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|01-08-2020 09:55 AM|
Personally if you're going to test thyroid, IMO MSU or Hemopet are your safest bets. |
As to food. I find the recommendations on the bag totally off most of the time ha! I go by dog condition. My male Weim eats around 3.5/4 cups of dry and 1 can moist and 1 raw meaty bone a day -he's around 75lbs. My female only gets 2 cups and about 1/2 cup of canned
|01-06-2020 10:58 PM|
Originally Posted by Beaumont67 View Post
Here's some stuff to keep in mind and to discuss with your vet. IDEXX is the lab we generally use--all our equipment (a whole array of test equipment is provided by them but we still send out full panel Thyroid test to MSU (Michigan State University--home of their vet school and really are the goold standard for thyroid testing and have been for many years. IDEXX was one of the few places other than Texas A & M and MSU that actually did the testing for TGaa (the other things included in a full profile are T4, T3, Free T4 by ED, FreeT3 T4 Auto-AB, T3 AutoAB and TSH ) While the T4 may look normal and fall within normal range the other things may show a different story. I had a full panel on one dog by IDEXX when they were doing the entire panel. Toad was the next dog and when I got the panel back there was a footnote on the full panel results that the TGaa which wasn't there--would be sent to us by MSU as they did that part of the test. So three of four days later we got those results.
But the thing is that IDEXX, for whatever reason, stopped doing that part of the full panel. All of my previous dogs full panels were done by MSU. So if you have a full panel done I recommend that you have your vet do the blood draw and you or the vet can access the thyroid panel information on MSU's web site--they not only give instructions for the blood draw, complete with what kind of tube that should be used and shipping instructions they also give a list of labs that can actually to the whole test--all of the components.
No you made good sense this is just some additional information so that you can check yourself to read about and see what is involved in having MSU rather than anyone else do a full thyroid panel.
And a lot of dogs start showing signs of hypothyroidism--around middle ages--five or six. I've only had a few Dobes who never were hypothyroid but those were dogs generally whelped in the 50's and 60's. All--with no exceptions, of my Dobes whelped in the early 90's have been hypothyroid--some had symptoms as early as three or four years and others somewhat later and one of them almost made it to the end of his life before his thyroid levels plummeted at 8 years..
Also for the record and for a good laugh--my Aussie went through his entire life and his T4 never changed from the first test to the last--when we were running blood panels on him because we were pretty sure he had lymphoma on a scale of 1- 4 for normal range his T 4 was still 2.52. Aussie's don't have a big problem with hypothyroidism.
And they are expensive--what's new? But it might be less expensive being done in the states for you.
|01-06-2020 11:56 AM|
Originally Posted by dobebug View Post
- 1.5 years ago, Kelly had the T4 test, sample was sent to IDEXX Lab's in Toronto
- instead of relying on their in-house test...so accuracy more guaranteed
- while a 13.0 reading on the Lowest side is OK, Kelly was @ 7.2
- but Kelly improved so drastically on the new diet...top Vet wasn't overly concerned
MSU is probably a big city Lab test, in the USA // so I'm guessing she got a good test, went sent away to Toronto Canada.
- but you bring up GREAT points...and we should have a recheck, in the big lab...next time in
- thks again AB
Did I make good sense, or maybe missing something ? ...feel free to add
- this stuff is very new to me, so much appreciated
|01-06-2020 10:52 AM|
Thanks Beau, |
I knew she was on a fairly special diet because of the soft stool issue--if she hasn't been tested for hypothyroidism you might think about that--one of the first signs of a thyroid that isn't functioning as well as it should is weight gain in spite of a diet that should not cause any weight gain plus sufficient exercise. The other thing that happens too is that owners and vets sometimes rely on just T4 levels on blood panels .
Often just T4 doesn't tell the vet enough and if Kelly hasn't had a full thyroid panel you might think about that. Hypothyroidism is very common in Dobes. MSU is still the gold standard for full thyroid panels--and are often less expensive than some of the 'full' panels done by labs whose panels are actually sent to MSU for the test.
Just sayin'. Is she on the Royal Canin Low Fat or the RC fiber (can't remember the actual name but is often used for dogs who need more fiber in their diet to resolve problems with loose stools. lRoyal Canin has some prescription diets that are second to none.
|01-05-2020 10:16 PM|
Originally Posted by dobebug View Post
- she is on a special Low Fat / High Carb diet...last 1.5 years
- since puppy bouts of soft stools...on and off first 5 years
- mainly on Orijen Regional Red Meat with a meat protein of 43%, was taxing her Liver
Amazing Vet of 40 years and a Dobe & Horse lover...finally was the one, to properly diagnose her condition.
- we spent C$800, to get to the bottom of this...with extensive full panel blood works
Now she eats...
a) Royal Canin Gastro-intentinal Vet kibble / $165 per 25# bag Canadian
- feeding guide = 6.0 cups per 100# dog // so 90# dog = 5.4 cups recommended
So this is what Kelly eats, 2x per day...each meal consists of:
a) Royal Canin Gastro-intentinal Vet kibble - 1.0 cups of dry kibble @ 20% Protein Max.
b) Moms Vet approved Home-made Low Fat/High Carb recipe
- of cooked chicken breast / white fish / ground beef / rice &/or pasta / carrots / spinach / etc...varies slightly (you get the idea)
- this home cooked meat/veggy-stew is measured out in 2/3rd of a cup
- per serving
Every day...her dry intake has been cut by 63% of feeding chart & her kibble is mixed with a homemade Low Fat supplement...in limited quantity.
- KEL only gets 2 cups of dry and 1.5 cups of homemade...plus a few dehydrated Liver bites (100% Liver, zero other ingredients)
While I would love to see her loose 7-10 pounds, I'm afraid...she is far from being overfeed. >> and her High Protein has been cut from 43% to 20% max. (1.5 years ago)
|01-05-2020 06:16 PM|
|01-05-2020 05:58 PM|
Hey Beau, |
Does Kelly really weigh 90 pounds? How old is she now? 90 pounds is pretty hefty for a bitch--has she had her thyroid checked lately...I know a couple of people weren't really aware that their girls were weighing more than they should until their vets mentioned it to them
Toad who was a big Dobe--28.5 inches, for most of his adult life weighed 85 pounds--he was pretty heavy boned as well.
|01-05-2020 04:16 PM|
|ECIN||You forgot the covers too G-Red Don't know how they steel them , but there good|
|01-05-2020 04:02 PM|
|Gretchen_Red||Prepare to spend all of your money and then some on your dog. First they take your heart, then they take your bed and then all of your money. You basically live with a thief now lol.|
|01-05-2020 10:11 AM|
It really depends on what food you feed, the size of your dog, etc. Calorie contents vary significantly, dogs' metabolisms vary...it's pretty hard to predict. |
I feed Proplan to both of my dogs. Don't be misled by internet "experts" on what food is "good," either. My male, who is 7, is eating Proplan Bright Mind, and does extremely well on it. My female eats Proplan Sport. Both foods are reasonably priced, formulated by veterinary nutritionists, extensively tested, meet WSAVA standards. I like Proplan a lot, and know lots and lots of long-time Doberman people who have fed Proplan for years and have had long-lived dogs.
As others have said, Dobermans (and, frankly, dogs), are expensive. Food is truly the least of the cost! Health expenses, training, and other expenses really add up. I highly recommend pet insurance, as well as simply budgeting for all the other unexpected things that pop up.
|01-05-2020 09:12 AM|
If worrying about the cost of dog food - I would highly recommend pet insurance - like 6-7 said - this can be a expensive breed to have . |
Best of luck with your pup and Pictures when he comes home would be VERY nice
|01-05-2020 09:07 AM|
|Genta||My options are probably royal canin maxi puppy for when he is a puppy (since the breeder is feeding him that too) and was thinking transitioning to merrick when he is an adult. Unfortunately the only ‘good’ dry foods available are merrick, taste of the wild and i think hollistic too. Lemme see and thank you for answering. I am financially aided just a worrying a bit too much|
|01-05-2020 07:34 AM|
The dog food bag will tell you how many cups, a 25-50-75-100 pounds an Adult pound dog will eat. |
- and Puppy formula is 50% more // by weight
Plus some crap foods, are full of corn & bi-product fillers & low quality chicken soup of heads & beaks
- so the worst kibble, takes 7 cups of dry/day to feed an adult dog...usually
The best kibbles, are free of junk & fillers / and the meat protein is much higher quality.
- typically, these more Holistic or Organic nutrient rich foods, only takes 3-5-4.0 cups of dry/day to feed an adult 100# dog
- bag is more expensive, but one feeds less...so well worth it
So every situation is different // and since you live in Indonesia, your question is harder to answer properly...not knowing what brands of food, you have access to.
- the more important question to get your head around...
- what quality of food & brand of kibble, should I buy // and that should be your homework
Worrying about the cost of dog food & budgets // a shaky start, when getting a puppy.
- they are an expensive breed, through a decade of life
- your expensive's, are relatively low only with a young & healthy puppy
- like several hundred dollars to take a broken tooth out, in Canada...or $500 USA in our girls 7th year or C$1,100 before her diarrhea was fixed
Our 90# Kelly goes through a $C165 bag of Vet food per month weighing 26.5# / plus the added cost to home cook, her chicken/Veggy/rice stew...a low protein/high carb diet.
|01-05-2020 07:30 AM|
My almost adult (about 2.5 years old) Male dobe goes through about 30lb of food per month. Some months it's a little more, some a little less. When he was a puppy, he ate 6 cups of food a day, and was probably closer to 50 lb per month. I spend about $50/month on dog food. I feed Nutrisource lamb meal and rice formula. |
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|01-05-2020 01:07 AM|
How much should a doberman eat
Hi, I’m planning to bring home a male dobe. Before bringing him home I would like to calculate how much would his spendings be per month and be prepared for it. It would be extremely helpful if you can give me a brief outline on how much a male dobe eats (in kg or lbs) per month?