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If I were you, I would purchase an inexpensive, yet totally reliable shotgun. My 2 first choices would be a Mossberg 500 or a Remington Express. 12 gauge, pump action, 18 inch barrel and the largest magazine the barrel will accommodate. Usually 7 rounds and one already loaded in the receiver. I also prefer, for home defense, a simple shoulder strap and a pistol grip.

Me... I would walk my perimeter several times a day, armed, with never a harsh word. Friendly in fact. Remember Teddy R? "Walk softly and carry a big stick" ( The actual quote was "Speak softly and carry a big stick")

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If I were you, I would purchase an inexpensive, yet totally reliable shotgun. My 2 first choices would be a Mossberg 500 or a Remington Express. 12 gauge, pump action, 18 inch barrel and the largest magazine the barrel will accommodate. Usually 7 rounds and one already loaded in the receiver. I also prefer, for home defense, a simple shoulder strap and a pistol grip.

Me... I would walk my perimeter several times a day, armed, with never a harsh word. Friendly in fact. Remember Teddy R? "Walk softly and carry a big stick" ( The actual quote was "Speak softly and carry a big stick")

My motto for life.

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How close do the dogs have to be for that?

I hate this conversation, but it is happening.

What about a 410?
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You know? All one has to do is be a responsble pet owner and conversations like this wouldn't happen.
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Hi Denny, In my opinion, a .410 while better than nothing. is totally insufficient for home defense.

In answer to your first question, a clear bore (un-choked) 18 1/2" barreled 12 gauge has an effective range of around 20 yards, This depends upon the load and quality of the ammunition.

A standard 2 3/4 '' 00 12 gauge shell contains 9 pellets, slightly smaller than 9mm (8.44mm) For smaller people like you (and me), they now make Low Recoil shotgun ammo. I would recommend it.

I would also make a point of firing a 12 gauge Pump with a heavy load to see if you can handle it. If not, I would probably drop down to a 20 gauge. Still a very effective weapon on something the size of a dog at close range.

Finally, if you do end up getting a shotgun for home defense and you are unfamiliar with them or it has been a while since you used one, a gun safety class is essential. As shotguns (especially short barreled ones), at very close range, are basically at "point and shoot" Target practice is pretty much limited to getting to know the range and spread pattern of you particular gun/ammunition combination

However good technique and excellent safety habits are imperative.

By the way, I don't know about Oklahoma, but here in Oregon it is totally illegal to hunt with an extended magazine such as a 6 + 1. Plus as they are a short range, wide spread pattern gun, you would not want to. These are strictly self defense guns.

So here is the exact shotgun that I keep loaded in my home for self defense:

https://www.gunsamerica.com/93645086...New-in-Box.htm

The only difference is that I swapped out the standard stock for a pistol grip, which does take a little getting used to.

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I bought my Remington 870 pump (12 gauge), when I was 15 y/o.
- a great shotgun with smooth pump action & breaks down nicely for cleaning

I was more a rifle shooter and loved my Remington Nylon 66 semi .22 cal.
As a young teenager, I was like 140 lbs and not holding the shotgun correctly, got a big-painful bruise in my armpit, after 5 shells fired...the recoil was unreal and a custom rubber butt pad was added. Plus I changed the way I held my new shotgun (tucked more on the shoulder bone).
- better & more comfortable results, came with some experience
- a few rounds of Trap shooting, is good to...to speed up the learning curve & accuracy

John gives excellent gun advice / even shooting a 12 gauge first at a range, is an awesome idea.

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LOL Larry....

"I was more a rifle shooter and loved my Remington Nylon 66 semi .22 cal."

Mine was the brand new issue Remington 581 .22 bolt action. badass accuracy, even open sighted! I still have it.

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LOL Larry....

"I was more a rifle shooter and loved my Remington Nylon 66 semi .22 cal."

Mine was the brand new issue Remington 581 .22 bolt action. badass accuracy, even open sighted! I still have it.

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At 14 y/o, one summer I dropped 44 ground hogs plus a big Jack Rabbit...on family farm.
- the Nylon 66 weighs only 4 lbs., 8 ounces ... my favorite weapon, but hand guns now restricted up here

At 16 y/o, I was invited to winter hunt cotton tail rabbit / 4 guys and a borrowed hunting dog.
(dog was champion ranked, in working trials / without the dog, wouldn't have seen one)
- trecking through the snow, the experienced dog flushed 5 bunnies out...during that afternoon
- everyone but me, brought their 12 gauges...they all laughed at my little Nylon 66
- my reply: my rifle is very light, accurate & a semi...I'll likely get the first shot fired...LOL
- and I don't have to drag around an 8# shotgun, all afternoon
- I did get the first 2 kills, everyone else one rabbit each
- soon I was waiting to hear a few shotgun loads go off first, before squeezing my .22 trigger
- to level my unfair advantage / with a .22 rifle, I truly knew how to us, at a young age

^^ Made everyone a "Nylon 66" believer, during a novices first time out.
- and open sights, scope for babies...HeHe
- my father had a scope on his bolt action .22 / a rabbit Skunk once was a struggle to keep in view

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In 1959, Tom Frye, a field representative for Remington, set out to surpass Ad Topperwein's world record (set in 1907) of shooting 72,500 2 1/2-inch wooden blocks as they were tossed into the air while missing only nine. Frye used three Nylon 66 rifles and maintained an average pace of 1,000 shots per hour (one shot every four seconds) for 13 consecutive eight-hour days. When the smoke cleared, he had shot at 100,010 blocks and hit 100,004, missing only six! The rifles were cleaned only five times during the Marathon trial. The Nylon 66 was accepted enthusiastically.

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Beau and BJ,

You two are talking Greek to me.

I've shot a guns of some sort maybe 4 times. I am a rookie. I don't know anything about them. And, I damn sure don't know anything about cleaning them.

I am willing to learn. Just don't know who is going to teach me. Don't want The Mister to teach me. He is not a good teacher. It's sort of like which parent teaches the kid to drive, kind of thing. Did that make sense? It did to me! I am going to check out a shooting range about 4 miles from me and see if they offer my needed services.
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The DDN's called the Sheriff on me because I was trying to take pictures of my rogue chickens. I am now being acused of taking pictures of a minor.

The Deputy was very nice and informative. Guess I am going to have to get a game camera or security camera installed instead of a gun.

People are stupid.

They are not running me off my property. The next time, with evidence in tow, we will be in court at their expense.
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Denny... You are one pretty sorry-ass excuse for an Okie redneck chick.

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Beau and BJ,

You two are talking Greek to me.

I've shot a guns of some sort maybe 4 times. I am a rookie. I don't know anything about them. And, I damn sure don't know anything about cleaning them.

I am willing to learn. Just don't know who is going to teach me. Don't want The Mister to teach me. He is not a good teacher. It's sort of like which parent teaches the kid to drive, kind of thing. Did that make sense? It did to me! I am going to check out a shooting range about 4 miles from me and see if they offer my needed services.
BJ & Beau would have fun taking you out for target practice, if we were all neighbors.
- when our son was in Grade1, bedtime was around 11:00 at night
- and Dad started to teach sonny boy, how to safely handle my firearms
- we called it "Gun Night" and got the .22 and 12 gauge...laid out on the bed
- you touch the gun, next check for a load...rule #1
- taught him to load ammo & unload plus ALWAYS point barrel safely
- we use to point the gun barrel into the corner of the ceiling (our target), while sitting on the bed
^^ Almost 30 years later, he still laughs about this early gun fun.

Years ago, son brings over his date one night, we saw her many times...but this night was different.
- Dad took an empty Coke pop can outside with my .177 pellet Pistol
- the 3 of us was having target practice, almost under the dark of night...after midnight
- the young girl was from big city Toronto...she had a blast
^^ Latter she said to my son, your Dad is pretty cool...HeHe...she liked Gun Night to.
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LOL Larry....

I am sitting with a .177 pump air rifle not 5 feet from me. My first was a 22 cal Crossman.

We learned slowly.....

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Denny... You are one pretty sorry-ass excuse for an Okie redneck chick.

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I am not an Okie. I am a Kansan.

I am stalled here in OK.

And, my trashy neighbors suck!

Never had the problems I am having, in Kansas.

Okies, are geneally stupid.

NOT ALL OKIES!

Just my stupid neighbors.
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I wish we were neighbors.

You would all be fine by me!

I think?

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I am a petty fair shot with a recurve bow. Not one of those fancy compound ones with the pulleys and all of the sights and stabilizers hanging off of them...just a simple recurve bow.

And Iíve never hunted with it (not enough power or range); Iíve just done what basically amounts to target practice--at targets at an archery range, but also walking around and saying, ďIím gonna shoot at that clump of grass over thereĒ and hitting it...right in the center (without using any kind of sight).

But I donít think Iíd fancy shooting at a dog (or a neighbor) with it.
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I don't want to shoot any anybody with anything.

I just want dumb asses to grow a brain.
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Great! Now i have to figure out if I am moving to Portland, Colorado, or Canada!

This is too much pressure!

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You could commute--3 or 4 months in each place....so you won’t wear out your welcome It’s only about a 10 hour drive to my place, though the drive with a car full of chickens might not be so pleasant.
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You could commute--3 or 4 months in each place....so you won’t wear out your welcome It’s only about a 10 hour drive to my place, though the drive with a car full of chickens might not be so pleasant.
MEL ^^ U SAY A FUNNY !!...LMAO.

Growing up, on the farm:
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- bad Grandma was living with a 90# alcoholic sister, for a few decades
- drunk daughters health begin to suffer, so bG (aka = bad Grandma) had to be relocated
- luckily the family was large, so bG was peddled off to stay at each son or daughters house...1 month/year
- a couple of the sisters, had the living will rewritten...so they controlled matters
- bG came to our farm, one month
- she had bad selective hearing...often had to repeat ourselves 2-3x
- but when we talked behind bG's back, her hearing was perfect
- one day I came home from HS and put bread in the toaster
- I was making a cinnamon & brown sugar treat...while watching Bonanza on TV
- while I was buttering my toast, bG asked me a question
- so I turn around (to hear her better), holding a butter knife...all innocent
- the next day, bG got on the party line phone and told her favorite daughter that Larry pointed a knife at her
- a week later, the fake story had come full circle...and my Dad found out

^^ Dad told my mother, tell bG to pack her bags tonight...the Bit#h is getting re-homed, for good.
- so we drop her off to a sister, controlling the new will

2 years later, bG died & all the relatives came to the farm, for drinking & playing cards.
- I went to start up the Ski-Doo for fun with our cousins
- my mom said, it won't look good...neighbors seeing the kids, having fun during a wake
- I said BS, not keeping me off the Ski-Doo and we had winter outside fun...all afternoon & night

A few days later, the will was read...bG had squandered her farm money, while living with her drunk daughter.
- family was asked to chip in, and cover funeral expenses
- my father said, the executors (2 sisters) had the will rewritten and his wife plus others were cut out
- joke was / they got cut out of financial nothing
- so the 2 sisters had to bury the Bit#h...no financial win-fall

We also shared the point the butter knife story to the aunts & uncles, they knew I was a good kid.
- I became a hero, my butter knife innocence stopped bG from living with them to


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- you would like the cross country living...but we might need more regulars now, in this thread...LOL.
- logistics getting complicated / politically correct thing to say
- one month/year, might be OK to great...but 3-4 months each, not so sure...
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The thought just occurred to me, a simple slingshot might be just the ticket for your dog problem. Obviously, the dogs are getting close to you. With a little practice, hitting a Great Dane at 20 feet should be a snap. You can buy a bag of marbles pretty cheaply. That would sting a great deal at that range. Not deadly, but pretty sure the dog wouldn't stick around!
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LOL Larry....

I am sitting with a .177 pump air rifle not 5 feet from me. My first was a 22 cal Crossman.

We learned slowly.....

STJ!
STJ and NoBite are on the right track (hard to do in this thread)- Non-lethal and quiet.

My grandpa Fred gave me his 22 cal M140 Hawthorne Pellet gun (like Crossman Mod. 392) many decades ago. (from his favorite store, Montgomery Wards)
It is the perfect urban or rural non-lethal tool of choice for fending off strays and varmints from one's property.

Using 22 cal pellets with variable amount of pumps, you determine the effectiveness of the shot. Normally just about 5 pumps and a shot to the flank of any raccoon or other varmint will send them packing from a safe distance, without permanent injury, just a stinging, memorable, pain in the butt. (Less likely to penetrate than 177 cal BB's or pellets)

Another benefit is it is quiet and can be used on your property, even in a suburban neighborhood, such as where I live. It's accurate to, so you won't risk hitting Rocky or any of his Chickee entourage.
Save your stun flashlight for close encounters (you did get that, yes?)

You can still buy the similar model Crossman Model 392 22 cal pellet gun on EBay:
Crossman 392 Pump Air Rifle .22 Cal 392 | eBay

Note: 22 cal pellets can be lethal to small animals or even large animals if put in vulnerable areas, such as the head or face, or shot with maximum pumps.

Footnote:

Our previous dog, Nemo, a rough collie, used to sit out front on our stoop at our old house in Houston. One day, some mean kids shot him in the face with a pellet gun. The pellet penetrated his nose and exited just outside his eye socket, luckily missing his eye. After that, we had to get permission from the Gestapo housing association to put a wrought iron window in our back fence so Nemo could look out from the backyard.
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So many comments to think about today. I don't even know where to start.

Guess I better go mow!

You are correct, Spock. This thread IS hard to follow! No, I didn't get the Diablo, yet.

Melbrod,

It would be difficult to stay at different houses with my girls and Rocky, in tow.

Beau,

I would have been in line to inherit a farm, but my Bad Grandma squandered the money (ripped off the rightful owner) from my Grandpa.

I am still confused about guns.
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I wish we were neighbors.

You would all be fine by me!

I think?

On the other hand, if I visited you all throughout a spread of time, I would'nt need a Dobe. I would have all yours!

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The thought just occurred to me, a simple slingshot might be just the ticket for your dog problem. Obviously, the dogs are getting close to you. With a little practice, hitting a Great Dane at 20 feet should be a snap. You can buy a bag of marbles pretty cheaply. That would sting a great deal at that range. Not deadly, but pretty sure the dog wouldn't stick around!
I foresee a law suit because one of their goats choked on a marbel and died.

My neighbors are idiots.

And, now they have agressive dogs, chickens that just appeared, and the poor horse/pony (never seen an equine like that before), and the neighbors are idiots.

I feel better now...

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You could commute--3 or 4 months in each place....so you wonít wear out your welcome Itís only about a 10 hour drive to my place, though the drive with a car full of chickens might not be so pleasant.
Nobody wants me for 3-4 months at a time.

I will wear you all out in one weekend.

You all will lock the door and slouch to the floor after I drive away.
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