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We didn't see a single deer today (maybe too cold for them to come into the park?) or even a single squirrel, which is odd, so I ended up taking a couple of pics of my favorite subject





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I had never heard of this show until you mentioned it, but I'm glad you did...I really like it. It has humor, but at the same time it's quite dark (at least so far, first few episodes). And some, ok, all of the terminology they throw out there when they're doing their sales pitches goes right over my head.



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Even your selfies turn out amazing?! What's with that? I tried taking a selfie one time and ended up throwing the cell ph. across the room. Scared me so much.
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Even your selfies turn out amazing?! What's with that? I tried taking a selfie one time and ended up throwing the cell ph. across the room. Scared me so much.
LOL, Thanks...I have an iPhone X but mainly, I think it's because Mocha is there in the pic to detract attention away from my ugly mug
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I had never heard of this show until you mentioned it, but I'm glad you did...I really like it. It has humor, but at the same time it's quite dark (at least so far, first few episodes). And some, ok, all of the terminology they throw out there when they're doing their sales pitches goes right over my head.
It is very dark but one of my favorite shows in a while..
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Unreal. That made me lol so hard.

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Alan J---that is wonderful! I wonder how many takes it took for that guy to get it all out without tripping over his tongue?

TN--I don't know about your mug being a problem (looks OK to me)? But I think it's because Mocha looks so lovey-dovey that those picture work so well. #2 is definitely a keeper.
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I have been scrolling back to respond to Dobebug and found this from Mel. I thought a Chinook was only referred to in Washington State. Came from the Chinook Indians there. Means, Snow Eater.
So Colorado has Chinook winds too?
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Oops this was supposed to be an addendum to a post of Melbrods. hmmmm
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Get a mirror, look in thrift shops, etc for something fairly big and framed--find a place with a wall to lean it on and stand with your daughter as she stacks Bodhi--tell her what wrong with the stack. Go to DPCA website and look for Michelle Santana's series of posts on stacking--I think she called it Reindeer Games--and I think they put it under the breeder information. She has dozens of great how to tips.

I teach puppies a stand stay first and I avoid letting them grab at bait--they get too excited to stack well. Have her stand in front of the mirror and look to see if any of the feet are in pretty good position. If they are when starting out don't move any foot that is in correct position or close to correct position. When starting--settle for almost right--it keeps the puppy calmer and also gives them more confidence if you aren't always moving every foot every time. Don't start trying to bait into position until the puppy has some idea what position is.

Don't spend a lot of time practicing--even five minutes is probably too long for the babies--you'll only be in the ring and being looked at for about three minutes.

Teach a stay along with the stand. Once the puppy 'gets' stand stay then you can start teaching baiting into position.

Look in the puppies mouth daily--I can't remember--if Bohdi is male check his testicles several times a day--if a bitch go over her rear--puppy bitches are often reluctant to have their rears gone over. And just in case you get one of those judges who like to pick up a foot to look for a good thick pad on your working dog-do that with both front feet.

The major point of the mirror is that if you know or your daughter knows what looks correct in the ring from a distance they can then look down and see what the dog they are handling looks like to get the the same look from over the top of the dog.

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The mirror may be a problem. I may have to be the mirror.
She has pinch hit for me in the ring since a teen and younger and finished her first Ch when 13, but showing Dobermans is totally different than a terrier. Lots more finesse required.
I think the puppy class will be a good place to start. Placements aren't as important as a good introduction to the ring, and manners and having fun. She has been discouraged from even trying to show her own Doberman because of the competition with handlers, but you have to start somewhere.

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Yup...chinooks. They are worse the closer you are to the foothills and sorta depending on how the hills are shaped locally (some areas are just known for higher winds than others) The winds drop off fairly quickly as you move east out onto the plains. Boulder's winds can be massive, but where we are in the Springs they will gust up to about 70-80 mph a couple of times a winter, and even higher occasionally.

Temperatures go up significantly within just a few hours--from 20 degrees up to 55 is pretty common.

Fortunately in the winter trees don't have leaves to catch the wind, so there isn't as much damage as with the same level of wind during hurricane season down South. It is still quite uncomfortable to walk in though.
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The sun started peeking out some right around 9:15 and I said the heck with it, let's go! We did 3 miles today, I could tell Mocha was so happy to be on the trails Here are a couple of selfies LOL


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I have been scrolling back to respond to Dobebug and found this from Mel. I thought a Chinook was only referred to in Washington State. Came from the Chinook Indians there. Means, Snow Eater.
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Chinook's definitely aren't just a proprietary Washington wind. They call them Chinook's in North and South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Utah and Idaho too I think. Ooops I forgotColorado.

I first heard about Chinook winds when I spent the winter with my Grandmother--umm--that was when I was 7 so that was 1946. We had a really harsh winter--snowed on my birthday in October--made me happy--not the adults so much. Then in either late January or early February a Chinook blew in. Everyone was talking about it--Chinook this and Chinook that--I asked my grandmother what it as--she walked me out the front door and said--"This wind.."

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Yeah I'm still not 100% sure what she sees in me but damn it, I'm sure glad she does. This girl is my world.
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I did not know so many others knew about 'our' Chinook winds. Always looked forward to Feb when a warm Chinook would come thru and melt all the snow. First harbinger of Spring.
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Thanks for this reply, Bug. I have never used the quote button before. Weird. Yes, I copied out Michelles articles from DPCA. Excellent.
The mirror may be a problem. I may have to be the mirror.
She has pinch hit for me in the ring since a teen and younger and finished her first Ch when 13, but showing Dobermans is totally different than a terrier. Lots more finesse required.
I think the puppy class will be a good place to start. Placements aren't as important as a good introduction to the ring, and manners and having fun. She has been discouraged from even trying to show her own Doberman because of the competition with handlers, but you have to start somewhere.

And to your questions, yes, always more from your experience and knowledge bank.
Geeze. I kind of live and die with the quote button. So how old is your daughter now? Never mind--that really doesn't make any difference,

This stuff if specifically for your daughter.

Don't let anyone talk you out of showing your own dog. I was 20 when a friend dragged me along to a show--she had a Great Dane in the 6-9 class and while I wasn't terrible interested in Great Danes the next breed in that ring was Dobermans and I thought they were about as beautiful an animal as I'd ever seen (at that time I was trying to figure out how to buy an Arabian who was good enough show in halter classes--a futile dream since they were far far out of anything my saving account would cover) So the sight of those dogs in the ring inspired me to change my focus.

I wanted a Doberman--a black male. I wanted to show it. I knew nothing about shows, Dobermans, breeders--and of course no one knew me.

I went hunting for someone who knew who bred Dobermans--after a lot of dead ends I finally got the name of a breeder (who later turned out not to be the breeder of the litter she had--she owned the bitch but had leased her to the man who bred the litter and part of the price for the lease was that she got all the male puppies to sell--the actual breeder, who I didn't meet until somewhat later only wanted the bitches. The puppies were 6 weeks old. She had 6 male puppies--5 black and one red.

My friend with the Dane went with me. The lady with the puppies took the bitch out so we could look at the puppies. She asked me what I was going to do with the puppy--show it I told her. And I said I wanted the biggest black male. So she picked up the biggest black puppy and stood him on a shaky cardboard box and said "I guess he'll do..."

I might have known nothing but neither did she. She told me the puppy was $100 (this was back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and ear crops were $25)

My friend asked about getting the puppy cropped. She gave me two names and phone numbers. (what she was supposed to have given me was instructions to bring the puppy back on a specific date and the breeder would take the whole litter to a vet who did Dobe show crops) So the vets whose names and phone numbers I had were in Gig Harbor which was quite far from me--the other vet was actually pretty close. So I went to the closer vet and my puppy had the world's worst crop--very short with a huge bell.

This was not a good start. And my friend asked if I got the registration--uh, no.

Eventually the actual breeder started trying to track me and the puppy down--turned out that he was the pick of the black males and maybe the pick of the litter. Someone realized that one of the people who went to the same obedience trainer I went to had a litter sister and the breeders was going to have a little training class for any of the people who wanted to show their puppies.

That was sheer luck--Jim, the breeder was so glad to see me he could hardly be happier--he gave out the registration slips with a sheet of explanations on what to do with them so the registration would be in my name.

I got a book on Dobes. The obedience trainer was offering a conformation class on a different night. The puppy and I went to that. I got a show collar and leash--the puppy and I practiced. I figured if he knew what he was supposed to do if I blew it taking him in the ring he could figure it out himself.

I was really lucky--the puppy got recropped--the ears were very short but at least the shape was right and he had, even with short ears, a beautiful head. And practically every one I talked said I probably wouldn't be able to show him myself.

Sometimes it's an advantage to not know much. I was in the Pacific Northwest and at the time there were almost no Dobermans that weren't being shown by a professional handler. So knowing nothing, we went to our first show which was a 5 point major in dogs and my puppy went reserve to a half brother shown by my breeder. And the first words out of his mouth when we got out of the ring were "If you hadn't been hanging on to his muzzle every time you stacked him he'd have won--the judge really liked him ..."

We had a session about HOW to properly show a Doberman even if the Doberman is barely 6 months. What to do and how to do it. We had one of those after practically every show--there were several about how to keep a professional handler from getting his dog between your puppy and the judge.

The puppy's second show was a Specialty--he won--puppies didn't often win back then--it was a 5 point major and he went Best of Winners as well.

At that point people stopped saying I couldn't show my own dog--instead they said I'd never be able to finish him. And several handlers explained why it would be much better for them to handle him.

But there were handlers who looked at the puppy and the green as grass owner handler and showed me things to do when showing and one of the local Doberman handlers started giving me tips about judges and how to watch to see how they wanted the dog handled.

I finished the puppy in Canada when he was 10 months old with 4 Best of Breed and 4 Group 2's. He got the 5 point major in March of 1960 and finished in December with another 5 point manor (and a Best of Winners, Best of Breed and a Group 3)--he was 14 months old.

I found that I loved showing him in the classes---but I didn't much care for showing in the groups. His breeder showed him as a special for several years--he got Best in Shows in Canada and in the States. And I got another Dobe and people started asking me if I would show a puppy for them.

Everybody does start somewhere--and there are always a ton of people who are going to tell you that you can't show your own dog.

Yes, you can and you know a whole lot more than I did when I started showing dogs. So I was totally ignorant--I didn't know I couldn't show my own dog and just did it anyway. I really got lucky with the puppy I bought in the first place--it turned out that he was top quality--but it was only luck--he was almost finished before I realize just how good he was--I learned a lot from that dog. And I learned a lot even from the people who said I shouldn't show him and that I wouldn't be able to finish him,

Everybody's gotta start somewhere--so do it. Your mom was thinking that you should start him in the puppy classes--sounds like a good plan to me--most judges and even competing handlers are pretty nice to a new face in the Doberman ring. And you've been in the ring before--that will help.

I haven't shown my own dogs for some years now--I miss it, I had a lot of fun in the conformation ring and more recently I have played with them in the performance classes--also fun but my first love will always be the conformation class--with all those beautiful dogs.

OK Bonnie--that's my dissertation on owner handlers--most of the pro's that I know started out as junior handlers--and I remember them fondly as little kids --Dobes might take more finesse than terriers but the basics are the same--learn your dog, learn what makes him sparkle, teach him to love the ring and then go beat the handlers at their game.

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Good morning from freezing florida!
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Wolf whistle !!!! Hubba hubba ......what a couple of hotties!

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Actual 37 degrees outside .......quite breezy !
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Good morning ! it is chilly here as well - not quite as cold as yesterday 27 vs 26
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We have a “falling Iguana” watch out in florida today due to the cold temps.
Be real careful today AJ!
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Very nice Tn! What is the building behind you? First photo looks like an entrance....second not sure if same building but walls shown. At first just thought it was a large rock outcrop - but then the edges look too straight and the corner.
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Yup Di it was a little chilly this morning! We were at 30 early this morning should drop a couple degrees as the sun rises and hopefully a clear sunny day

I had a little work to do early this morning , these are know where near dangerous temps but we have not had many cold nights in the past few years so i have to make sure everything is doing what it is supposed to do plus i heat one range with water and had to get it started at 4:00 am...all is good.

The dogs love the cold , especially the doberman , so no coats here!
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Hoss is very pleased with Meadowcat this this morning.

Morning LaDi, is that picture of sleepy Hoss in HIS bed, or is he taking over HIS HUMAN's bed (again)?

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Was browsing Amz this morning and came across these two cute dog toys from JW Pets (one of my fav mfrs.).
For some reason, they both reminded me of the Chicken thread group?

Can you guess why?


Here's the Toy Pics...



Let's Call This One, "Toy L" ...






...And This One, "Toy S"

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Ten Doberman Rules
Poke Everything.
It's New? Bark At It.
Moves? Chase It.
Doesn't Move? Smell It.
Liquid? Spill and Dribble It.
Treat or Food? Wolf It Down.
Not Food? Chew It Slowly, Be Quiet & Hide From Human.
A Toy? Shred & Destroy It.
Stuffed? De-Stuff It.
Bites You Back? Wrestle It!
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