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01-05-2014 06:41 AM
InBox485
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Originally Posted by Kratty View Post
With all the new puppys in the forum, I thought this topic would be appropriate and also a trip down memory lane for most of us....

Topic – Crate Training & Housebreaking

•What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.
•How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?
•What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)
•When did you stop using the crate?

•What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)
•How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.
•How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.
•Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)
I use the largest plastic crate that petsmart carries. I don't remember the size but it can accommodate a Doberman laying out standing.

I crate train by first teaching down stay, then I have them down stay in the crate with the door open, then I close the door after they are comfortable.

I don't rush into crate training. If I have to leave, I crate, but I try to be home for a few days strait with a new dog. I also use the crate as little as possible. I primarily use an alternate house breaking method where the new dog is on a leash with me 24/7. It is several times more work than crate training but the bond it forms and the understanding of who's house it is pays dividends for life.

Somewhere in the 1 to 2 year range, or after about 2 months for new adult dogs, I stop using the crate just because I'm gone. I'll still use it if I need them contained and I generally use it with the door open as their den.

For house breaking, they are in a crate our on a leash 24/7. They go for a potty break every 30 minutes at first, then I taper down based on when they are actually going. I wrap a leash around my arm and sleep on a couch with them so that they can't get away to go potty at night. As a result they wake me up as needed, and we go for a potty break as often as I get woken up.

All my dogs have been 100% by about 4 months or within about a week of leash training for the adult dogs.

I'm a big fan of dog doors but if the door is closed they generally figure something out to get my attention. Every dog has been different, and I've found it easier to let them train me on that one.

I generally don't have an issue with my dogs not being willing to go potty anywhere outside that I tell them to go potty at.

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01-04-2014 11:08 PM
McGlothlin2803
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Originally Posted by Kratty View Post
Topic – Crate Training & Housebreaking
Nemesis-
• What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.
Its a wire 48" crate with the plastic tray and no divider. He lays on a dog bed with his blanket.
• How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?
Put him in it his first night home and never had any issues with whining.
• What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)
He stays in it when we are not home, and its his bedroom. When we are home and he is having free time (still housbreaking) the door stays open and he goes in and out as pleases.
• When did you stop using the crate?
Still use it 3 months old
Triton-
• What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)
Took him out after every meal, nap, and after play time.
• How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.
About 4-5 months
• How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.
Waits by the front door.
• Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)
Yes, he doesnt seem to care what the terrain is.
Nemesis is still house training and triton no longer uses a crate. He stays in the house if its cold, and if its a nice day out, hell stay outside while were gone. He sleeps on a toddler mattress.
08-03-2013 06:44 PM
vivienne00
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Originally Posted by marthared View Post
We have a big wire cage that we used for Zach for about 2 weeks after we brought him home, until we felt he would be ok in the backyard with our goats (he was little, and we didn't want the goats to hurt him). I don't really understand why we would use a crate now (he's 4.5 months old) when we have a covered deck and fenced backyard. If I need to go somewhere or do things inside by myself, then I just put the dogs outside.. they have a big dog throw on the deck to lay on and plenty of water.
Any reason I should have a crate in the house? I'm not seeing one. Why would anyone use a crate inside during the summer that has a big fenced backyard and a covered deck? Maybe in places where it's really hot? I guess I can see using it during the winter to keep Zach out of the cold (our other dog is an Australian Shepard and loves it cold), but not in the summer here in the Pacific Northwest.. rarely gets above 80 degrees here.
I am in the PNW as well. I crate my bitch at night because she is intact and I need to keep her using a crate so when she is in season she will be ok with being restricted. She also sleeps on the bed with me if I let her out of the crate around dawn but she wants to lay all over me and I don't get much sleep.

During the day, I don't crate her unless I take her somewhere where she will need to wait then we use a soft crate. I have 2 wire crates in the car - one for each dog that I normally take places. Dogs are much safer in a crate than loose, even behind a cargo barrier.

If I am not home during the day, I will lock Lana up in her special pen in the barn with a heater in the mornings (yes it is cold here even in summer, right?) and water and elk antlers to chew.

Dobes are so prone to eating inappropriate things and then having expensive obstruction surgery that I would rather wait until she gets past her "I can chew anything when I am bored" phase. I have about 6 more months before I will think about trusting her again. I did for a bit and she was good, but with the cooler weather lately, she took up to having morning yee-has in the house and destroyed 2 mats and the wood molding around one door - this was all totally out of character - but they are unpredictable once they get past about 7 mths until they mature.
08-03-2013 11:57 AM
marthared
Crate in my situation?

We have a big wire cage that we used for Zach for about 2 weeks after we brought him home, until we felt he would be ok in the backyard with our goats (he was little, and we didn't want the goats to hurt him). I don't really understand why we would use a crate now (he's 4.5 months old) when we have a covered deck and fenced backyard. If I need to go somewhere or do things inside by myself, then I just put the dogs outside.. they have a big dog throw on the deck to lay on and plenty of water.
Any reason I should have a crate in the house? I'm not seeing one. Why would anyone use a crate inside during the summer that has a big fenced backyard and a covered deck? Maybe in places where it's really hot? I guess I can see using it during the winter to keep Zach out of the cold (our other dog is an Australian Shepard and loves it cold), but not in the summer here in the Pacific Northwest.. rarely gets above 80 degrees here.
11-01-2012 11:46 AM
NINKOjIN • What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.

Midwest Dog Crate, Life Stages, largest they had. He currently lies on folded up blankets stacked up to be comfy, as he was destroying typical dog beds before, but we might try another dog bed soon.

• How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?

Right from the start, I always left toys, treats, etc., inside of it for him to find. We played crate games. When I left him in the crate, I never EVER let in to the crying... only let him out once he had been calm for a while. Also, never make a big deal about making him go inside. Currently, he goes into the crate on command when I go to work.

• What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)

In order : potty training, safe haven/bedroom, and then somewhat of a punishment for biting (30 seconds tops, really helped with play biting). He does not hate the crate at all. He does fine in it and is quiet and calm.

• When did you stop using the crate?

We still use the crate when no one is home. But other than that, he now sleeps on my bed and had free reign of my bedroom if we are only gone for an hour or less, and he has reign of the house when people are around to watch him.

• What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)

Just the crate, and lots and LOTS of frequent trips outside to prevent accidents. Trips outside after eating, playing, drinking, sleeping, etc., at LEAST every hour, sometimes every half hour for the first week.

• How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.

A month? Not sure. He still had mistakes in his crate if he was left there too long, but that was more of a bladder holding issue rather than knowing the rules.

• How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.

He goes to the door, but even if he isn't let out when he wants, he can hold it in for a while. I usually just let him out every few hours and I haven't seen any accidents in months.

• Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)

Honestly, I've only ever seen him go in the grass to potty. I haven no idea what would happen if I needed him to go elsewhere to potty.
03-04-2012 06:40 AM
jonney
easy stuff

training our Dobe in the crate was fairly easy. I put a fleece blanket in there for her to lay on. then I started throwing her toys in there. the door was always open. never shut the door, at least, not yet. then I started feeding her in the cage. at first, I let he stand outside the cage and just stick her head in the crate to eat. after a few days of this, I made her stand all the way in the crate to eat, again, don't shut the door. once she was comfortable with eating in the cage, I began shutting the door, not locking it, just swinging it shut while she ate. I sat in front of the crate the whole time. when she was finished eating, I opened the door and praised her for what a good job she did. we kept up this routine for about a week, the whole time, I kept her toys in the crate, if she wanted one, she would have to go in to get it, which she did. we slowly worked up to leaving the door closed after she finished eating, again, I was sitting in front of the crate and praising her while the door was closed. kept up this routine until she just started going in the crate by herself. she now prefers to be in the crate. we threw a blanket over the top of it, so it is kind of dark in there. at night, while we are watching tv or doing homework, she is quietly sitting in her cage either sleeping or chewing on something. that would help too, buy a rawhide chew bone and let the dog sit in the Crate to chew on it.

good luck. patience and try and try again....
02-05-2012 04:55 AM
Sean23
potty target

Our little guy murphy, eats at 6:00, 11:00, and at 5:30. We make sure he goes out after he eats, plays, and sleeps. We have had him home how for two weeks and try to give him consistancy. Unfortunately he likes to go potty in his crate. We take him out about 4 or 5 times between his dinner and bedtime. It seems like he is holding it for his crate! We praise him when he relieves himself outside and always give him plenty of opportunities to go out. We are also training him to use a bell to let us know when he neds to go. He is very young (8 weeks), so the bell training will take awhile. His crate is just big enough for him to laydown with a blanket and a chew toy. Needless to say.... we have washed a lot of blankets! Any ideas to get him to focus on going outside and not in the crate??
10-26-2011 10:00 PM
BlueandRed So far we are still having issues with both dogs, but especially Rex, doing #2 outside. Cupcake has a few times but not Rex. Some accidents with #1 but both are getting good at going outside, but we have to take them out separately or else they are too occupied with each other to do their thing. They each have their own kennels for when we are gone. Rex has an XL wire crate that he is pretty good about going into on his own when we get him downstairs to it. Cupcake is another story. Once she gets downstairs and to the kennel she will go in and try to get right back out. At night they sleep in the bedroom and usually wind up on the bed.
07-09-2011 07:09 PM
abbylynn
CRATE TRAI have only had AbbyINING/HOUSEBREAKING

I have had Abbylynn for one and a half months. She was 5 and one half months old when I rescued her. She was trained to do nothing. I purchased a large remington crate. Abby sleeps in the crate only at night or if I go grocery shopping. The crate is located in my bedroom only. I keep two large bath towels ( one as a spare in case she goes potty on one) for her crate. When Abby first came home she pottied everywhere but never pooed in the house EVER! I never made a huge ordeal about the potty, I just cleaned it up and said "POTTY OUTSIDE!" sternly and took her outside. I did not let her come back inside until she did all her business. I have a woods out back and she actually now puts her rear into the woods itself and poos. She has one bad habit of going pee as soon as she steps off of the back sidewalk,..but I will not complain....its still OUTSIDE. I take Abby outside at least every 2 hours. I do not make it play time while we are first outside. I reward her with a game of tug-o-war for being a GOOD GIRL,....POTTY OUTSIDE! Those are the words I always use on her so as not to confuse her. Repetition and a fairly routine schedule are paying off for the both of us. I have no floors or carpets to scrub and she gets to play her favorite game. Abby will whine a little now if she needs to go out. She will wake me instead of pottying her towel in her crate at night. I will not make her use the crate during the day if it is not necessary. Abby sometimes heads for the back door to go out. I pay close attention to her body language. I take her outside within 15 minutes of eating and if it has been a hot day and she drinks much more water.....common sense says take her out more often.I prefer to give extra fun as an incentive to follow all my rules. I give treats for a snack before bedtime just like I do for myself. She doesn't go to bed hungry. She is a happy girl. I feed her meals outside the crate and water is always available. I give her the run of the house when I am home which I am retired. Abby was 5 mo. when she came to me and is now 7 mo. old. I am pleased to say that my little ABBYLYNN has only had one minor pee accident all week long! YES! Patience and persistence and fun play are what I live by for potty training a puppy. This is the very first time I have ever owned a crate and I may not use it to its full abilities,..but I am pleased with what I have been able to accomplish with it so far. Good luck everybody with your training!
06-18-2011 11:35 AM
MeadowCat Six weeks is way too young for a puppy to leave his mother and littermates. You will want to do some research on that as you are going to have to substitute for his mom and siblings in teaching him things like bite inhibition. Please, please do a lot of research on this, as pups that leave this young can have some real issues if the owner isn't proactive.

I also wouldn't expect him to be old enough to "hold it" in the crate for even 4 hours yet. He probably needs to go outside a lot more, and just doesn't physically have the bladder control to make much progress on house training yet.
06-17-2011 12:20 PM
Makvay I have a 6-7 week old dobly and I'm wondering if I'm training him wrong. The 1st couple of night he slept in the bed because he was so young and the past two nights he's slept in his crate down stairs. He'll cry and howl for a few mins after I take him out to potty around 4am but he doesn't go in the crate and enters on his own.

What are the time lines on where a puppy should be sleeping? I don't want to scare him or anything and he seems to be great at going outside if taken at the right times. I've been looking and don't see much about a puppy so young.
03-14-2011 09:38 PM
DocWriter What type of crate do you use? Hugo has a giant wire 'cage' in the livingroom. His older, smaller crate has been relegated to the car.

How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take? Hugo has NEVER learned to use it properly, and he's had a crate from day one! Living in apts makes 'noise' issues a priority!

What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? It's supposed to be HIS safe and private place - he just HATES it! Times when he must stay alone (RARE!) he stays in the cage, quiet and content with a bone. Otherwise, he uses it as a screaming and tantram chamber - he's not opposed to peeing in it, either.

When did you stop using the crate? Still using them.

What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? Since we live in apts right now, Hugo has a 'box' in my bathrooms for emergencies. As a puppy, he was taken outside every three hours, and his box was moved around. He caught on very quickly that it was the BOX that was to be used if he was indoors. He stands by the front door or rings the bell on the handle if I'm out of view. I keep my bathroom door closed so that he MUST go to the front door, and that I decide WHICH place he'll use. I've also taught him to pee in a bag - really handy at the VET, or at someone else's house... or hotel, etc.

How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes? Hugo doesn't make mistakes... he will pee in his kennel if he's mad! I tell him, "Too bad"!

How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out. I have a large jingle bell on every door. Hugo will usually stand by the door he wants opened, or ring the bell if I'm not paying him adequate attention.

Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? Since Hugo pretty much pees and poos on MY command, the issue is moot. I NEVER allow him to potty on pavement or fake grass... what happens at 'day camp' is their concern - not mine. I haven't heard that anyone has ever had a problem with him.
10-31-2010 03:18 PM
DobermanDobbie I also suggest owners to make the crate as comfortable as possible. Put necessary food and drink at night. Also, you can place your dog's favorite toy inside. Toys are important to occupy and entertain your dog when he is alone. However, you must be careful which toys you give your dog access to when he is unsupervised. Tough rubber toys are ideal for crates.
10-31-2010 03:16 PM
DobermanDobbie I crate trained Dobbie for almost 2 months. It was difficult to see him inside the crate crying at first but he got used to it. Just a tip. Do not keep moving your dog's crate around the house. It is best to choose a spot and be consistent. Otherwise, your dog will become confused.
08-27-2010 03:35 PM
nathan28 I use a command to S. to pee/poop. He's 100% as far as peeing on command if he has any to get rid off--he's fixed so he goes all at once--but he really likes to hold off on pooping as long as possible.

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Originally Posted by Kratty View Post
• What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on.
Before he was housebroken we just used the removable plastic bottom of the crate.

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• How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?
Put him in the crate because they "worked", people said, and used a wooden sheet of mushboard to restrict his movement so he could turn around but not walk around. On day three of crate training I crated him and he sh-t in it as soon as I turned my back, and looked at me like he thought he did the right thing. I took him out, washed the crate bottom, put him back in... and he did the same thing. We had to stop with the crate for about a week and then start over.

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• What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)
I never punished S. for after-the-fact discovery of poop/pee. But if he did it in front of me, I scream bloody murder at him and take him outside immediately. My wife would take him to the poop and try to shame him but I didn't like this.

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• When did you stop using the crate?
At about ten months. But he would still go in there. Now he sleeps in a crate.

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• What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)
Tried treats when he went outside, tried yelling if I caught him in the act, tried waiting outside until he would finally go then let him back inside, etc.

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• How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes.
Probably about ten months. He had an accident at 11 mos. but he had an infection. At nine months he'd still pee on cloth dog beds on the floor, because when he was a puppy the breeder confined him to an exercise pen with his littermates on top of blankets 24/7 and took him away from his mother before five weeks so he missed some crucial learning.

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• How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out.
He still doesn't. He goes out two or three times a day, AM, PM and usually midafternoon. If he hasn't gone in eight or twelve hours he goes in the crate, but he's held his bladder 16 hours before and held poop for over 24. He's weird about it.

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• Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)
Typically he prefers grass and sidewalks and it's always unannounced. In fact, his favorite routine is to suddenly drop out of heel, at which point I turn around to see him squatting on the sidewalk pooping.
08-04-2010 03:34 PM
mostlydobie We only used crates briefly, and then only to make sure the dogs didn't get into each other's hair when we were gone.

We now don't use crates (however, I do work from home). We have one dog next to each side of the bed on a designated dog bed, and they are very happy with that.
(I now can't sleep without hearing happy dog noises at night.)

They are crated when boarded and have no problem with that, apparently.

I am currently thinking of reintroducing them, but only to work on Lucy not howling when I take Stella out for a walk without her. Very likely, though, I'll be able to take care of that by just closing a door or two.
07-28-2010 04:50 PM
darladoo We have an eight month old male named Harley. My husband and I both work, so we have crate trained since we got him at 6 weeks. He has never liked it, but did OK. He has started chewing and shredding any towels, blankets or pillows that we put in for him to lay on. He has always had a large selection of bones, toys and stuffed animals to chew on in and out of the crate, but as he's getting older, he seems to be getting worse, at least in the crate. He would jump against the door of the crate until he broke the latch on the last one. We recently bought the biggest wire crate that is made to make sure he has plenty of room and he paws so hard that he is hurting the pads on his feet. We try to give him plenty of exercise by long walks outside and on the treadmill and my husband has started running him beside him while he rides his bicycle. We've tried feeding him in there and it has never been a place of punishment. Any ideas?
07-07-2010 10:20 PM
PiperPup Piper is driving us NUTS at night...she cries and cries...then falls asleep....then an hour later cries more...sounds like we've broken her heart kind of cries...at first my husband would sleep in the bed next to her crate, but after a few nights gave up and now Pipers in there alone. Ive heard to keep it up, and not give in (which I did last night, and let her back in my bed)...I think by doing this I took 2 steps backward, and I am not looking forward to tonight. HELPP!! I need some moral support!!! She's a smart smart girl, and is learning tricks left & right, but i am an insomniac by nature, so when I do finally fall asleep, having her wake me over and over, it's VERY easy to give in at 3am...it's the 3rd night...I know in the grand scheme, this is minor, but I am very TIRED and just want everyone to SLEEP at night and not be heartbroken in the process...
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01-11-2010 10:47 AM
secuono
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Originally Posted by mistervaldez View Post
...I need to ask this question as it relates to the topic...

...during the crate training process...How long or how many hours would or should a dog stay in the crate for?...and I'll bring up a typical/general example...leaving for work, and returning 8-9 hours later...is that gonna be too long...?...I would think it is...but I'm new to this...I want to make sure this is done appropriately...

I have a dog-run set up already in my back yard...but I don't know if I should send the pup outside during the day while we're going through the crate training process...would this be okay?...and I ask this question keeping in mind that I would like to be able to teach the pup how to potty in a certain area when outside....do I work on 1 method at a time?...or do both...crate him when I'm home & give puppy the dog-run during the day? or wait until he's ready?...

I'm sort of crossed-up between common sense, and an appropriate potty training method...at this point, and without knowing...leaving for work and returning after a 8-9 hours seems too long, and feel like I'd be hurting the pup in the process...(keep in mind I commute to work, so I never come home for lunch)...I really wanna make this work for puppy...BTW puppy will come home around March 2010...


I had a Trolly Line for my dobie before we cut our yard in half just for him. I still have it even after moving, it's up still, only used it when we first got here. Now I never use it.
The tie outs that go from Point A to dog are NO GOOD! Dogs tie themselves either to the Point A or to other things in the yard. The ones that go in the ground and spin are also no good. Dog will either bend it, rip it out of the ground, and the spin never works!! Dogs do not run in a circle taunt on the end of the line, only when they try to get something. Otherwise they learn there is a limit and stay within that.
It took Kohaku a few days to learn how the Trolly Line worked and not to be freaked out over it. The wheel on the line still can get stuck, so I got a large, round clip instead so it didn't get stuck. I used to have to go out and fix the old one all the time.
I never left him home alone on the line, there is always dangers, from the dog itself getting stuck and worse to other animals/people.
01-11-2010 10:39 AM
secuono • What type of crate do you use and what materials does your doberman lie on?
The biggest crate they had. Kohaku stands 29in, and I got a crate big enough that when he stands, his ears usually don't touch. I think great dane size would be close. He gets w/e rags we have. He likes to tear things and dig nests(which just makes more holes) and he is left with old towels, pillows or w/e we have.

• How did you train your doberman to use the crate, how long did it take?
He would go in when I went to school(since he destroys things when bored, mostly back then) he would get a toy and treats. I would say under 6mo. I got him at about 8 weeks and he was already potty trained. Once I noticed he didn't wreck stuff in my room, I would leave him longer and longer out of the crate w/o me there.

• What uses does the crate serve for you and how does your doberman see the crate? (bedroom, punishment, etc)
Fall/winter it's not used since it's in the garage. Spring/summer it's too hot in the house so he goes into the garage, but since there is usually things he can wreck or pee on, he goes in his crate. He goes in willingly, but I'm sure he doesn't like it. I kick him out to the backyard(if weather is nice) as 'punishment.' Not really punishment since I don't really do that.

• When did you stop using the crate?
When I could trust him not to eat my homework, literally and anything else he could wrap his teeth around!

• What techniques did you use to Housebreak/potty train you doberman? (puppy pads, etc)
I didn't have to! He was already trained, not on purpose, it just happened that way. Trained my now mother's Chihuahua and my own new puppy by taking them out constantly or letting them stay out doors most of the time. Training them to go on pads in the house or anything like that to me is slightly cruel and just drags things out, kind of like un-training them. It's also very gross! If I had a cat, I would take it out on a walk in the yard to go....I clean my 2 rabbits cage at the very least, once a day, sometimes 2x though.

• How long did it take it become 100% reliable, no more mistakes?
Back then, I lived with my mother, so she was able to let him out when he cried to go potty. I'd say 3-5 months before he could last until I came home.

• How does your Doberman alert you that they need to go out?
Depends on what I am doing and where he is. If I am at the computer in a chair, he will nudge me then do this weird high pitched cry and if I still don't get up, he will nip at my sleeve. If I'm on my bed/couch, he will either cry/nudge me or lay on my lap making a cry/growl noise, depending if he really needs to go or has a second to get a neck rub! If I'm sleeping and he is in the laundry room(where he sleeps at night usually) he howl-cries very loud for a second then barks his 'I need out & I know your out there!' If I'm up and around the house, he will beg at the door.

• Do they go on different surfaces and in new locations easily? (if traveling and no grass is available)
I only allow him to go on the grass, if I didn't, he would go on sidewalks and in stores/vet/garage! If he is free to run(gated only) he will find a place easy. If we are going on a walk and go a new way or traveled to a new place, he will either refuse to go until he just can't hold it or until we get back to the house.
11-18-2009 05:08 PM
dobermansrule
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Originally Posted by mistervaldez View Post
...curious to know why it wouldn't be such a good idea to allow pup out in the dog run...
1) potential injury/mischief
2) theft
3) shelter/weather
4) develop nuisance habits like barking, digging
5) tendency for some people to get used to dog being outside - out of sight, out of mind syndrome. Dobes are not yard dogs.
11-18-2009 05:03 PM
mistervaldez
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Originally Posted by dobermansrule View Post
if it's a young puppy, 8 -9 hours straight in a crate is too long, for one simple reason they probably can't hold their pee or poop that long. Our experience has been 3 -4 hours in the crate max at one time and the pup needs to be let out for a potty break. This crate training will work best for you if someone is available to let the puppy out mid-day, at least. Problem you could face is the puppy relieving himself in the crate out of necessity, defeating the purpose of crate training. As the dog gets older, they can hold their pee longer amounts of time, but you have to work up to that. I wouldn't leave the puppy alone in an outdoor run all day for several reasons.
Thanks for that response...I'm sure I can make arrangements to have puppy relieved...

...curious to know why it wouldn't be such a good idea to allow pup out in the dog run...
11-18-2009 02:29 PM
dobermansrule
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Originally Posted by mistervaldez View Post
...I need to ask this question as it relates to the topic...

...during the crate training process...How long or how many hours would or should a dog stay in the crate for?...and I'll bring up a typical/general example...leaving for work, and returning 8-9 hours later...is that gonna be too long...?...I would think it is...but I'm new to this...I want to make sure this is done appropriately...

I have a dog-run set up already in my back yard...but I don't know if I should send the pup outside during the day while we're going through the crate training process...would this be okay?...and I ask this question keeping in mind that I would like to be able to teach the pup how to potty in a certain locations while outside....working on one method at a time...so do I give the pup the dog-run from the begining? or wait until they're ready?...

I'm sort of crossed-up between common sense, and an appropriate potty training method...at this point, and without knowing...leaving for work and returning after a 8-9 hours seems too long, and feel like I'd be hurting the pup in the process...(keep in mind I commute to work, so I never come home for lunch)...I really wanna make this work for puppy...BTW puppy will come home around March 2010...
if it's a young puppy, 8 -9 hours straight in a crate is too long, for one simple reason they probably can't hold their pee or poop that long. Our experience has been 3 -4 hours in the crate max at one time and the pup needs to be let out for a potty break. This crate training will work best for you if someone is available to let the puppy out mid-day, at least. Problem you could face is the puppy relieving himself in the crate out of necessity, defeating the purpose of crate training. As the dog gets older, they can hold their pee longer amounts of time, but you have to work up to that. I wouldn't leave the puppy alone in an outdoor run all day for several reasons.
11-18-2009 02:22 PM
mistervaldez ...I need to ask this question as it relates to the topic...

...during the crate training process...How long or how many hours would or should a dog stay in the crate for?...and I'll bring up a typical/general example...leaving for work, and returning 8-9 hours later...is that gonna be too long...?...I would think it is...but I'm new to this...I want to make sure this is done appropriately...

I have a dog-run set up already in my back yard...but I don't know if I should send the pup outside during the day while we're going through the crate training process...would this be okay?...and I ask this question keeping in mind that I would like to be able to teach the pup how to potty in a certain area when outside....do I work on 1 method at a time?...or do both...crate him when I'm home & give puppy the dog-run during the day? or wait until he's ready?...

I'm sort of crossed-up between common sense, and an appropriate potty training method...at this point, and without knowing...leaving for work and returning after a 8-9 hours seems too long, and feel like I'd be hurting the pup in the process...(keep in mind I commute to work, so I never come home for lunch)...I really wanna make this work for puppy...BTW puppy will come home around March 2010...
03-30-2009 03:09 PM
Teufelhund Sarge sleeps in his bed on the floor next to my bed. When I go to bed, he follows me right in, watches me put on some PJ's, waits till I climb under the covers, and then he settles in to his spot.
He's 6 months and has been like that since day 1. In the beginning I would set my alarm for about 1 or 130AM. Wake up and take him outside for his pee break ...... Yeah !!!! In the very cold PA winter.
He'd go back to sleep, and be fine until we woke up about 6 or 7.
Now, he's fine thru the night (No more alarms) and he house broke quick, so those few times he might need to go in the middle of the night now, he gently wakes me with a cold nose, and usually we both relieve ourselves.
You will never know, until you try, and if he is house broken and 8 months old, I'll bet he'll do fine.
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