Mel--see I told you he was a Cattle Dog (I know, I know I didn't give his whole breed name--Australian Cattle Dog)
(Remind me to not sign off like that again...)
Boy, I'll say he doesn't have a present day German Shepherd build---but back towards where the ACDS were being established--turn of the last century--they were not nearly as long and low as they are today. I'd vote for the Australian Shepherd--the breed as we know it today is an American breed but it came to the US with Basque sheep herders and while you'd get a little more size with an Aussie (the top of the ACDL standard for males is 20 inches--top of the Aussie is 24")--but the standards here are both AKC and I don't like that the top of the Australian standard is for ACDS. Aussie could very well account for the longer coat and wavy is allowed but straight is preferred and I can tell you that the outer coat on a good Aussie is harsh, very waterproof and definitely all weather. And the show coats you see today are recent--the dogs working for Ranch titles are smaller and much less hairy)
Does that mean I'll have to tell SP she's right???
Collie would also add size but it would have had to be much earlier collie--todays collie's are identified by that long narrow head.
There's definitely no Collie head there.
Though I gather the Collie was one of the founding breeds.
See above--also neither Collies nor German Shepherd had coats as long as they are today--back in the day...
I don't think so either. If you use the picture you had here you can't tell with no background what size he is. There are a lot of oversized ACDS and a lot of oversized Aussies around and I know of an Aussie with a PAL who was easily the size of an adult male Doberman (around 26"--but looked bigger because of the coat--could almost have passed for a Bernese except for the docked tail) I'd assume that behind them both was something taller--GSD, Alsation which was also around as the French version of the GSD and the French insist is a different breed. The collies.
The docked tail.....as far as I can tell, his tail is naturally short...maybe. At least, he doesn't appear to have a scar, but that might not mean anything, I know.
I gather even the AS sometimes has to have his tail docked for show because it's not quite the right length, but the ACD is supposed to have a tail? And that ranchers sometimes dock the tail because they think it makes for less trouble in a working dog??
Anyway, if I went for a PAL, would I have to explain the tail to them? (As in tell them his tail has been docked.)
Or would they just assume it is because he's been a working dog?
I was successful eliminating the problem of biting because I got the Aussie at 10 weeks--by that time he'd probably learned from both his mother and his sister--the breeding was keeping her--not to be biting hard! At least not if you weren't a sheep or a cow. (Aussies aren't supposed to bite geese if they are herding them). ACDS were bred to be tougher than the cattle they were herding--and from what I've been able to gather from breeders and literature--they were pretty much exclusively used for driving cattle.
Yes, the biting is SO much fun. I hate to tell people he bites because that sounds like he's vicious (and he's biting just for the fun of it
) but it sure is more than a nip.
Our agility teacher's heart dog was a Belgian Shepherd (just recently, at age 13, they brought her to the vet because she had seemed just a little "off", and got a sudden diagnosis of cancer. She was so down and out by the next day they decided to put her to sleep right then--with no time to prepare emotionally. The teacher had to hold back the tears telling us about that.) Anyway, she ran/runs other dogs as well. She said she used to come back from training with her hands black and blue, and even showed us a scar or two (minor, but still...) Anyway, she gets the biting thing, TG.
Yeah it is--I think the original stud book (the Australian one) was closed earlier than the Australian Shepherd one was. But AKC moved the ACDS out of the miscellaneous group several years before the Australian Shepherd was. The ACDS were accepted for registration n May 1980 and eligible to be shown in September of 1980. The Aussie lingered in Miscellaneous because the Australian Shepherd Club of America was fighting tooth and nail to stop the AKC from enrolling the Aussie--They had, had their own registry and closed stud book for years but the working dog side of the group feared that entry in AKC would split the breed (as it has a good many breeds) into show and working.
Yeah, I definitely can get into this kind of speculation...
We've been pretty much telling anyone who asks that he's a ACD/AS mix. Whereupon they look confused and say, "I thought he was a blue heeler". So that's as far as I go with it. Maybe I'll just tell them he's a Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog (yes, it's a real breed, for all you non-AB readers [though, do they come in tricolor?]) and see if they want to take it further. LOL