat away from a dog are quite different from keeping a dog away from a cat.


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....Has this cat lived with dogs or was he an addition after you'd lost both dogs?
We got the cat (Trip--because that is what he WILL do to you if you're not careful) as an 8 month old last year. He overlapped with Kip for a month or two.....but Kip by that time was pretty sedentary and he never really was a cat chaser anyway. I don't think Trip had to worry about any sudden movements from Kip. He did come from a sorta hoarder situation..one of 18 cats or so....so I don't imagine his owners had a dog


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I'm inclined to think what you are doing will eventually cool things down. Usually I tell people to put the dog in an x-pen so that he can look at the cat but can't harm the cat or try to chase the cat--it's somewhat harder when the positions are reversed and you are trying to protect the dog from the cat.

One of the things that I've used when introducing a new cat to the household wasn't going smoothly was to pick a room and use a Feliway diffuser--the diffuser puts a calming scent in the air and I used it about three different times and it does work on cat x cat encounter and since the dog isn't doing anything except existing it might help your kitty calm down. At least enough to figure out that the dog isn't a threat.....

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Sounds like the dog has excellent cat manners.....
As it stands now, most of the overt cat reaction is when the dog walks by Trip, even if he isn't really paying much attention to the cat. I just sorta assumed that the cat would keep his distance and find whatever safe spaces he might need....or even just stand his ground...but not that he would actually creep after the dog in a full alarm state (I'd never seen him arch his back and almost never even seen him puff up before) and then whap the poor guy if he has to turn around to pass by the cat.

Dog (who doesn't really have a name yet Supposedly he's called "Buddy", but really the main thing I've seen him respond to is that squeaky chirrup, tongue click noise) is active enough and moves fast enough, I can see where the cat would feel threatened even if dog isn't making any obvious moves against him. And we don't really know him well enough to know whether or not, even though his cat manners seem pretty good, he will suddenly decide he's had enough of that pesky snotty cat.


Incidentally, I'm not really seeing german shepherd in him either....just trying to come up with a reason for his rougher coat, more rangy build and a bigger size than the typical cattle dog. Also a little curious that he would have been handed in as a mix--seems like most people claim purebred status if there is even a chance of it.

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I've seen a lot of dogs that have been labeled as mixes by shelters that I've sworn were purebred.
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Did you ever see "The Road Warrior" (Mad Max 2)? One baddass dog!

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LOL--one of my top 10 favorite movies. Including the dog.

I'd be embarrassed to even tell you how many times I've seen it.
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I've seen a lot of dogs that have been labeled as mixes by shelters that I've sworn were purebred.
Me too, Rosemary...

Several years ago we got so many black and tan dogs that we were seeing for the first time that were adoptees from the big Portland shelter that we swore that they must have someone working intake I.D.'s who only knew one breed that was black and tan. They all came in as Rottweiler X's.

One of our favorites of the alleged Rott 's was a smallish puppy--around 5 months old we thought. I looked at him and said asked the guy who brought him if he really thought the dog was a Rott X. The guy, turned out he hadn't been present at the adoption, said that's what his wife and kids said and wondered just how big the puppy was going to be. I told him to ask the vet when he got in--but that I didn't think the pup was actually a Rott X.

That was OK with the guy--he'd been hoping for a smallish dog not something that might be growing to Rotty size. I looked again at the puppy and told him that it sure looked a lot like a Cocker Spaniel and that they certainly did come in black and tan--found a picture of a Cocker in the AKC dog book and showed it to him.

Over the next 18 months or so I saw them occasionally and the puppy grew to the size of a Cocker Spaniel and was mostly just a hairy blob--not really identifiable as anything in particular. So it was pretty much a shock when the guy came in with the dog fresh from being groomed--he'd been very well groomed and trimmed as a ready to show Cocker Spaniel.
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LOL--one of my top 10 favorite movies. Including the dog.

I'd be embarrassed to even tell you how many times I've seen it.
I watched it in a theatre 5 times the first month it was released. That Halloween I dressed up as Max and I NEVER costume up for anything.

Probably one of the best intro's and exits of any movie ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q

Followed by:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hUrcGCQV1g

Ended by:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcK8FLGx0fo

Sorry bug... I know you can't pull this up but maybe some "Road Warrior" neophytes can.

This movie set the absolute standard for apocalyptic films.

I am Max...

STJ!

Edit to say... It blew the Cannes Film Festival away. Very controversial.
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The puffing has died down considerably....in fact, right now cat is asleep in his bed on an armchair and dog is sacked out on the floor maybe 10 feet away.

A bit of a stink eye and still a few whapping toenail extensions from time to time, but there is definitely light on the horizon.

Training might be a challenge....he's not food oriented at all. But actually he has very little appetite---maybe it's a stress type thing--he's apparently been in two shelters on the way here...he has no GI symptoms and he will see the vet Thursday, so we'll see.

And considering he's a well behaved dog in general and does a decent job on leash, he doesn't seem to know ANYTHING. Sit! Huh? Down! What?
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The puffing has died down considerably....in fact, right now cat is asleep in his bed on an armchair and dog is sacked out on the floor maybe 10 feet away.

A bit of a stink eye and still a few whapping toenail extensions from time to time, but there is definitely light on the horizon.

Training might be a challenge....he's not food oriented at all. But actually he has very little appetite---maybe it's a stress type thing--he's apparently been in two shelters on the way here...he has no GI symptoms and he will see the vet Thursday, so we'll see.

And considering he's a well behaved dog in general and does a decent job on leash, he doesn't seem to know ANYTHING. Sit! Huh? Down! What?
Try "Bring me the sheep...."

Or... "Eat the Gyro Copter guy...."

It's a different culture.

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The puffing has died down considerably....in fact, right now cat is asleep in his bed on an armchair and dog is sacked out on the floor maybe 10 feet away.

A bit of a stink eye and still a few whapping toenail extensions from time to time, but there is definitely light on the horizon.

Training might be a challenge....he's not food oriented at all. But actually he has very little appetite---maybe it's a stress type thing--he's apparently been in two shelters on the way here...he has no GI symptoms and he will see the vet Thursday, so we'll see.

And considering he's a well behaved dog in general and does a decent job on leash, he doesn't seem to know ANYTHING. Sit! Huh? Down! What?
See--time is your friend--and theirs.

Training--you know what--it occurs to me that a good many working type herding dogs (those actually trained or partially trained) are trained for hand/arm signals and/or whistle signals. I don't really remember anything much considering all the herding trials I went to when I was in Vermont. I think (man, this is just really foggy memory) one of the signals for down at a distance is similar to the distance signal sometimes used for a drop on recall--arm straight up in the air from your shoulder. Move to my right--an overdone broad sweep of your right arm to the right. Move to my left--an equally overdone broad sweep of your left arm to the left.

I remember none of the whistle signals. I know there are a couple of books on herding breeds that include information about training herding but I gave all my Aussie books to a friend who thought she wanted to show an Aussie and compete in Obedience with him--didn't work out--she and her husband started having kids and after one Aussie she went back to Dobermans.

The thing about not seeing true personality of rescue dogs is true for all breeds. If he's been through two rescues before you got him and he's around 2 he's going to be polite but probably slow to really warm up. Also he may just not eat as much as you might expect. Aussie's, Cattle Dogs, many of the working Retrievers are easy keepers and turn into blimps if they aren't actually herding or hunting because they just don't need as many calories as Dobes, who tend to be the epitome of the NOT easy keeper do.

If he had been trained even partly with signals you'll end up needing to train him from ground Zero. One nice thing about herding dogs is that they are usually a good bit better about working at a distance than some other breeds.

Keep us posted...
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The shelter called him an Australian cattle dog mix about 2 years old. But he is big....60 ish pounds and 24 inches at the shoulder and he has a bob tail. Wiry wavy guard hairs about 2 inches long, some undercoat.

So what do you guys think he is?????

He's well behaved on a leash.
Congrats MEL on the rescue Buddy, what a sweet & good looking dog.
- the manners & leash part is real good / not so much on your voice command
- maybe he was trained, Not in english
- an old friend knew of a rabbit hunting dog, that became the top rabbit dog in the county
- but owner had to learn German, before the dog showed smarts
- dogs that have work to do, dogs out in the field...not often treat trained, they just expected to just hunt
- such a breed, typically has longivity
- your daughter, made a wise choice
- glad the cat thing, starting to work out
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Congratulations Mel! He is adorable!
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He is totally lovely.
Sometimes change is good.
Here's my 2 cents. You have done such a wonderful job with Kip & Capri.......a loving, respectful, well behaved (ok, except for the sock eating).....after living successfully with Dobermans I think any dog will be easier
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Maybe he's a Warlock

He seems awfully well-behaved to me--quite a bit better than I thought he would be. We had him on a leash + harness; a rabbit ran by about 15 feet away. Yes, he charged out to the end of his leash, but I think it was a controlled thing--at least, I had no trouble holding him. I let him look for 10 or 15 seconds and had no trouble calling him back to me and walking away with him.

I'm waiting for the headstrong to show up. Perhaps it's a honeymoon period before the storm.
Yep!

Warlock Aussie, for sure!
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Great looking dog!
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Looks a lot ACD to me, but what do I know?

I know more about cats, and I'd say the cat is in the "I'll get you first" stage, but it's promising that kitty is calming down (somewhat) already.

There's no conclusive evidence that Feliway or other calming stuff works, BUT, it may not hurt. I've found the diffusers helpful. You might try a couple of diffusers in a few rooms that kitty is most likely to spend time in - if you can, I'd probably do multiple rooms. They aren't too terribly expensive on Amazon with Prime shipping, or, all the local stores tend to carry them if you want to pick some up immediately. They also do make calming collars for cats that seem to be hit or miss - you could certainly try that, too, if your cat will tolerate a collar. They look a lot like a flea collar, and you trim the excess off. They last a month. You can find them in the same section of Petsmart - they are made by Sentry.

I know the cat is initiating, and you may have to keep kitty separated, but as with all cat/dog homes, I personally recommend creating as MUCH vertical space as possible for a cat - TALL cat trees where a cat can escape and observe a dog safely, a "cat only" room that is gated off for cats to eat and have their litter box without being disturbed, etc. The more "cat" territory you can create where a cat doesn't feel stressed by the dog the more the cat will feel comfortable. I think, in addition to time, that may help this kitty with a more active dog in the house.

I might also try the x-pen or crate idea - put dog safely in with a chew/Kong or something so dog is nicely occupied/distracted so kitty can investigate at kitty's own pace (and also not hurt the dog and create negative associations for the dog!). I'd be feeding the cat as many high value foods as possible in these set-ups...if you can get the cat out nearby for tuna, or cheese, or something kitty likes, you can start building that positive emotional response to the presence of the dog, and if the dog ALSO has a good chew, they'll both be doing that...

Good luck, and congrats!
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