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Mini Aussie question

I don't know anything about aussies except what I have read. My friend and her husband want to get one and I don't think that it is a good choice for them (no intentions to go to obedience class or crate train, have 2 cats, this will be their first dog, and she has historically been afraid of dogs). Despite my objections it looks like they may have settled on a puppy from this place. Can anyone tell me if this looks like a "decent breeder?" The website screams red flag to me, but again, I don't know what is expected or normal in that breed.

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Don’t know ANYTHING about mini aussies--but a breeder with NINE females and one male seems a bit much. Many of the females seem to have been bred to only to their one stud, and all of their descriptions the females say things like “She gives us puppies that everyone that get absolutely love their personality" and "Tilly and G has given us a range of sizes in the puppies and colors..all with great personality.”

Sounds fishy to me.
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Mini Aussie question

Thanks for the input. I didn't even look at the number of females. I was put off by the zero titling, no ofa, puppies in outside kennels until weaned, etc.... That definitely adds something to the list though. She has put down a deposit on a "genetic tested" puppy, but I'm hoping to change their mind before they pick it up.


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Stupid dial-up! Didn't have time to wait forever for the website to load but even without seeing it I can about guess the kind of thing it says.

Miniature Australian Shepherds are not a recognized AKC breed. There are ONLY Australian Shepherds--period and breeders who selectively breed Aussy's for small size and call them Miniature Australian Shepherds. (I think that UKC may have recently recognized the Mini's as a separate breed)

Although I lke Aussies a lot I don't think I'd ever recommend a Mini--there are exceptions to what I'm going to say and this is only from my experience.

Since the Mini's have been bred with only one thing in mind--small size--as with all other dogs bred with one and one only attribute being of prime importance everything else often suffers. I work in a vet clinic--in our clients there are at least a dozen who have mini's and of that number only one has a temperament I would regard as acceptable. All of the rest are shy--often to the point of being fear aggessive. Most can't be handled without being muzzled. They have all bitten, several times--mostly members of the family and one was so bad about this that by the time she was five the family had her put to sleep on the advice of a vet/behaviorist. The mini they replaced her with is the one an only mini we see as a regular patient and is our only mini who is outgoing, tractable and easy to work on.

No two of these dogs have come from the same breeder and there seem to be four or five small scale puppy mills in and around Multinomah County (Portland, Oregon area) specializing in mini.

Unfortunately the puppies are furry, cute and really attractive to people who don't know much about various breeds nor what good temperatment looks like in a dog who was purchased as a pet/companion.

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My sister has two. They are definitely not dogs that can do without obedience training. They are way to smart and work oriented. If they are looking for a family pet that just wants to hang around the house all day this is definitely NOT the dog for them. They can expect to spend at least 1.5-2 hours a day exercising the dog (and not just at a walking pace) on top of training time.

Temperament wise, neither of my sister's dogs is particularly outgoing with strangers. Neither is aggressive although her female doesn't particularly like children. She, like me, would prefer to avoid dealing with their kind of nonsense. Her male puppy just wants to be included in the play.

They are a new breed to the AKC under the name North American Shepherd. Some lines are descended from the smaller Aussies that have always occurred in the breed. Some lines are cross bred with toy dogs to get the smaller size. So adult size varies a lot. My sister's two are half siblings (same sire) and her older female is around 25-28 lbs and her male puppy at 9 months is 12 lbs.
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The AKC does recognize the Miniature American Shepherd, which is the same difference. A bunch of Mini Aussie people wanted AKC recognition, so they formed their own club, and the AKC insisted on the name change. I've seen a couple that look very Corgi-ish. This is the breed club for the MAS. MASCUSA They probably have a breeders list.

The American Herding Breed Association recognizes Miniature Aussies for titles, but not the MAS.

I've never interested with any dogs from either breed, so I can't say anything about their temperament, but I would say that any health issues in Australian Shepherds would be guaranteed to crop up in both the Mini Aussie and the MAS.
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Thanks everyone for the history. I was curious why there were no AKC numbers or affiliation listings on the site.

@dobebug & @prairiefire I really appreciate the first hand experiences and insight, particularly since my biggest concern for them is the temperament and training requirements. I asked them if they planned to do any kind of formal training or canine sports and the answer was "no." When asked why they wanted an aussie (at the time, not sure how it morphed into putting a deposit on a mini) the response was that they wanted something that she could hike with and that they were cute. They are the average weekend few mile hikers, not any kind of serious backcountry backpacking or everyday-hike kind of hiker. Obviously these responses cause more concern given their expectations and lifestyle, and I will be sure to pass them along.
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I've never interested with any dogs from either breed, so I can't say anything about their temperament, but I would say that any health issues in Australian Shepherds would be guaranteed to crop up in both the Mini Aussie and the MAS.
Don't you just love autocorrect, and tablets thinking they know what you want to say better then you do? I've never interacted with any dogs from either breed....
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Thanks for the info Rosemary--I've obviously not been paying enough attention. AKC will not allow recognition for a breed created from an existing AKC breed or breeds combo.

The mini people had been trying to get AKC approval based on their contention that they weren't just Australiian Shepherds bred to be small--guess they finally convince someone that was the case.

LOL--I usually watch for new breeds (in Miscellaneous or finally recognized and I just plain missed the "Miniature American Shepherd" recognition.

And yes, Aussies have a number of health issues because of the merle gene which acts as a double dominate along with black but the mini's would definitely have the same range of potential health problems that the Australian Shepherd has.

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