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09-30-2019 05:56 AM
blueberry
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Originally Posted by ECIN View Post
Blueberry , my heart goes out to you and your husband , this is very tuff deal to deal with .

I know you have been busy and all , and probably have not had the time to read my tread on Ali is not well . I think if you read that tread , it may help answer some of your questions you are thinking about .

See , Ali girl has a mass in her intestine area , it all started out with her just quitting eating , out of the clear blue . I got on here to ask our dober friends , then she was diagnosed with her mass .

Then our group here , jumped in for support , which I just can not put into words how much that helped us . We discussed the day , when will we know ? And even thou we have had dobers since 1981 , this is our first and hopefully the last time we have to deal with cancer in a dog . It is the worst thing we have gone threw here .

I sent PM s to some on here , some I knew that had gone threw this and they responded to me . One PM , I would love to post up on here , I think that it would help others in this bad time .

If you want to talk to me , I will send you my cell number , anything to help you as the others on here has helped us

Thoughts and tons of prayers

Doc
I'm so sorry about Ali! I just found out this morning. You and your family are in our prayers. If you need to talk...please send your number. Again I'm so sorry. With the move, starting a new job, Chloe and a house hunt....well...I have been overwhelmed!
09-05-2019 06:49 AM
LadyDi Yeah .....unfortunately you and ECIN are dealing with "making your dogs comfortable" at the same time.
Feel free to lean on us or ECIN if you need to....... because we all know..... that our day will come when we will need to lean of the both of you......
Wishing peace to be with you and your famliy during this precious time with your pups.
09-05-2019 06:26 AM
ECIN Blueberry , my heart goes out to you and your husband , this is very tuff deal to deal with .

I know you have been busy and all , and probably have not had the time to read my tread on Ali is not well . I think if you read that tread , it may help answer some of your questions you are thinking about .

See , Ali girl has a mass in her intestine area , it all started out with her just quitting eating , out of the clear blue . I got on here to ask our dober friends , then she was diagnosed with her mass .

Then our group here , jumped in for support , which I just can not put into words how much that helped us . We discussed the day , when will we know ? And even thou we have had dobers since 1981 , this is our first and hopefully the last time we have to deal with cancer in a dog . It is the worst thing we have gone threw here .

I sent PM s to some on here , some I knew that had gone threw this and they responded to me . One PM , I would love to post up on here , I think that it would help others in this bad time .

If you want to talk to me , I will send you my cell number , anything to help you as the others on here has helped us

Thoughts and tons of prayers

Doc
09-03-2019 10:16 AM
blueberry Thanks everyone....we have had some luck with getting to eat but we have to change it every few days. She will lose her taste for it.....However, she is eating dog food right now! She was off it for almost a month. All of the test came back negative. I think she has cancer. We will not be having part of her lung removed to find out. We are going to make her comfortable.
08-31-2019 11:13 AM
Coco Loco Scrambled eggs always did it for Coco if she wasn't eating. Since she was having eggs she also had a piece of bacon. Why not? I just wanted to get her back to eating and didn't worry what she was having because it was just to jumpstart her.

How is Chloe doing? How are you holding up?
08-31-2019 09:56 AM
MeadowCat
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Originally Posted by blueberry View Post
Chloe is home and resting. She still wants to go on walks but eating has been a challenge. Her meds will be finished on Wednesday. I hope her some of her drive to eat comes back. I have never had a hard time getting her to eat in the past. She's kind of a hog! I'll update once we receive results.

Thank you to everyone for your kind words and thoughts. Chloe is dear to us...She is the oldest doberman I have had as an adult. Huckleberry was 6.5 and Blueberry was 4 when they died. We are just in a state. The Chloe, move, new jobs, and not having our own house yet has been tough. Another teacher walked in my classroom on Friday and I was crying....the first time I meet this man....he probably thinks I'm nuts!!! Not a great first impression....
I've always had good luck using canned Trippett green tripe to help dogs eat - you can get it on Chewy.com and they ship quickly.

https://www.chewy.com/petkind-tripet...rmula/dp/44461

I'd also try things like canned sardines mixed into her food, canned tuna with the juice, even just some chicken broth added in might entice her to eat.
08-31-2019 09:33 AM
dax0402 Just seeing this now Blueberry. Sending lots of good thoughts and prayers and hoping Chloe is OK.
08-26-2019 07:31 PM
Control_Freak Iím sorry to hear about Chloe, I canít help you with the medical mystery but you might try giving her chicken and rice to get her to eat, I also have used Stella and chewy meal toppers crushed up and sprinkled on kibble to entice them to eat. Best wishes
08-26-2019 05:18 PM
Coco Loco Whatever you decide to do for Chloe will be the right decision because you love her and she is your family not some special medical case.

Its hard because you have moved and have a new vet too and don't have a trusting relationship yet. Cocos vet and the whole clinic were very good to us when she was not well but we had a 10 year relationship with them and I trusted them because they were just as upset as we were about the old gal.

Love and spoil your gal. Enjoy her and whatever happens remember that Chloe loves you and Bob and knows you will always do the right thing for her.
08-26-2019 02:41 PM
ECIN Blueberry , you might ask the vet about putting her on some prednisone, 20 mgs for a few weeks , for some reason it helps a Dobermans appetite. It canít be used in all cases , but worth asking about .

Best of luck !

Doc
08-26-2019 02:22 PM
blueberry Chloe is home and resting. She still wants to go on walks but eating has been a challenge. Her meds will be finished on Wednesday. I hope her some of her drive to eat comes back. I have never had a hard time getting her to eat in the past. She's kind of a hog! I'll update once we receive results.

Thank you to everyone for your kind words and thoughts. Chloe is dear to us...She is the oldest doberman I have had as an adult. Huckleberry was 6.5 and Blueberry was 4 when they died. We are just in a state. The Chloe, move, new jobs, and not having our own house yet has been tough. Another teacher walked in my classroom on Friday and I was crying....the first time I meet this man....he probably thinks I'm nuts!!! Not a great first impression....
08-26-2019 02:13 PM
blueberry
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Originally Posted by Lannie View Post
This is something I have some experience with, with both people and animals. ANY time antibiotics are given, they kill off the good bacteria as well as the bad, however, they have absolutely no effect on fungal or yeast organisms, which will grow out of all proportion when there are no good "policemen" bacteria to keep them in check. Some otherwise harmless yeast organisms, for example, when left to grow unchecked, will change and grow a tail and start burrowing through intestinal walls and getting into the bloodstream and other organs. In all my years (and I'm getting to be a pretty old fart now), I've only had one vet that even considered the possibility of fungal overgrowth after a course of antibiotics. And now Cloe is on a double course. Ask your vet what their plan is to correct her gut imbalance.

Antibiotics can be a life-saver, and there is a time and place for them, but too many doctors (and vets) prescribe them willy-nilly, without thought of the consequences down the road. I know you said Chloe has a diagnosed bacterial infection, so this is one of those times they'd be necessary, and do some good, but it's destroyed her gut flora and that can make anyone feel like crap. I just finished a course of antibiotics myself, for a tooth abscess, and it about knocked me silly. I'm slowly recovering by taking a probiotic with 60 billion live cultures (that's a lot) twice a day, but it's going to take a while before I'm back to normal.

When Chloe is finished with the antibiotic, get your vet to give you an antifungal for her to help get rid of the excess fungal growth, and put her on a good (human grade) probiotic. Find one that's in capsules and is refrigerated. Tablets and capsules out on a shelf will be pretty ineffective. Refrigeration keeps them dormant, so they live long enough to make it to your gut. And the heat required to make and press a tablet pretty much kills off any good bacteria. I don't know if it's OK to put brand names in a post, but there are two that I have used that are really good, and I can give you the names of them if you want to PM me.

Some of Chloe's problems could just be the effects of the antibiotics. It's nothing to sneeze at. So finish them out, but don't make any decisions until you have her intestinal flora re-balanced and she's healthy again in her gut. THEN reassess.

I'm so sorry you're having to go through this. I just went through a mystery with my 9 year old girl and we were unable to find her problem. I hope with all my heart that you can figure out what's going on with Chloe. I'm pulling for her. AND you. I know very well the stress you're under trying to care for her. I can't imagine adding being jobless and just having moved to that stress. Hugs to you, dear one.
Thank you so much! Its so overwhelming! She will be done with the antibiotics on Wednesday. We have have and will cont. with the probiotic. Thanks for the tip about the antifungal...we will look into that. Thank you for you kind thoughts.
08-26-2019 02:10 PM
blueberry
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Originally Posted by ECIN View Post
Sorry to read this BB . Hope Chloe gets well very quick .

I agree with MC , I would do every test there is before a surgery on a senior + you said she is not eating very good . Did you ask what the Drs thought on her chances ? Either way , with or with out surgery ? Time ? Is she at a pet hospital ? Or being treated at one ?


Best of luck ! Thoughts a prayers from Indiana
The vets are still running test and waiting for results. Once the results are in...then we will have that talk. She is home now. She was in the hospital. We probably will not have surgery. Bob and I agreed that she is too old, so we are trying everything else. The one thing I don't like is the DR. is starting to refer to her as a 'interesting case" I don't really like that....she's my family. Thank you for your thoughts.
08-26-2019 02:06 PM
blueberry
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Originally Posted by MeadowCat View Post
Hoping to hear a good update.
We are still awaiting test results. Hope to hear something this week.
08-26-2019 02:05 PM
blueberry
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Originally Posted by MeadowCat View Post
First, I'm SO sorry - I can't imagine how stressful this is for you.

A couple of questions. You said Chloe has seen the cardiologist and her heart looked good. Just to clarify that - did she have both an echo and a 24 hour holter done? I only ask because I do know dogs can have completely normal echos even in full fledged DCM, but have very abnormal holters, even in the end stages. I don't know if that would be true with CHF, which would produce the coughing, but, just to rule that out as a possibility?

Like Mel said, if you're looking for "what would you do" types of advice....my *personal* inclination with a senior dog would probably be to wait and see if the medications do anything...wait long enough to see if it may in fact be fungal or bacterial. I honestly am not sure I would put a 9 year old through that kind of surgery - it would be a really tough call for me. It's not just the financial component (and I don't think it's wrong for that to be a factor, insurance or not), but simply the affect that such a surgery has on a senior dog and the quality of life. I don't think it's a wrong decision if that's what your gut is telling you.

If you feel like you want to do the surgery, I also don't think that's a "wrong" decision, though. I think it really depends on whether you think she's physically up to such a surgery, whether you can handle the stress of it (financially, emotionally, etc).

It's so incredibly stressful when there isn't an easy answer of what the problem is in the first place, because then we can't even weigh the options very well. I'll be thinking of you guys. I don't think you can make a bad decision here - any decision you make will be one you make out of love for Chloe, and that's all any of us can do. You'll do the very best you can for her with the information you have.
Please excuse my delay....I wanted to spend all weekend with Chloe. No, she has not had a recent holter. I was not aware she could have DCM with a clear ultrasound. Yikes! I'll look into that. Thank You

I really don't want to put her through a lung reduction. I think she's too old to go through it. I guess I was looking for someone to say its alright to not have it. It's so stressful... we love her so much. I need to get out of the mindset that if we spend enough money that we can fix her. We have been down this road before with Blueberry. The outcome was not good. I guess we are still hopeful it's pneumonia.

Thank you for your kind thoughts.
08-26-2019 11:21 AM
MeadowCat Hoping to hear a good update.
08-24-2019 02:59 PM
ECIN Wonder how Chloe is doing ? I hope she is getting better !
08-24-2019 08:19 AM
Lannie
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Originally Posted by blueberry View Post
We are on a double dose of antibiotics right now. She finished the first course and started the second course yesterday. I think they are waiting to see if the fungal culture grows before we go that route.
This is something I have some experience with, with both people and animals. ANY time antibiotics are given, they kill off the good bacteria as well as the bad, however, they have absolutely no effect on fungal or yeast organisms, which will grow out of all proportion when there are no good "policemen" bacteria to keep them in check. Some otherwise harmless yeast organisms, for example, when left to grow unchecked, will change and grow a tail and start burrowing through intestinal walls and getting into the bloodstream and other organs. In all my years (and I'm getting to be a pretty old fart now), I've only had one vet that even considered the possibility of fungal overgrowth after a course of antibiotics. And now Cloe is on a double course. Ask your vet what their plan is to correct her gut imbalance.

Antibiotics can be a life-saver, and there is a time and place for them, but too many doctors (and vets) prescribe them willy-nilly, without thought of the consequences down the road. I know you said Chloe has a diagnosed bacterial infection, so this is one of those times they'd be necessary, and do some good, but it's destroyed her gut flora and that can make anyone feel like crap. I just finished a course of antibiotics myself, for a tooth abscess, and it about knocked me silly. I'm slowly recovering by taking a probiotic with 60 billion live cultures (that's a lot) twice a day, but it's going to take a while before I'm back to normal.

When Chloe is finished with the antibiotic, get your vet to give you an antifungal for her to help get rid of the excess fungal growth, and put her on a good (human grade) probiotic. Find one that's in capsules and is refrigerated. Tablets and capsules out on a shelf will be pretty ineffective. Refrigeration keeps them dormant, so they live long enough to make it to your gut. And the heat required to make and press a tablet pretty much kills off any good bacteria. I don't know if it's OK to put brand names in a post, but there are two that I have used that are really good, and I can give you the names of them if you want to PM me.

Some of Chloe's problems could just be the effects of the antibiotics. It's nothing to sneeze at. So finish them out, but don't make any decisions until you have her intestinal flora re-balanced and she's healthy again in her gut. THEN reassess.

I'm so sorry you're having to go through this. I just went through a mystery with my 9 year old girl and we were unable to find her problem. I hope with all my heart that you can figure out what's going on with Chloe. I'm pulling for her. AND you. I know very well the stress you're under trying to care for her. I can't imagine adding being jobless and just having moved to that stress. Hugs to you, dear one.
08-23-2019 07:50 AM
ECIN BB ,I would also like to add , if you have any questions about your baby , get a second opinion ! I donít if this just happened to us , but you can take your dog to two different vets and sometimes , get two completely different opinions , this happened a month ago with our Miss Ali . Ask questions to your vet , NO question is a dumb question and done be intimidated , ask away .

We do lots of research here on the farm , I also do this with our Dobers ! When talking to our vets , I like to be prepared as to what there saying , yes , ole Doc has pizzed off one or two , with my research = questions , matter of fact , one said I read to much , lol knowledge is knowledge !

Now my question time how is Chloe ? Like does still have a routine she always had ? Play ball or what ever ? What are her eyes telling you ? Eyes tell a lot !

I wish you the best , I know , itís a tuff deal , you have lots of great friends and support on here , lean on them , if need be ,

Doc
08-23-2019 05:23 AM
ECIN Sorry to read this BB . Hope Chloe gets well very quick .

I agree with MC , I would do every test there is before a surgery on a senior + you said she is not eating very good . Did you ask what the Drs thought on her chances ? Either way , with or with out surgery ? Time ? Is she at a pet hospital ? Or being treated at one ?


Best of luck ! Thoughts a prayers from Indiana
08-22-2019 09:09 PM
MeadowCat First, I'm SO sorry - I can't imagine how stressful this is for you.

A couple of questions. You said Chloe has seen the cardiologist and her heart looked good. Just to clarify that - did she have both an echo and a 24 hour holter done? I only ask because I do know dogs can have completely normal echos even in full fledged DCM, but have very abnormal holters, even in the end stages. I don't know if that would be true with CHF, which would produce the coughing, but, just to rule that out as a possibility?

Like Mel said, if you're looking for "what would you do" types of advice....my *personal* inclination with a senior dog would probably be to wait and see if the medications do anything...wait long enough to see if it may in fact be fungal or bacterial. I honestly am not sure I would put a 9 year old through that kind of surgery - it would be a really tough call for me. It's not just the financial component (and I don't think it's wrong for that to be a factor, insurance or not), but simply the affect that such a surgery has on a senior dog and the quality of life. I don't think it's a wrong decision if that's what your gut is telling you.

If you feel like you want to do the surgery, I also don't think that's a "wrong" decision, though. I think it really depends on whether you think she's physically up to such a surgery, whether you can handle the stress of it (financially, emotionally, etc).

It's so incredibly stressful when there isn't an easy answer of what the problem is in the first place, because then we can't even weigh the options very well. I'll be thinking of you guys. I don't think you can make a bad decision here - any decision you make will be one you make out of love for Chloe, and that's all any of us can do. You'll do the very best you can for her with the information you have.
08-22-2019 07:09 PM
dobegal Stay strong you are not alone.
08-22-2019 06:52 PM
TNfisher Sorry you're all going through this, I hope you get some answers soon and your girl gets well!
08-22-2019 05:58 PM
blueberry
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Originally Posted by Coco Loco View Post
I'm so sorry that Chloe is not well. I have no words of wisdom. Hopefully one of her tests will come back with a conclusive diagnosis and you can go from there planning your next steps. Hugs to you.
Thank you...
08-22-2019 05:57 PM
blueberry
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Originally Posted by Cressrb View Post
Blueberry, I am so sorry to read this, but I am no good at offering any advice. My heart goes out to you. Only one time have I been in the situation with a dog that the vet could not find what was
wrong. I had imported a Staffybull from UK and she was sick soon after. Surgeries, every kind of antibiotic, bacterial or viral, they could not determine which. Many, many tests done on the poor little girl. It has always been a mystery. So much $$$$ spent on her which I don't regret, but what we put her thru I do regret. I still think about it. I am just so sorry you and Chloe are going through this. I can only offer my best thoughts and prayers for you.
Thank you so much! I'm sorry you had to go that. This is just nuts! She's 9 and I don't know if I want to put her through the surgery. And then if we find nothing out....the vet is talking about her like she is a "case to solve" and not my beloved pet....I hate to think of the money right now but we kind of have to....staying with family is kind of hard. And my teaching certificate has not came through yet so I being paid as a long tern sub.
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