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10-20-2011 04:53 PM
angelamaria I just wanted to say how much this thread (and several others on this forum) have helped me. I am new to this forum, and we are in the same boat: looking for a family pet (posted all our "wants" on my introduction post a several days ago), and in the Northern VA area. As a result, we narrowly avoided a disaster with one in VA (Trinity Dobes) and I believe we will avoid another (located in PA, there are several questions raised about them). I have sent emails inquiring into puppy availability for several of the ones listed on the DPCA breeders list, and am hoping for responses soon. Guess we'll have to wait, but we would far rather do that then fall in love with a pup that ends up with all sorts of health issues. I am definitely learning much from all these posts, and have been extremely impressed with everyone's advice and assistance. Many thanks!
01-27-2011 04:23 PM
Prinz's Momma I just now saw your lastest post.... I am terribly sorry about your father. Prayers to you and your family...
01-27-2011 04:19 PM
Prinz's Momma Welcome from Missouri!!
My boy is now 6 months old, and we searched and searched for over a year and a half before purchasing him.
The forum members here bring up very good and VERY IMPORTANT points! First of all, they do no testing. RUN!
Secondly, "superior sized"? RUN! It reminds me of the breeders who breed albinos and use the marketing tactic of "rare and unique". If the dog is superior sized, it is not in breed standard. NO GO.
$2500 for a dog with testing is high, especially for a pet! much less $2500 and no testing done??
Make sure that whoever you purchase from has worked to at least get some sort of title on their dogs... a SCH3?? not the easiest to come by... not that they would know if they don't even compete in Schutzhund!
And they may state that they are going to give you a replacement dog, after they make you jump through a bunch of hoops to prove that the defects were really their own fault... but after the dog has bonded with you for the first quarter of his life at 3 years old, not only will it be hard for him or but also very hard for the family. I, like you, have a little one who is 5, nearly 6. If anything ever happened to Prinz he would be completely devastated, as would we... and what kind of replacement would they give you? another sick dog because its from the same breeding lines, who you would then have to invest more time in training alllll over again, not to mention vet visits.
I hope that some of this is helpful. You will soon see (if you haven't already noticed) that a lot of forum members are very outspoken, but it's all really for the betterment of breed and owner. It's never meant to offend anyone. Everyone here really does try to help in not only your but your dogs best interest, and it's a beautiful thing.
Again, I hope that this is useful information for you to think about. I was in your shoes only a few months ago, and am SOOO content now with the boy I have. : )
01-26-2011 12:02 PM
Dobelvrs
thank you all

I do really appriciate the words of sympathy. I am staying strong for my mother and kids (hubby is very good at helping me with that). His (my dad) spirit is with me often and I do not feel seperated from him when he is near. In fact when he is around his presence comforts me and I literally feel like he is still here with the family and I feel no greif. When he visits the other memembers of our family or I go to school (not today cuz the funeral was yesterday and I don't think I could make it through alone) is when it is tough for me.
I will try to stay in touch and active on here, though it will probably won't be everyday like it was before. Thank you all again for the support and kind words. Truely, I do appriciate it. ((((((hugs))))))
01-25-2011 05:42 PM
Australdi Sincere condolences.
01-25-2011 04:55 PM
triciakoontz Oh, I'm so sorry to hear this news. It sounds like you were very close to your dad. Definitely let your instructors know if you feel like this is affecting your assignments. I'll be keeping you and your family in my prayers.
01-25-2011 03:58 PM
dax0402 So very sorry for your loss. My thoughts are with you and your family.
01-25-2011 01:06 PM
Woodstockthe3rd I am sorry to hear about your father. My thoughts will be with you and your family during your time of mourning.

Make sure you let your teachers know if things are getting rough, most will work with you.
01-25-2011 09:55 AM
heidi's mom i am very sorry for your loss....
01-25-2011 09:31 AM
brw1982 So sorry about the loss of your dad. Your family is in my thoughts.
01-25-2011 09:07 AM
Woodstockthe3rd Make sure you look at what you at and inform the breeder (when you find the right one) of what exactly you want you dog for. You stated "we currently do not have plans for agility, shows, schutzhund, etc." there for it would be wise to stay away from dobes with high energy and high work drive. A great breeder (we aren't looking for just good breeders anymore) will be able to fit the perfect pup to you. They will also have health guarantees in the lines such as: low incidences of cancers, DCM (which they now have a genetic test for one of the genes that cause this), Wobblers (which they are doing research to find the gene currently), Eyes are checked & clear, VWD clear, PennHIP checks ( I personally prefer over OFA becuase it is more actuate), OFA's done on hips and elbow joints, and Thyroid tested. A great breeder will also be willing to give you a pedigree of the lines behind the pups and will be willing to tell you what the dogs died of and what age (if they know).

For any of my breeding dogs, I have had, if one of the genetic tests come back negative or the dog is affected I get them fixed. Those are not traits I want passed on. My dog may be tainted but I refuse to taint future lines and the breed itself.

If you don't care about the dogs lines then don't get the dog from a breeder. There are so many loving dobes, even pups, in rescues and shelters that have mystery lines with great temperaments. It is also the job of the shelters to fit the right home to the dog. Always remember, dogs are far more forgiving than people. They can be run through hell and still turn around and lick the face of their abuser. That is one reason I would trust a dog over people any day.

Welcome, and happy hunting.
01-24-2011 10:18 PM
barb0604 I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of your Dad. You and your family will be in my thoughts during this difficult time. Take care
01-24-2011 10:02 PM
Dobelvrs
uumm...

Well all, I've been MIA on here since last week. It's because my dad had a sudden and fatal heart attack, tonight was the veiwing and tomarrow is the funeral.
I will be on maybe later this week to get my mind off of things, for now I'll continue to be MIA and some how stay focused on school....not sure how well I'll do this semsester......anyway I don't mean to be a downer but I felt I needed to say something.

-night all
01-18-2011 03:11 PM
Dobelvrs
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Originally Posted by tnh317 View Post
Dobelvrs, there are plenty of excellent breeders in the North East that not only provide health guarantees, but also ACTUALLY HEALTH TEST THEIR OWN DOGS. What are you looking for in a Doberman? Would you like to compete in a venue like showing or agility or obedience or protection sports? Are you looking for a dog for personal protection purposes? Or are you looking for a companion / family pet? Different breeders breed with different purposes in mind so the answer to the questions above can help posters to narrow down their recommendations.
We currently are "window shopping" lol so to speak. We have about a year or more before we can realistically introduce a Dobe into our lives (though we wish it could be today). We are renting and as many of you know the majority of apartments do not allow pets at all or only allow cats and what I call ankle bitters (35lbs or less). --side note we have a male neutered cat who is very affectionate and tolerant of young children--
Above all we want a goof ball that will love us as much as we love them. Pretty much what a dobe is known for is what we want personality wise, we currently do not have plans for agility, shows, schutzhund, etc. (though it may change in the future). We want a family pet that will defend the family (especially our lil ones) if there is a threat, but will also be friendly to new people once introduced.
To let you know we are also looking for obediance trainers in our area to help the dog learn manners but mainly us to communicate with them's correctly. ( I was little when our essentially pretrained cockapoo came to us---she was bred with the standard sized poodle so she stood above our knees, not these lil sizes they breed now) I have no experiance training a dog and do not pretend to know how
If you have any other q's feel free to ask.
01-18-2011 10:54 AM
tnh317
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Originally Posted by workingk9s View Post
That is Desert Legend the original, now Desert Legend West. They sold Lobster to Desert Legend East to start it up. I guess he out grew his usefulness in AZ.

These guys show up to the SchH regional events all the time and promote themselves as "the biggest breeder of Dobermans in America". I don't know what their definition is about biggest breeder, but I can't fathom that in any definition of the word. When I saw a few (they brought dogs and business cards!), the dogs' comformation were poor and they had somewhat shifty temperaments.

I find it ironic that they keep showing up to SchH events when they have NO SchH titles on ANY of their dogs. They also aren't members of any of the clubs in the area, or at least weren't when I was in AZ.
WTF? Now we've got these sorts of breeders setting up franchises across the country? That's just super.

Dobelvrs, there are plenty of excellent breeders in the North East that not only provide health guarantees, but also ACTUALLY HEALTH TEST THEIR OWN DOGS. What are you looking for in a Doberman? Would you like to compete in a venue like showing or agility or obedience or protection sports? Are you looking for a dog for personal protection purposes? Or are you looking for a companion / family pet? Different breeders breed with different purposes in mind so the answer to the questions above can help posters to narrow down their recommendations.
01-18-2011 10:33 AM
Michael Deyah'na Actually, I had not read either or the posts from these breeders who are thinking that my song was about them!! Nevertheless the SONGBIRD camp need not not reply to either as both have obviously been moved to confess that they do not have those goods I spoke of to sell. This is ALL this buyer wants... a GOOD puppy given up. My policy on this is that I will not even breed it and offer it to her... unless it's good. Thus, I will not discontinue my usage of the word "good" in the education of these buyers who ask me for advice.
01-18-2011 09:52 AM
Fitzmar Dobermans
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Originally Posted by Michael Deyah'na View Post
THE SONGBIRD WORD
One bit of advice I will give ya' is this. Your FIRST question to any and every breeder should be "Do YOU have the goods to sell me?" Based on their yes or no answer right there you may get to know whether or not the person you speak to wishes to be of any help or not. Keep in mind that this business of dog breeding is often made a political game. So it's full of bad breeders who badmouth one another. And often such badmouthers will sell ya' somethin' bad before they sell ya' somethin' good. Always the bottom line has ta' be "What do YOU have ta' sell?"
seriously?? I don't have anything to sell at this point, but when I talk to someone that seems like a qualified home, I bend over backwards to help them find breeders who possibly might have a litter planned in the near future. There is NOTHING in it for me personally other than the satisfaction of helping someone find a good breeder.... or rescue if that is an option.

AND, I don't consider a puppy I bred to be "GOODS" - they are my blood, sweat and tears - not to mention hope for the future, and calling them "goods" cheapens them in my book. shhheeessshhhhh!!

I will add, that I do live in pa, and must have missed this post originally.
01-18-2011 09:46 AM
workingk9s
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Originally Posted by Michael Deyah'na View Post
THE SONGBIRD WORD
One bit of advice I will give ya' is this. Your FIRST question to any and every breeder should be "Do YOU have the goods to sell me?" Based on their yes or no answer right there you may get to know whether or not the person you speak to wishes to be of any help or not. Keep in mind that this business of dog breeding is often made a political game. So it's full of bad breeders who badmouth one another. And often such badmouthers will sell ya' somethin' bad before they sell ya' somethin' good. Always the bottom line has ta' be "What do YOU have ta' sell?"
A quick glance of the people who were helpful in this thread and it looks like the only breeder here is me, and I don't have a litter. So I am confused. Are you saying that we are trying to sell the OP a puppy? Is that what you mean by goods? We are talking animals here, not goods. IMO, nobody is trying to sell this person a puppy, just helping them find a reputable breeder that follows within the guidlines set forth from the DT manifesto.

Here is what I use when looking at breeders.
https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...new-folks.html

I am not pointing to me or other breeders I know, just things that are important to me in a breeder. It has been my experience with Desert Legend that they do NOT fall in to a good breeder to me.
01-18-2011 09:11 AM
Michael Deyah'na THE SONGBIRD WORD
One bit of advice I will give ya' is this. Your FIRST question to any and every breeder should be "Do YOU have the goods to sell me?" Based on their yes or no answer right there you may get to know whether or not the person you speak to wishes to be of any help or not. Keep in mind that this business of dog breeding is often made a political game. So it's full of bad breeders who badmouth one another. And often such badmouthers will sell ya' somethin' bad before they sell ya' somethin' good. Always the bottom line has ta' be "What do YOU have ta' sell?"
01-16-2011 03:05 PM
barb0604 Here's a post regarding this kennel, and it includes a link to the PA Kennel Inspection Database:

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...tml#post834786

Please do not support breeders like this, your chances of getting a well-adjusted, healthy, long lived Doberman are slim. The price of a puppy is small compared to the cost of vet care for a Doberman that develops one of the many health issues that plague the breed
01-16-2011 02:34 PM
Michael Deyah'na
Songbird Sings

Greetings. Well, in this request for advice, you have quite clearly stated what you want and you have quite clearly stated what you do not want. And next added to that you've clearly stated that not all advice is believable - all before I've said a word (l.o.l.) !! So now, what am I to say? It's now just a matter of you going out to see the goods and making a choice that seems to be one thar will make you happy. I wish you the best.
01-12-2011 08:11 PM
kbiggs Welcome from Maryland! I'm new here too...doing a LOT of reading and learning! I grew up in NE Pa, very close to Bloomsburg. Great area and I totally understand your point about no straight roads anywhere! Gotta love it. Good luck with your search!
01-12-2011 05:31 PM
Dobelvrs
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Originally Posted by dax0402 View Post
Hi and welcome from another Pennsylvanian. Please do your research. This forum is a wealth of information on Dobermans and responsible breeders. Have you thought about rescue? There are 3 very good Doberman rescues in PA.
Thank you all for the information! I am currently looking at one of the websites give to me and have looked at many others already. ----We are not excluding rescues at all!!!-- we just thought since we have a cat, and two young kids 4, who will be 5 in May and an 8 yr. old that many rescues may not adopt a dog to us for those reasons. We also would like to have a young to baby aged pup so that we have the longest amount of time with them as well.
Our location also seems to hinder our ability to make the drive to just visit a breeders/rescues dogs a problem. (We live roughly an hour north of harrisburg; and lets face it PA is a lot of backroads making it very difficult to drive in any sort of straight line). We want to be able to visit and interact with the dog/pup to make sure they fit in our family and visit a few times; maybe even one time with our cat to see if the dog will see our cat as a toy or a friend.
01-12-2011 08:53 AM
Riagogogo
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Originally Posted by avianantics View Post

You are getting a great education here, and kudos to you for doing your research, asking questions and keeping an open mind.

Can't stress this enough. Welcome to DT!
01-12-2011 08:46 AM
ShelianDobe The Guarantee isn't bad if you don't mind giving up your dog after 2-3 years. Their prices are outrageous. I assure you that you can get a better bred dog, from health tested parents, including ear crop, guarantee, breeder support, etc. for $500-$1000 less than Desert.... (can you say rip-off?).

You are getting a great education here, and kudos to you for doing your research, asking questions and keeping an open mind.
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