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Medium sized breeds for service dogs

My brother is looking for a medium sized breed for companionship and I guess kinda a service dog for his ptsd. I'm not fond of smaller dog breeds so I don't have any experience other than my pit/ doberman and my shep chow but you can't really take a pit to a Restraunt because people will discriminate because of the breed.

He was thinking a lab or a mutt. He's young and active. Any input that I could relay to him would be greatly appreciated. He's also talked about Aussie Shepard
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Pretty much any breed that fits well with your lifestyle can be a good pet and Emotional Support Animal. A Service Dog will require specialized training specific to a person's disability, so he would need to work with someone who has experience in training PTSD service dogs.

Federal law trumps any local laws when it comes to service dogs, and service dogs cannot be barred from anywhere simply based on their breed. There are two question that can legally be asked: 1) Is that a service dog? and 2) What tasks are they trained to do?. The tasks for a PTSD dog can include standing or sitting in a way that prevents other people from getting too close, alerting to a panic attack or flashback, escorting their handler to an exit if needed, or applying pressure, along with some of the more "usual" service dog tasks of picking up dropped items and the like.


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Pits are wonderful and having one as a service dog would really help improve the breeds image. They are so compassionate towards their people, sweet and loving. At the risk of sounding biased my pit is the best dog I could have ever asked for. She is sweet, quiet, very assured of herself, and she is very gentle with small children/pets. She is a total love bug but in public she could not be more at ease, and generally ignores people unless they offer a pat, at which point she will quietly accept and give a wag of thanks. I'm not sure where you live, and it may differ from area to area, but I have experienced very little negativity towards her for being a pit. Most people tell me they believe their reputation is undeserved, and then others that would've otherwise never come into contact with one are surprised at how endearing her character and attitude are. This always makes me feel good when someone who had only thought of pit bulls from a media based source comes along and walks away thinking it over.
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Out of all 3 of my dogs my brothers favorite is my pit.. I know your not supose to have favorites but it's a hard toss up between my pit and my dobbie. The pit shows emotion like a human shows love and compassion and she's smart. She to loves kids and people.. I get so mad when I'm in public out to eat or in petco with my dog and people point " keep that monster away" mean while there yap trap jumped out of the basket to go after my dog. He just sat there and was like " oh what's this? What's going on" wagging his nub

A friend of mine had a rottie as a service dog for anxiety and the Restraunt owner refused to serve her. But there is a loop hole yes the federal govt trumps state and local laws but insurance companies my not allow that breed of dog on the property.

I think that's why he wants to stay away from Shepard pits etc etc he doesn't want conflict.
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Out of all 3 of my dogs my brothers favorite is my pit.. I know your not supose to have favorites but it's a hard toss up between my pit and my dobbie. The pit shows emotion like a human shows love and compassion and she's smart. She to loves kids and people.. I get so mad when I'm in public out to eat or in petco with my dog and people point " keep that monster away" mean while there yap trap jumped out of the basket to go after my dog. He just sat there and was like " oh what's this? What's going on" wagging his nub

A friend of mine had a rottie as a service dog for anxiety and the Restraunt owner refused to serve her. But there is a loop hole yes the federal govt trumps state and local laws but insurance companies my not allow that breed of dog on the property.

I think that's why he wants to stay away from Shepard pits etc etc he doesn't want conflict.
There are absolutely no loopholes. Service dogs can't be denied. My friends dad has a large lab as a service dog and the local hooters denied him service one night at there biker night. We took this to news outlets and they were more than happy to air the story. Since people and sponsors have boycotted the business. They can no longer have the Harley biker night because Harley told them they could not use there name any longer on that promo night. I'm sure they get by still but I also know it was a PR nightmare for them that they are still trying to clean up more than a year later.
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A friend of mine had a rottie as a service dog for anxiety and the Restraunt owner refused to serve her. But there is a loop hole yes the federal govt trumps state and local laws but insurance companies my not allow that breed of dog on the property.
Federal law trumps state or local laws when it comes to service dogs. Period. There are very few places that a service dog cannot go (sterile operating rooms are one of them), and about the only way a service dog can be denied access to any place the general public is allowed is if the dog is not under control.

This is the link to the ADA service animal regulations. http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm


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My pitbull is my service dog for PTSD. No one gives her sideways glances because she is perfectly well behaved. She stays by my side at all times, doesn't sniff around or seek attention from others. Just make sure the dog is trained and you shouldn't have any issues no matter what breed is decided upon. The only time you can be asked to leave a facility is if your dog is misbehaving or isn't clean (yes, stinky dogs are offensive and you can be legally asked to leave because of that). My dog only has to come with me when I travel long distances, but she presents herself the way she should and that's really all that matters. Have him pick a dog that is compatible with his lifestyle and that is able to preform whatever tasks he needs in a calm, reliable manner. Good luck.
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My pitbull is my service dog for PTSD. No one gives her sideways glances because she is perfectly well behaved. She stays by my side at all times, doesn't sniff around or seek attention from others. Just make sure the dog is trained and you shouldn't have any issues no matter what breed is decided upon. The only time you can be asked to leave a facility is if your dog is misbehaving or isn't clean (yes, stinky dogs are offensive and you can be legally asked to leave because of that). My dog only has to come with me when I travel long distances, but she presents herself the way she should and that's really all that matters. Have him pick a dog that is compatible with his lifestyle and that is able to preform whatever tasks he needs in a calm, reliable manner. Good luck.
Thank you for clearing that up, I was miss informed. I don't know why my friend never went after that bar/Restraunt. She has never gone back .

Maybe this weekend we will take a ride down to the humane society and see what kind of dog sparks his interest. What I may like in a dog He may not. As long as he adopts I'm game

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Federal law trumps state and also trumps fear- HOWEVER that does not mean people will not try it, and people ARE more likely to deny you if you have a "scary" breed. Especially if you live in an area where there is BSL, as Denver tried to remove even service dogs that were bully breeds when BSL became law before a lot of protests and petitioning happened and they actually took it all the way to court.

Honestly, if he does not know how to train a service dog or where to start, he might benefit from looking into an organization that will either match him with one of their dogs or will help him choose and train a dog that he picks. Just going to a shelter and picking up the first dog you like is typically not a good idea, neither is finding a breeder and taking the first puppy you're offered. There is a specific temperament you're looking for and if he doesn't know how to pick for it, he's then just taking a random shot in the dark.

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If I was looking for a medium sized companion dog I'd probably look at Australian Shepherds, Golden Retrievers, Labradors, English Springer Spaniels,Standard Poodles or some fairly specific mixed breeds--Lab and Aussie mixes seem to do pretty well.

And for purebreds I'd want to make sure that the breeders were breeding to standard size--Goldens and Labs in particular are often not just oversized but hugely oversized! And I'd probably also consider a bitch rather than a male as they are more likely to actually be "medium sized".
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Sorry for the response delay. Its funny how you have a mind set one one pup and it doesn't work out for the better. He ended up getting a Shepard collie mix. Super smart super sweet. He's doing basic obedient training now then work their way up. To me she looks like a shep rottie mix but she's too small and has too big of ears

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