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10-21-2019 02:26 AM
scorning Addie has had a busy couple months with nosework. She had her first NW3 attempt, no title as we had false alerts in vehicles and interiors, but got otherwise a good first attempt. She also played in AKC scent work, getting legs in novice exteriors, buried, and interiors. Then she earned her USCSS Intermediate title and finished her UKC Novice Nosework title. We are blessed with having a lot of nosework organizations and clubs in our area. Addie is really coming into her stride in nosework, I couldn't be happier with her.
10-10-2019 04:32 AM
LadyDi Hoss had final intro class last night.
10 boxes (2 rows of five) with 1 scent birch.
Winner completed find in 6 seconds (was in first box) ...
Hoss came in second at 12 seconds.
So much fun to watch all of the dogs and how they have progressed......or shall I say how us humans have progressed!!!
Dogs seem to know what to do if the humans do their job correctly........
10-08-2019 09:13 AM
Meldrew79
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79 -- I thought your team was going ? How did you two do if you went ?
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Melissa will be at the NW3 trial with me in November - she wasn't at these
I would have loved to, but have to save some pennies! Minnesota is about 4.5 hours away so it involves a hotel stay, plus gas and the normal trial fees. I do need some of those elements, but will save them for next summer. We're focusing on that last NW3 right now! Crossing fingers, toes and paws!
10-08-2019 07:46 AM
MeadowCat
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Originally Posted by ECIN View Post
Great job you too !

Your going to really laugh at this one - But I am learning the terms here ! I was thinking L2I and L2C ------- ???? THEN - I seen on the ribbons ! L2I Interior Title ---- Well DUH ! Ken - lol

Congrats !


79 -- I thought your team was going ? How did you two do if you went ?

Doc
Thanks!

Melissa will be at the NW3 trial with me in November - she wasn't at these
10-08-2019 07:17 AM
LadyDi We are finishing up this wednesday Nosework intro. class. .........for our final class they plan to set up a pretend trial.
One of the volunteers is actually one of the AKC judge so he will be forcing us to apply the rules we have learned so far to date.
It took me a few classes to figure this out but Hoss had 2 ways of ID'ing the hide.........sometimes he would look back at me......other times he would place paw on the box. So it appears as the human I needed to pick one method as our tell......and to hold of on treating until he gave the appropriate tell......
I opted for Hoss placing his paw on box.
So this week I would hold out on giving the treat until he placed his paw on the box..........yep.......he's doing that...........
In mid november there will be an AKC trial at our training center...........I will go into an A category..........was told it's geared for beginners.......10 closed boxed with 2 finds..........so I got Hoss AKC registered and plan to enter a beginners level ...its only $25 per day...........the first night of trials are Friday....that will be fun..... that's when they deal with all the professional dogs.....police, etc.......might just go and watch that one.
Found the perfect treat ............Hoss gets whale eyes and will work like crazy for Turkey Pepperoni............when rewarding I give him little pieces.......he loves his pepperoni pieces.
10-08-2019 06:39 AM
ECIN Great job you too !

Your going to really laugh at this one - But I am learning the terms here ! I was thinking L2I and L2C ------- ???? THEN - I seen on the ribbons ! L2I Interior Title ---- Well DUH ! Ken - lol

Congrats !


79 -- I thought your team was going ? How did you two do if you went ?

Doc
10-07-2019 01:10 PM
Meldrew79 Nice job! Congratulations!
10-07-2019 10:14 AM
MeadowCat Sypha got her L2I and L2C titles this weekend, and a leg on her L2V. It was a tough search day - cold and rainy. Was really proud of how she worked for me...only missed on hide. That was on a three hide search, only 2 1/2 minutes to find them, out in the rain and wind. We just ran out of time, and she really wasn't thrilled to be out searching! I was even prouder of her that she found the last two of the day when it was raining even harder Not our dream search environment! Plus, she wasn't feeling that great - she puked that morning, but she seemed okay to go, so we went. What a trooper.

Sunday was much nicer! Sunny, warmer...but of course all the searches were indoors Interiors and containers. For containers we searched some normal boxes and some hard plastic toolbox type things....containers are NOT our favorite, so I'm really proud of her. Good girlie.

2019-10-07_10-09-25 by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr
10-01-2019 06:04 PM
MeadowCat
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We’re in Sunday too! See you there!
Woo hoo!
10-01-2019 05:53 PM
Meldrew79
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Are you in the Bloomington trial???? What day? We got into Sunday...!
We’re in Sunday too! See you there!
10-01-2019 05:12 PM
MeadowCat
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I'm super happy to share that Newtie and I earned our second NW3 on Sunday in Janesville, WI!!! It was a wet, muddy, miserable day, but the hosts, CO and volunteers were awesome and did as much as they could to keep competitors out of the elements. I give Newtie even more credit than normal because he was cooped up in the car all day. He normally gets to be out in his big kennel sitting next to me and we enjoy the day together. We took 5th place overall and earned our Container element ribbon. We have one more NW3 trial coming up in MN in November. I'd love to get it knocked out before the rule changes, but you never know how the day will go!
So happy for you guys!

Are you in the Bloomington trial???? What day? We got into Sunday...!
10-01-2019 04:38 PM
ECIN Dang CRS ! I forgot Congrats 79
10-01-2019 04:26 PM
Rosemary Congratulations!
10-01-2019 04:21 PM
ECIN Team Newtie will be fine ! They have perseverance !
10-01-2019 04:13 PM
Meldrew79 I'm super happy to share that Newtie and I earned our second NW3 on Sunday in Janesville, WI!!! It was a wet, muddy, miserable day, but the hosts, CO and volunteers were awesome and did as much as they could to keep competitors out of the elements. I give Newtie even more credit than normal because he was cooped up in the car all day. He normally gets to be out in his big kennel sitting next to me and we enjoy the day together. We took 5th place overall and earned our Container element ribbon. We have one more NW3 trial coming up in MN in November. I'd love to get it knocked out before the rule changes, but you never know how the day will go!
09-30-2019 11:02 AM
MeadowCat
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Originally Posted by LadyDi View Post
These instructions come from my training school:
When the dog gives the alert signal to the wrong box it is called a "False Alert". This can occur any time during the training program, but we usually see it start once the food is used to reward the dog for finding the scented box. When the dog notices he gets a cookie for finding the hot box, he may, if he is anything like our dogs, try to see if he can get a cookie at other boxes.

Sometimes the False Alert will show up when the boxes are closed, and the scent is fainter. Use open boxes in training for a short while . Either way it is not a good thing .

Almost every dog that has gone on to the Advanced Levels of scent work has gone though a period when they false alert.

The best way to stop this behavior is to always know where the hides are ahead of time. Ask your instructor to point out which container has the target odor before you run your dog. Then, if the dog gives you a false alert, you can use your leash to get your dog moving ahead, and you ignore the unwanted behavior, never saying a work other than another "find it" type command. Once the dog learns nothing happens when he alerts to an empty box the behavior will stop.

On another note: AKC rules say handlers can talk to their dog while they are being judges, they can touch their dogs too, and the rules allow you to reward your dog with a treat after the dog has found the target odor. You can control your dog with the leash, but you cannot give your dog a correction with the leash.

Our Big Scent Work trial is November 16th, 17th and 18th. Scent work has become the fastest growing dog sport in AKC and our last trial filled in less that 48 hours. You may want to come and watch the dogs working, and maybe you will even try your dog and see what he/she can do.
Dogs are smart....they are trying to figure out what's "good enough" to earn the reward, and you are teaching them that they need to be at the source of the odor in order to receive their reward. That's why you don't do "blind" searches (where the handler doesn't know where the hide is) too early in your training, and it's why you reward at the source of the odor. You don't rush your training, either....you need to build a really solid relationship in your dog's mind that source=reward.

And definitely, lots of dogs will "false alert" for a lot of reasons, and not just at early levels

The more you watch a lot of dogs work, the more you learn how to read the dogs working odor. It's really a dance between you and your dog, and it's about learning to read YOUR dog - when does your dog get "in odor"? When do you see "behavior change"? What does your dog do when they are working odor, and what do they do at source? Nosework is such a beautiful sport because it's really led by the DOG, not the handler, which is so very different than other sports. The best thing I can say is don't rush.
09-30-2019 10:50 AM
LadyDi
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Originally Posted by Rosemary View Post
Ilka used to "lie" because she wanted her cookie, and she wanted it yesterday. Since I set up the searches, I always knew where the hot box was, so I would just tell her to go find when she hit on the first (cold) box she came to. If she didn't start searching, well too bad, so sad, we quit and she did't get any cookies.
Thank you Rosemary.
09-30-2019 10:05 AM
MeadowCat
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Originally Posted by dobegal View Post
Team Dax competed in our first Elite trail this past Friday in Maidens VA. She was not at 100% due to a foot injury. I was all set to pull her however after our nose work coach who is also a vet returned my phone call immediately and gave expert advice Dax was able to trail yet not at peak performance. She showed her heart, spirit and willingness to work. There were 16 hides, we found 8 hides with no faults and earned 50 points to our 150 point Elite 1 title.
First, glad Dax is okay - hope the foot heals up fast. I HATE foot injuries - have battled them with Richter. What a pain!

Good work at the first Elite trial, especially with Dax not at 100%. Keep it up!
09-30-2019 10:01 AM
Rosemary
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Originally Posted by LadyDi View Post
So, Hoss appears to enjoy the rewards of nose work......but during classes .....he is just going nuts over the treat.......no matter where I place the treat when its time to start he is looking at me versus approaching the boxes to earn the treat ...our boxes now just consist of just the scent tin............ I have tried front pockets, back pockets, treat pouch carrying to my back side...............as we approach the start line ....Hoss is not looking towards the boxes.........he wants that treat that is somewhere on my body ..............Currently I am coaching him to get look into the first box............he does not appear to be looking for the scent .....he taps each box with his foot......then looks back hoping for the treat............then he will go to the next box and do the same.........once hits the hot box................he looks back and I verbally praise .........then he eats the treat out of my hand that is now inside the box. .........maybe this is normal for Intro.......class 4..........thoughts?
Ilka used to "lie" because she wanted her cookie, and she wanted it yesterday. Since I set up the searches, I always knew where the hot box was, so I would just tell her to go find when she hit on the first (cold) box she came to. If she didn't start searching, well too bad, so sad, we quit and she did't get any cookies.
09-30-2019 09:49 AM
dobegal Team Dax competed in our first Elite trail this past Friday in Maidens VA. She was not at 100% due to a foot injury. I was all set to pull her however after our nose work coach who is also a vet returned my phone call immediately and gave expert advice Dax was able to trail yet not at peak performance. She showed her heart, spirit and willingness to work. There were 16 hides, we found 8 hides with no faults and earned 50 points to our 150 point Elite 1 title.
09-30-2019 07:49 AM
MeadowCat
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Originally Posted by triciakoontz View Post
That’s awesome to get into so many! I’d rather work in the rain than the miserable heat we had on Saturday for a NW3. 92 degrees and stifling humidity. The 3 vehicles sat out all day in the blazing sun and two of them were black. We ran at 2:30 and I could not put my hand on my brown car, it was sizzling. I wondered if Boon would search vehicles at all. It was such a weird search- he never came closer to the cars than 12” and I knew exactly why he was keeping his distance, but he correctly found both hides. He normally indicates with nose to source but he lifted his paw for both alerts. Did not touch the vehicle with his paw. Got a pronounced! These smart Dobermans!

Most exciting was our 2nd place in containers with not a single paint can, tackle box, or plastic bucket knocked over! This is the dog who used to plow through containers like a runaway tank because no one taught me in all the classes I took for years how to control a container search. There were 4 TIGHT rows of containers in a small room and it was a significant converging odor puzzle. I trusted our new process and it was awesome! The judge, whom I know, and had seen Boon wipe out a container search before, gave a wonderful comment and a pronounced! Prouder of that search and the training behind it than any title we’ve gotten.

Also got our L3 element title in exteriors! Tricky puzzle = really big area with lots of objects and bricks and stone pillars and...only one hide! Pesky brain interference (there has to be another hide in this huge area) made the humans push a lot of dogs into false alerts but Boon cleared everything and never false alerted even though I made him repeat certain areas.

We would have gotten our title but dumb me missed beautiful his clear communication on a blank room. So proud of him!
That kind of weather is horrible! Stagnant air does NOT make for good searching and the heat sure sucks the life out of the dogs - very hard on them (and us!).

Congrats on the new title!
09-30-2019 07:00 AM
LadyDi These instructions come from my training school:
When the dog gives the alert signal to the wrong box it is called a "False Alert". This can occur any time during the training program, but we usually see it start once the food is used to reward the dog for finding the scented box. When the dog notices he gets a cookie for finding the hot box, he may, if he is anything like our dogs, try to see if he can get a cookie at other boxes.

Sometimes the False Alert will show up when the boxes are closed, and the scent is fainter. Use open boxes in training for a short while . Either way it is not a good thing .

Almost every dog that has gone on to the Advanced Levels of scent work has gone though a period when they false alert.

The best way to stop this behavior is to always know where the hides are ahead of time. Ask your instructor to point out which container has the target odor before you run your dog. Then, if the dog gives you a false alert, you can use your leash to get your dog moving ahead, and you ignore the unwanted behavior, never saying a work other than another "find it" type command. Once the dog learns nothing happens when he alerts to an empty box the behavior will stop.

On another note: AKC rules say handlers can talk to their dog while they are being judges, they can touch their dogs too, and the rules allow you to reward your dog with a treat after the dog has found the target odor. You can control your dog with the leash, but you cannot give your dog a correction with the leash.

Our Big Scent Work trial is November 16th, 17th and 18th. Scent work has become the fastest growing dog sport in AKC and our last trial filled in less that 48 hours. You may want to come and watch the dogs working, and maybe you will even try your dog and see what he/she can do.
09-30-2019 06:55 AM
LadyDi So, Hoss appears to enjoy the rewards of nose work......but during classes .....he is just going nuts over the treat.......no matter where I place the treat when its time to start he is looking at me versus approaching the boxes to earn the treat ...our boxes now just consist of just the scent tin............ I have tried front pockets, back pockets, treat pouch carrying to my back side...............as we approach the start line ....Hoss is not looking towards the boxes.........he wants that treat that is somewhere on my body ..............Currently I am coaching him to get look into the first box............he does not appear to be looking for the scent .....he taps each box with his foot......then looks back hoping for the treat............then he will go to the next box and do the same.........once hits the hot box................he looks back and I verbally praise .........then he eats the treat out of my hand that is now inside the box. .........maybe this is normal for Intro.......class 4..........thoughts?
09-30-2019 05:47 AM
ECIN Don't knw how I missed the videos , lol Great job team ! I love to watch the team in action . I did have to laugh , I would have not guess the reason they look at you were --- they would get a treat , boy there smart !

Tricia -So how did you train Boon to not clean out the place ? Any videos of before and after ? that would be fun to watch

Great job by both of you
09-29-2019 10:18 PM
triciakoontz That’s awesome to get into so many! I’d rather work in the rain than the miserable heat we had on Saturday for a NW3. 92 degrees and stifling humidity. The 3 vehicles sat out all day in the blazing sun and two of them were black. We ran at 2:30 and I could not put my hand on my brown car, it was sizzling. I wondered if Boon would search vehicles at all. It was such a weird search- he never came closer to the cars than 12” and I knew exactly why he was keeping his distance, but he correctly found both hides. He normally indicates with nose to source but he lifted his paw for both alerts. Did not touch the vehicle with his paw. Got a pronounced! These smart Dobermans!

Most exciting was our 2nd place in containers with not a single paint can, tackle box, or plastic bucket knocked over! This is the dog who used to plow through containers like a runaway tank because no one taught me in all the classes I took for years how to control a container search. There were 4 TIGHT rows of containers in a small room and it was a significant converging odor puzzle. I trusted our new process and it was awesome! The judge, whom I know, and had seen Boon wipe out a container search before, gave a wonderful comment and a pronounced! Prouder of that search and the training behind it than any title we’ve gotten.

Also got our L3 element title in exteriors! Tricky puzzle = really big area with lots of objects and bricks and stone pillars and...only one hide! Pesky brain interference (there has to be another hide in this huge area) made the humans push a lot of dogs into false alerts but Boon cleared everything and never false alerted even though I made him repeat certain areas.

We would have gotten our title but dumb me missed beautiful his clear communication on a blank room. So proud of him!
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