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01-23-2020 12:42 PM
Cressrb My daughter started Duggan at 8 1/2. He got his NW1 at age 9.
01-23-2020 10:50 AM
Rosemary It's not too late. And do it with both of them.

You can either look for a trainer in your area or else learn online with FDSA. Registration is open now, and classes start on the 1st. This is the intro to Nosework class. https://www.fenzidogsportsacademy.co.../courses/13342
01-23-2020 09:04 AM
Meldrew79 Yep, it's never too late! Brandy and I started when she was seven. We trialed up until she was almost 12.
As far as which dog to take, what are your goals? Do you want to gain some titles or just go out and have fun? Drive is a great thing in nose work and being able to work independently from their handler. I've seen dogs get frustrated during a tough search and revert back to obedience (if they were trained in that). They want to please their handler somehow, darn it!
01-23-2020 08:44 AM
MeadowCat I agree that it's not too late, and I think both dogs would appreciate the sport - it's really about letting the dog lead the search and learn how to use their nose, and you learning about their individual searching style and how to read them, and about the teamwork you build together.
01-23-2020 08:29 AM
greenkouki I don't think so. I started with my Zeus when he was 10. It was mainly for fun since I was doing it with my other two and didn't want to leave him out. He's now 13 and I have been entering him in a few akc trials here and there since I take him along with the other two. He has q'd every search and has a few legs in different elements! Maybe you can hook up with an instructor or class in your area.
01-23-2020 08:03 AM
spocksdad I have some Questions for you Nosework Geeks....

Eva is our smeller of our two Dobes. She LIVES to sniff, in house and especially on daily walks, even at recent awards ceremony (smelled up school superintendent presenting on stage!) However she can be a stubborn Dobe and less biddable. Spock on the other hand, is more high energy, playful and biddable, but not totally obssessed with smelling. When we play "find the treats" in the house, where I hide kibble pieces and let both Dobes in the room to find, Spock is the most enthusiast, finding the treats faster than Eva, who is a slow, but methodical sniffer.

I also play "Three Cup Shell Game" with both of them, placing a piece of kibble under one of three cups and then shuffling around. Spock loves this game usually finds the kibble cup by knocking over with his nose or giving the trademark "Dobe Paw Smack" to the cup! Eva is not so enthusiastic about the game. Spock is also much more prone to obiedience commands than Eva, who sometimes must think about things a bit...

Question 1- Is it ever too late to get into Nosework with Dobes? Both Spock and Eva are turning 10 y/o this year.

Question 2- Which Dobe would be more suited for Nosework, the Sniffer Eva or the Enthusiast, Biddable Spock? Which trait is more important for NW?

Thanks in Advance...
01-23-2020 06:47 AM
LadyDi Hoss continues Nosework classes now at intermediate level...so new instructor along with it being a 8PM class.
The later class is good as its a lot quieter in our training center. Most of the classes are done for bathe night.
Also a new instructor and I notice a big difference in Hoss.
He has not smashed a box since I started working with her.
No blind hides so far.....I always know where the scent is and she really stresses to let out the lead and give Hoss room to roam.
So far she always pairs the scent with a treat on top of the tin.
Last night we were focusing on how dogs may always skip on checking the first container or the last so off Hoss goes and he finds the scent in the first box..........then he continues checking each container.........then on two occasions last night as she was having me watch his body language closely.......he skims over the second scent.......then boom....his snout kinda scooped up then swerved back and a turn around the the box he just passed.....then this real quick look up at me. Dang it happened so fast .......but I saw it......when he did that a second time later in the class .....I was so excited.....I think the Human is finally getting it.
Hoss is really improving.......he takes in everything , then will stop for just a moment then makes his move and goes right to the source .........HE IS THINKING!!!!Hoss is working. So much fun and making a lot of new friends.
11-30-2019 08:30 PM
sgourle Just wanted to give a quick shout-out thank you to everyone who had great suggestions earlier this year on training at home. Looking forward to working toward NW3 Elite come Spring. Y'all on this thread are super supportive and have some great advice. You rock.
11-26-2019 05:22 PM
Meldrew79 That's awesome, congrats!
11-26-2019 03:50 PM
ECIN Great Job GK ! Great job !
11-26-2019 03:46 PM
LadyDi Congrats ! Glad you had fun and q'ed!
11-26-2019 03:22 PM
MeadowCat Congrats, GK!
11-26-2019 01:27 PM
greenkouki Hugo completed his SWN title over the weekend with several placements from the buried and exterior searches, all q's. Since we were on a roll I decided to move him up to advanced exteriors and advanced buried for his last two searches and he q'd in both of those as well. I was surprised since we have hardly practiced on buried hides under water, but it seemed to be no different than anything else for him. The advanced exterior search was in a parking lot and of course right in the middle of our search between finding the first and second hide a big truck started backing up and beeping! We worked through it and I was very proud of him.

I'm excited to continue on to the advanced level with him coming up in February in Sanford, NC. There will be excellent, master, and detective classes which will be great to watch. I will have to pick and choose what to do with him and Kira because they are both trialing in the advanced elements. Zeus will probably come play as well, he does great at a trial environment, I just don't push it with him since he is almost 13. All the judges love him though!
11-26-2019 12:19 PM
MeadowCat
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Originally Posted by scorning View Post
Our club hosted Michael McManus (READY, SIT, GO - Home) for two days of seminars this weekend and he had a lot of interesting theories on games and stress and proofing. I don't think there is one right way to train nosework, but we saw some pretty awesome results from the working dogs with the handler trying to "trick" the dog into false alerting. While the dogs might have fallen for it the first round, they were all drivier and more independent in subsequent runs and were less likely to false alert and went faster to source. This also helps desensitize the dogs to the unintentional cues we give our dogs when we know where the hide is in training, and when we think we know where the hide is in trials.

We played some of the games in our nosework class yesterday, and my dogs, who did not have working spots at the seminar, both had the same favorable results. For my current and future dogs, I do plan on introducing distractors earlier and giving my dogs more time to work out complex problems instead of helping them so much. For the box crushing concern, I would just use sturdier containers like plastic or metal instead of cardboard.

As a side note, my Dane Finnegan earned his second NW3 on the 16th, here are some of his videos:

Containers - https://youtu.be/qeLA8iglasw
Interiors - https://youtu.be/tAeTCgEeO5Y, https://youtu.be/dex_RiX5KGU, https://youtu.be/OsjY-JRmff8
Exteriors - https://youtu.be/1XH8YOzUoKM
Very cool! And congrats on the second NW3!
11-26-2019 12:14 PM
scorning Our club hosted Michael McManus (READY, SIT, GO - Home) for two days of seminars this weekend and he had a lot of interesting theories on games and stress and proofing. I don't think there is one right way to train nosework, but we saw some pretty awesome results from the working dogs with the handler trying to "trick" the dog into false alerting. While the dogs might have fallen for it the first round, they were all drivier and more independent in subsequent runs and were less likely to false alert and went faster to source. This also helps desensitize the dogs to the unintentional cues we give our dogs when we know where the hide is in training, and when we think we know where the hide is in trials.

We played some of the games in our nosework class yesterday, and my dogs, who did not have working spots at the seminar, both had the same favorable results. For my current and future dogs, I do plan on introducing distractors earlier and giving my dogs more time to work out complex problems instead of helping them so much. For the box crushing concern, I would just use sturdier containers like plastic or metal instead of cardboard.

As a side note, my Dane Finnegan earned his second NW3 on the 16th, here are some of his videos:

Containers - https://youtu.be/qeLA8iglasw
Interiors - https://youtu.be/tAeTCgEeO5Y, https://youtu.be/dex_RiX5KGU, https://youtu.be/OsjY-JRmff8
Exteriors - https://youtu.be/1XH8YOzUoKM
11-19-2019 03:43 PM
MeadowCat I would do the same as Melissa...we simply ignore incorrect responses, heavily reward correct responses. He needs more "mileage" in his training at this point, in my opinion, to understand what gets rewarded and what doesn't.
11-19-2019 03:03 PM
Rosemary
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I have to disagree a bit with this advice. First, if you do pick up a non-odor box make sure your hands are completely free of odor. You don't want any contamination, especially since he's so young in his scent work career.
Second, he is a box crusher. I wouldn't do anything that makes a non-odor box more interesting. If he hits on the wrong box I would completely ignore it and keep moving. This is above his pay grade right now, but that's how we overcome distractors. We do not give the distractor box any attention. Even if they alert on it, we keep moving and pay BIG when they do hit that odor box.
I definitely agree with not doing any blind searches for awhile. Set him up for success and work on those foundations!
Just going off of what a very experienced competitor and instructor has said and shown in class, and that lots of people have said helped their dogs. I've done it myself a few times. Acknowledges that you are paying attention, but aren't going to reward it.
11-19-2019 02:17 PM
Meldrew79
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If he hits on the wrong container, and insists that it's the one, just go to it, pick it up and admire it ("What a nice box! A super awesome box!"), set it back down and re-cue him to search. That acknowledges that yes, you are paying attention to what he's doing, but no, you won't pay for no odor.
I have to disagree a bit with this advice. First, if you do pick up a non-odor box make sure your hands are completely free of odor. You don't want any contamination, especially since he's so young in his scent work career.
Second, he is a box crusher. I wouldn't do anything that makes a non-odor box more interesting. If he hits on the wrong box I would completely ignore it and keep moving. This is above his pay grade right now, but that's how we overcome distractors. We do not give the distractor box any attention. Even if they alert on it, we keep moving and pay BIG when they do hit that odor box.
I definitely agree with not doing any blind searches for awhile. Set him up for success and work on those foundations!
11-19-2019 11:17 AM
LadyDi Thanks for the tips.....
Yeah with one hide......he duplicated what he did the day before .........so I will follow your instructions.
I so much wanted to remind that judge that we are in "Novice A" ......duh!!!!
But opted to not make any fuss...didn't want to piss off a judge that I might see again someday !!! LOL
We had fun!
I was happy he qualified the day before !!!
And ......Hoss is still sleeping off all of this activity.
Nosework was great way to exhaust a Doberman.....so much activity for two days.....he is still sleepy.
Everyone loved his meadowcat coat.............that certainly keeps him warm.
11-19-2019 10:04 AM
Rosemary I wonder if there had been a hot box in that spot previously? AKC uses a TON of odor, as in two drops of oil per swab, so residual odor can sometimes be a problem when search areas are reused.

When you go back to training, do not do blind searches. Set your own hides so that you know for sure which one is hot (if you think any of your cold containers have been contaminated, toss them out and get new ones). If he hits on the wrong container, and insists that it's the one, just go to it, pick it up and admire it ("What a nice box! A super awesome box!"), set it back down and re-cue him to search. That acknowledges that yes, you are paying attention to what he's doing, but no, you won't pay for no odor.

And with only one hide in Novice, why would the dog need to search all the containers? All they have to do is hit on the correct one. Some dogs like to catalog and then alert, while others will beeline for the correct container without so much as glancing at the cold one.
11-19-2019 09:02 AM
MeadowCat
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OK...on Sunday we did not qualify but I still had a great time and learned some lessons.

Same thing 10 boxes 1 scent to find (birch).
As we crossed the line the timer began.
Hoss was using his nose...he sniffed the first box, then second, then third. and on the forth box he poked his nose on the box, sat down, and looked up at me.
So I called alert.
Judge shook her head No!!
The Judge pointed to the scented box....and said to me .....in a smart azz tone...."He didn't even sniff all the boxes"!!! Female judge was a real smarty pants!
I suspose she was trying to teach me something in her own special way.
So as I thought about it........he seemed so sure.........but I think he has figured out poke the box, and sit, and get treat!
So I plan to play some of the games previously posted now that the trials are over.
Thinkin if I had it to do all over again......I would take my 2 minutes and let him investigate each box.
Then the box he seems most excited about I would return to that box and look for the same reaction......
But I was still pleased that we qualified on Saturday and was able to experience being involved with such a large event.
February 2020 we have someone called "Connie Cleveland" coming to train with dogs at our center.
Meanwhile need to get my own scent kit versus q-tips from my instructor.
Which kit do you folks recommend.
I buy my gear from someone local that makes wonderful kits - https://www.thek9nose.com/
11-19-2019 08:30 AM
ECIN So as I thought about it........he seemed so sure.........but I think he has figured out poke the box, and sit, and get treat!

LOL Di - I think you figured that out right - they are so darn smart !

The bad thing about Dobermans --- They are so hard to stay a step ahead of !
11-19-2019 08:22 AM
LadyDi OK...on Sunday we did not qualify but I still had a great time and learned some lessons.

Same thing 10 boxes 1 scent to find (birch).
As we crossed the line the timer began.
Hoss was using his nose...he sniffed the first box, then second, then third. and on the forth box he poked his nose on the box, sat down, and looked up at me.
So I called alert.
Judge shook her head No!!
The Judge pointed to the scented box....and said to me .....in a smart azz tone...."He didn't even sniff all the boxes"!!! Female judge was a real smarty pants!
I suspose she was trying to teach me something in her own special way.
So as I thought about it........he seemed so sure.........but I think he has figured out poke the box, and sit, and get treat!
So I plan to play some of the games previously posted now that the trials are over.
Thinkin if I had it to do all over again......I would take my 2 minutes and let him investigate each box.
Then the box he seems most excited about I would return to that box and look for the same reaction......
But I was still pleased that we qualified on Saturday and was able to experience being involved with such a large event.
February 2020 we have someone called "Connie Cleveland" coming to train with dogs at our center.
Meanwhile need to get my own scent kit versus q-tips from my instructor.
Which kit do you folks recommend.
11-17-2019 12:32 PM
ECIN PICTURES --- PICTURES - PICTURES ! Lady Di !

And one of Hoss's new coat made by you know who !
11-17-2019 12:06 PM
MeadowCat Glad you had a great day!
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