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Ha! I just typed out a really long PM to dobebug about it. I don't want to bore everyone. It's been about 2 weeks. I had one really good week (a HUGE blessing), then I've had one week of so-so...have been back to having a headache every day, but it's been pretty mild. Trying not to be discouraged and thinking it's not working, and really hoping I go back to having some more of those really good weeks again, so any good thoughts/prayers/vibes...whatever you have there is much appreciated. They do say that the second round of Botox (that's 12 weeks from the first) tends to be more effective so I will do another regardless.
We use botox for some of our pediatric patients.
Some of our special children .....have problems with drooling......they inject the salivary gland with botox........works for about 6 months.....great product.
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Thanks for the update MC ! BTW - It would NOT be boring to hear your story - as I know a few around here that has the same thing - To be honest -- My knowledge about Migraines is pretty small - And be 'n' a Doc - I like the education -

BTW - I have a few extra prayers left over from last Month and would glad to send them on to you

Keep the positive out look !! Doctors orders ! I truly believe that the mind is a powerful thing and with good thoughts - even in bad times - it still helps ! You ( MC ) will get better

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Thanks for the update MC ! BTW - It would NOT be boring to hear your story - as I know a few around here that has the same thing - To be honest -- My knowledge about Migraines is pretty small - And be 'n' a Doc - I like the education -

BTW - I have a few extra prayers left over from last Month and would glad to send them on to you

Keep the positive out look !! Doctors orders ! I truly believe that the mind is a powerful thing and with good thoughts - even in bad times - it still helps ! You ( MC ) will get better

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Well, I don't think most people with chronic illness like to talk about it all the time - no one want to be the "sick" person.

However, in the interest of education, there is "episodic" migraine, and there is "chronic" migraine, and both are neurological diseases, not simply a headache. I think it's a pretty misunderstood condition. Episodic migraine is when you have a few attacks per month, whereas chronic migraine is 15 or more migraine days per month. I used to have episodic migraine, and maybe 5 or 6 years ago it turned to chronic. What I have is basically pain every day - it never goes away. A "good" day means that I can only "feel" my head some...maybe a 1 or 2 on the pain scale. I don't really count those as a "migraine" day...unless the pain starts to creep up past a 5 it doesn't stop me from functioning, although of course at a 4 or 5 I don't feel awesome. Past a 5, I start to have to make accommodations. Once we're at 7+ I may have to leave work, and I definitely have quite a few that are 10+. Many many many are the worst pain I've ever felt, much worse than when my appendix burst. I can and have gone to the emergency room, but it's not enough pain relief to be worth the cost. There are a whole host of other symptoms besides simply pain in the head.

People with migraine often talk about "triggers" - things that they know will cause a migraine, but like many, I can't identify all of them, and some are just simply beyond my control (like weather). Some are things that people don't understand and may be unwilling to change (for example, scent is a HUGE trigger for me - strong perfume, for example - but many people don't understand how much this can affect people like me and seem unwilling to either reduce the amount of perfume/cologne they wear or simply don't care that it affects others.

This is a good read on what migraine can be like for many. https://migraine.com/living-migraine...nfid=sovh175sq

I'm happy to answer questions if you all want to learn more. I don't presume to speak for everyone with migraine or chronic migraine, but I can certainly speak to my own experience. But I also don't want to be a big downer....health stuff and especially chronic health issues can be really depressing - they take a big toll on the individual as well as their family and friends.


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Thanks for sharing Meadowcat - and if you don't want to talk about it - I ( we ) do understand

But always remember - we are your family too and friends And are here for you

Will read the article on this .

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MC - If I can ask - Do you have a Aura with your?
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My phone started to ring at 7:30 this morning and has not stopped ringing all day ! Had a early morning meeting - missed 3 calls there and recalled them - I got the phone on the charger - damn !

Di or MC - Can I call forward these to you gals to handle ??
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MC, thanks for posting the article on migraines....wow. I'd never realized they could be so terrible. I mean, I know a couple of people with the occasional one, and I know that they are totally miserable and completely out of commission for a few days during and after, but to have them constantly? You have my respect that you've been able to deal with them.

Complain all you need to. I've not had a migraine and I don't think can even begin to comprehend what it is like, but I do know what it is to have people not understand how debilitating something can be. I've heard that "snap out of it" argument before. *sigh* If only....
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No aura for me. Lots and lots of light and sound sensitivity. Often nausea, sometimes vomiting. I do get some "brain fog" or losing words type of stuff, very occasionally I am now getting some weirdness in my right eye (I'd say upwards of 95% of my migraines are on the right side of my head).


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MC, thanks for posting the article on migraines....wow. I'd never realized they could be so terrible. I mean, I know a couple of people with the occasional one, and I know that they are totally miserable and completely out of commission for a few days during and after, but to have them constantly? You have my respect that you've been able to deal with them.

Complain all you need to. I've not had a migraine and I don't think can even begin to comprehend what it is like, but I do know what it is to have people not understand how debilitating something can be. I've heard that "snap out of it" argument before. *sigh* If only....
I appreciate that, Mel. I'll reiterate that migraine isn't the same for everyone, and for many people they do just get "a few". The pain level can vary. Some people get migraine that doesn't involve a headache or head pain at all, but can involve other debilitating symptoms. I do try to educate people where I can, and when they are open to it that it's a very complex neurological disease, and there isn't actually nearly as much research or understanding of it as we'd like. Additionally, a treatment that helps one person may not help the next at all, so that makes it hard, too.

It can be difficult to help people understand why I (or others) limit what we do, or that we really are "sick" when we look normal. It's really hard for me to say no to a lot of things that I really want to do, simply because I know the price I'll pay if I say yes. As an example - I would love to volunteer at every Nosework trial locally - not only do I enjoy it, but supporting our sport means a lot to me. But if I say yes, that means I have to change my sleep schedule to get up earlier, and it means an entire day of activity that's a lot different than usual. It means probably being under fluorescent light or sun or heat all day, being much more active, etc. I KNOW that if I change my sleep schedule I stand a really really good chance of getting a migraine. Plus, lights/heat/etc...also a good chance. So, I can't volunteer - it's just not worth the risk of ending up in bed with a pain level of 9 for a day or two, as much as I want to. I risk that every time I enter a trial with my dog...I'm willing to do it for a trial (usually!), but...I just can't do it to volunteer. And that makes me sad. But people don't always get that, you know? Because I sure look "normal"....

Here's another blog I like: https://migraine.com/living-migraine...nfid=sovh175sq
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MC i hope you get to really enjoy your good days when they happen , thanks for sharing!

Fla had a cold front come through and it is a very cold 62 degree. I do not think many of you understand how uncomfortable these temps can make life. I had to run back home and pull out the longs and a sweater . i will survive!
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WOW ! And I thought my Pain in the Azz Sister was bad enough !

Thanks MC - The Doctor I go to has signs in there office to not to use bath soaps of wear smelly water - No idea that it could cause problems to this magnitude .

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It's the "good" days and bad days aspect that gets to me. No predictability. The "but what if..." part of trying to commit to something. And then there's the "hurry up and do it right now because now's the time when I can" thing which means that I end up doing something like vacuuming at 4 AM. Because otherwise (actually usually) it's just not going to get done.

On the other hand, it is amazing how much of the everyday junk we fill our lives with can actually be left undone and let go of...if you can manage not to feel guilty because you HAVE to let go of those things. And provided you don't have to listen to other people dumping on you because you aren't up to something.
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Catching up here--having missed a day (3/31) meant I had to go back and read the prior stuff to figure out what was going on.

(I still don't know what was going on but that's because of me not because of the posters)

Kenny--in my long ago world a beer bong had nothing to do with a funnel (in fact I don't think the guys who had the beer bong contests even knew what a 'funnel' was. Any way it was a can of beer with a pull top and (I can't remember which way it went) either you pulled the pop top and punched a triangular hole in the bottom side (with one of the old fashioned can keys) or vice versa--did the bottom hole first and then pulled the pop top.

Hmm--must have been top first (because I just realized that the whole contest predated pop tops--and everyone had those church keys) so they punched a hole in the top first, put their thumb over it and punched the bottom hole--moved their thumb and if they managed to get their mouth over the bottom hole in time the whole can of beer would try to decant itself causing them to cough, snort beer out their nose and end up with most of it on their t-chirt. That's what I know as a beer bong.

Mel--I have used Kenny's solution to getting rid of perennial weeds like the thistle with round up--for which you don't have to have a permit (at least here in Oregon--and we are so 'green' that we usually are first the first to identify plant and animal problems--as invasive non native stuff and regulate against growing, owning or otherwise having them--recently got a door to door guy who wanted to tell me all about how BAD Roundup was for the environment and get me to sign a petition to legislate to ban it's sale in Oregon).

I don't have any thistle in my yard (I did but I got rid of it the first year I lived here--painted the top of the big ones and in the front yard I could paint the whole plant and they were gone in one season. Took longer in the back since I had to be more careful because of the dogs--and squirrels but I'd have been happy to paint the squirrels if I'd been able to catch them)

But what I do have that I'm still slowly getting rid of is something that looks like an overgrown kind of dandelion--grows a flat rosette of dandelion looking leaves and if I see them and paint them that's the end of it--but if I don't the danged things are a perennial and come up from any root that survives the following year. I should probably be more tolerant since during the four dry months in Portland the lawns go dormant and actually look pretty nice in a flat brown way--but it I've missed a bunch of the dandelion like weeds they will be green through the whole summer and make the lawn look terrible. And their flower stalks, when moved down are like the thistle--owchy to step on--and that's the real reason I want them out of there.

I shouldn't complain really with minimal work what was not even something you could call a lawn in either the front or back when I moved in--even with dogs on it the back yard looks respectable most of the year and the front lawn actually looks good.

I just wish that I could bend over long enough to do some of the stuff that normally I get done around now but maybe the spinal/neurologist who I talk to this week will have some good news for me that doesn't remove my spine or something equally horrible--it's bad enough to be drugged sufficiently that my posts tend to look like the product of a fifth grader in a remedial English class.

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@ MC...

My mother had serious headaches her entire life since she was a teenager. Sometimes, it was a dull throb, other times it was a completely disabling migraine.

She hid it from us very well when we were kids growing up. She would "disappear" for hours at a time. She was very athletic. Played tennis and swam pretty much every day. Later I found out that helped somewhat.

Later she participated in a study in Boston researching the chronic headache issues. She was gone for about 2 weeks. When they changed her diet, her symptoms abated somewhat. She passed away a few years back. It seems she had to live with headaches of some sort until she died.

Well, we all have our burdens. I have mine and this was hers.

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WOW ! And I thought my Pain in the Azz Sister was bad enough !

Thanks MC - The Doctor I go to has signs in there office to not to use bath soaps of wear smelly water - No idea that it could cause problems to this magnitude .

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Hey Kenny,

One of the hard and fast rules that the vet clinic where I still work part time has a "no perfume or other highly scented skin products"--we have it because cats in particular are adversely affected by things like that. For us it's a firing offence--and we had a pretty good technician, when she was going someplace in the evening she'd evidently douse herself in perfume and whatever it was, was so persistent that if she didn't shower before coming to work she not only had trouble handling cats (who hated the way she smelled) but all of the employees could smell her.

She got three warnings and then got fired.

I hate it when someone is wearing a really strong perfume--the first thing that happens is my nose starts to run and then I can't breathe through it--talk about having to go blow your nose...

ABTLLHH--drugs are now a way of life...
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- we are a small & tight knit group here, so that helps a lot // I share "zero" on FB
- but I'm also aware that he is responsible on a weekly basis, to keep 40 staff employed
- and keep growing a business, with his business partner
- so I will be "the good dad"

Funny thing chatting, over a beer & cigar a couple months ago.
- I asked him, "what KSF he could identify, that made him uniquely different" ??
- Andrew got it / dad and him spent 6 years in a pool hall, almost 7 days a week...over 6 years
- so without a 13 y/o knowing it, dad was supervising a young teen, and assuming the role of best friend
- these teen years, was so easy to pass // and only playing in adult tournaments, allowed a competitive fostering
- and son grew up fast, gaining respect of his adult piers // and his communication style flourished
- maturing around other men, dads age +/-

Mom missed the 2 of us, out every weekend & evening, but she understood the sacrifice.
- and his Brown Belt training in Karate, starting in grade2...was when the bullying stopped
- and son could go to school, without running in Fear
- plus his travelling Baseball for 5 years, was another foundation in sports...that would prove valuable
- another Confidence boost

So sonny knows that Mrs67 & Papa Love & Trust him unconditionally // and he can talk to us, freely on anything (which he does)....and his Love for us, is equal.
- he respects and treasures, the sacrifices we've both made as parents...involved in gifting him a head start, in life
- but he has forged out his own self-employed career vs just a job, we are very proud of

Andrew's business co-founder MEL, gets Moms Shoei.
- the BF has a bike...she excited



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B67- It's obvious you're very proud of your Baby Bear...
Appreciate your comments SD - means a lot to Papa.
- child rearing here, was a work in progress / rather exciting, to break many book rules
- sports replaced boring school
- and we just went, with what felt right

2 guys at work use to argue with Beau, telling me "I'm ruining our son, not having a bed time curfew....LOL
- their young kids in bed, between 7-8:00 at night
- Andrew as a 2 y/o toddler, crawled up on Love seat @ 10 pm
- and by 10:30 Mom carried him to bed // it was her honor to do so
- my reply was // we enjoy him too much, to cut out time short together
- so every night, was a Fun time & he enjoyed our fulfilling attention

We never cared what his public or high school report card grades projected.
- the system bored Dad, from a distance
- son could figure this stuff out, when he was mature enough
- he excelled at studies, when he got to pick his courses & direction

So we responsibility knew // everything in Life will unfold, given the capacity process for critical thinking & correct timing !!

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Yeah..

Years ago when I was a "Gym Rat" (3-4 hours a day), several of us had to really push the club to ban perfumes and colognes. It was an old guard Golds Gym. I still have my leather and wool jacket with a likeness of"Ahhnold" embroidered on the back.

Most of my cleaning products are clearing fragrance free.

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Sounds like MC is a candidate for medical edibles........seriously .....it actually works for some........

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WOW ! And I thought my Pain in the Azz Sister was bad enough !

Thanks MC - The Doctor I go to has signs in there office to not to use bath soaps of wear smelly water - No idea that it could cause problems to this magnitude .

sleep schedule -- By getting up earlier ? or Later can do this ? or shorter sleep hours ?
Yes, the chronic pain clinic I use also has that rule...some people don't follow it. Sigh. But I do appreciate it. There are lots of conditions besides migraines that are affected by scent - people with severe allergies can really have a tough time too.

Sleep - if I go to sleep later, or get up earlier by more than about 30 minutes (an hour is pushing it), I will almost certainly get a migraine. It doesn't matter if I adjust slowly over the course of many days, either. When we went to Germany last year on vacation I was VERY worried that I'd have a migraine the entire trip, because of the time change (and a lot of other reasons). It's just one of my big things.

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It's the "good" days and bad days aspect that gets to me. No predictability. The "but what if..." part of trying to commit to something. And then there's the "hurry up and do it right now because now's the time when I can" thing which means that I end up doing something like vacuuming at 4 AM. Because otherwise (actually usually) it's just not going to get done.

On the other hand, it is amazing how much of the everyday junk we fill our lives with can actually be left undone and let go of...if you can manage not to feel guilty because you HAVE to let go of those things. And provided you don't have to listen to other people dumping on you because you aren't up to something.
Yes, exactly. It's hard to let go of what you "should" do. Sometimes all you can do is what's necessary. And sometimes, not even that. I'm incredibly grateful I have such a great husband. There are certainly days I can't get out of bed, and I have to ask him to please just take care of the dogs, feed the cats, etc. I literally could not do this without him. Not just for the "taking care of life stuff" stuff, but for the support. Being the partner of a chronically ill person is really tough - it's not what someone really signs on for, and your life isn't what you expected.

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@ MC...

My mother had serious headaches her entire life since she was a teenager. Sometimes, it was a dull throb, other times it was a completely disabling migraine.

She hid it from us very well when we were kids growing up. She would "disappear" for hours at a time. She was very athletic. Played tennis and swam pretty much every day. Later I found out that helped somewhat.

Later she participated in a study in Boston researching the chronic headache issues. She was gone for about 2 weeks. When they changed her diet, her symptoms abated somewhat. She passed away a few years back. It seems she had to live with headaches of some sort until she died.

Well, we all have our burdens. I have mine and this was hers.

John (AKA STJ!)
My mom, too, John. I always knew about her headaches, but looking back now, knowing what mine are like, I'm astonished how well she hid how bad they truly were. I guess she just did what she had to with kids and a household to run. I feel a bit guilty that I didn't do a better job of helping out, but when you're a kid you're kind of clueless.

I do think many of us have something we deal with, and we don't often talk about it.

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Medical marijuana is legal in MN. It does help some. It doesn't help me as much as I want it to


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When I had my hip and knee replaced, the mandatory pain mitigation drug was OxyContin. The pain was considerable. I was actually chastised by the orthopedic surgeon and my PT person for not using the recommended dosage. I used way too little.

I can't deal with opioids. Constipation, anorexia, mental discomfort. Ugh!

My wife, who has moderately smoked marijuana all of her life suggested High CBD low THC pot.

I really have never smoked marijuana. Don't like it. Makes me feel stupid and slow.

Still.. When push came to shove, I gave it a try.

I was amazed at the results. I cut my Oxy use by 3/4. I could sleep through the night.

Not perfect, but it was way better than what was prescribed.

So... regardless of what folks may say, it never became a habit (I have enough bad habits LOL) I have not smoked pot in over 1 1/2 years.

Still... IMO, its worth a try. Tried the edibles. I did not like them. Marijuana benefits while controlling the "unwanted" downsides are much more controllable by inhaling.

My biggest issue was not being used to inhaling. Now. however one can Vape.

Marijuana, both medical and recreational are totally legal here in Oregon.

And cheap!

So... Just my experience with pain and alternative pain relief

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B67- It's obvious you're very proud of your Baby Bear...


In order to prank the two CT ladies (Cuz & YKW), always drooling over pictures of BB, why don't you pick up one of these shirts for him to wear in a funny photo op?

(And don't tell the ladies- keep it QT...)







Gotta go and get Spocko ready for his "school" this morning....
Dammit!

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Dammit!

Di got to the baby bear before me!
SP - Yes LDi did // "the early bird, gets the worm"...


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So I thought you might enjoy the libretto of the Coffee Cantata, by J.S. Bach.
Perhaps it looks just a little long here, but the opera actually took 20 minutes (lots of repeats and frills to the music).

Blue is the father; red the daughter.

Narrator:
Be silent! Not a word,
and listen to what has occurred:
Here comes Herr Schlendrian,
his daughter Lizzie also there!
He growls just like a grizzly bear.
One moment and we'll tell you why.

Don't we have with our children
a hundred thousand muddles!
What I always every day say
to my daughter Lieschen
goes in one ear and out the other.

You naughty child! You naughty Lizzie!
Come! Will you never mend your ways?
Give up this coffee craze!


Papa dear, please don't be so cross.
Unless I make me a nice cup of coffee
morning, noon and night,
I soon will be a perfect fright,
an ugly dried up nannygoat!

Ah, how sweet coffee tastes,
lovelier than a thousand kisses,
smoother than muscatel wine.
Coffee, I must have coffee,
and if anyone wants to give me a treat,
Ah! just give me some coffee!


You naughty child! You naughty Lizzie!
Come! Will you never mend your ways?
Give up this coffee craze!


Oh yes, but coffee has come here to stay!

You irritating little monkey!
You cannot have that new outfit, so very nice and stylish.


That does not worry me one bit!

You cannot stand before the window
to see the people walking by!


No matter, but I still implore you
that this one wish you gratify!


You may be sure that I'll withhold
that silver brooch inlaid with gold,
that fancy knitted sweater.

Yes, yes, but coffee is much better!

You wicked Lizzie, you!
You are a devil through and through!

Girls with obstinate minds are not easily won over.
But if you hit the right spot, oh then you're in luck.
Now listen to your father talk.


Not coffee, for at that I balk!

Alright, while with these beans you're busy,
no wedding bells will ring for Lizzie!


Oh my! How awful! Not get married?!

I swear this is no idle jest.

Capitulation now is best...
Well coffee, here's goodbye forever!
I tell you now, I touch the stuff no more!


I'll find a man both rich and clever.

This very day, dear father, do it now!

Ah, a husband that's just right for me!
If only it could happen at once,
so that at last instead of coffee,
before I go to bed I could get a lusty lover!


Narrator:
Old Schlendrian is searching far and wide
to find man to whom to offer his little Lizzie as a bride;

but Lizzie announces on the sly:
"no candidate need here apply,
unless he makes an affidavit,
and writes it in the marriage contract too,
that he will always let me brew my coffee
when I wish to drink it."


All together:
The cat does not leave the mouse,
young ladies remain coffee addicts.
The mother loves her cup of coffee,
the grandmother drank it also.
Who can blame the daughters!

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