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07-09-2019 04:21 PM
4x4bike ped LOL... Must be the lack of sleep!

John
Portland OR
07-09-2019 03:04 PM
Gretchen_Red Yes, I meant docking. Oops.
07-09-2019 02:02 PM
dobebug
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Well I figured the breeder would have been asking around about the tails. When I got there, it seemed like she hadn't so I called my breeder. I'm hoping to go out to my breeder's house to watch her crop one of her litters before having my own.


No pictures because we've been too busy doing dew claws and tails. I'm hoping I can stop by sometime soon.
Hey Gretchen--did you mean "dock" there--where I bolded it or did you really mean "crop".

I hope it was a typo and you meant 'dock'.

Tail docking is tougher than most people think when it comes to getting a good job on all the puppies and none of the tails are too short or too long. One of our clinic vets (long, long, time vet) who retired about a year ago was really good at it. We don't have many breeder clients (we a city practice and that probably has a lot to do with it but at various time I was the assistant (I hold the puppy--most of the real tech's were somewhat to squeamish to do that) for quite a few of his docks. So I saw him do litters of cocker spaniels, springer spaniels, min pins, standard poodles and some other breeds--can't think of which ones offhand though. He always asked if the litter was show or pet--and asked the breeder if it was a show litter (hopefully) how long they wanted the dock. His docks were always very consistent.

Gretchen, most of the Dobe tails I've seen done when they were done by the breeder were done more by feel than anything else--at least on Dobes. Almost no one was docking at two joints (and boy is it ever hard to feel joints in barely mineralized tails at 2 or 3 days) they were docking at more like 3 juints.

dobebug
07-09-2019 01:04 PM
Gretchen_Red
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We are hoping we made the correct decision at just over a half inch and under 3/4 of an inch. Does anyone have any input

Well Granny -lmao here , itís a little late to ask opinions after the cows got the gate.

Quit making excuses here and get some more pictures up before John and I have a puppy fit
Well I figured the breeder would have been asking around about the tails. When I got there, it seemed like she hadn't so I called my breeder. I'm hoping to go out to my breeder's house to watch her crop one of her litters before having my own.


No pictures because we've been too busy doing dew claws and tails. I'm hoping I can stop by sometime soon.
07-09-2019 12:34 PM
ECIN We are hoping we made the correct decision at just over a half inch and under 3/4 of an inch. Does anyone have any input

Well Granny -lmao here , itís a little late to ask opinions after the cows got the gate.

Quit making excuses here and get some more pictures up before John and I have a puppy fit
07-09-2019 11:58 AM
Gretchen_Red The tail docking was yesterday. It will be interesting to see how the tails turn out. The vets book said to dock them at about 3/4 of an inch. My breeder, who does great tails, said to take the tail down to the swirl, which was over a 1/2 inch but less than 3/4 of an inch. Tail docking may seem easy to most people that see puppies but you are seeing them at a much older age. At 3-4 days old the difference between 1/2in. and 3/4in. may seem small but when they are older is a big length. We are hoping we made the correct decision at just over a half inch and under 3/4 of an inch. Does anyone have any input?
07-08-2019 11:51 AM
Gretchen_Red
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I grew up with a couple of female cats--except for the C-section brand new moms and brand new kittens do most of the same things. So I wasn't as worried about crying kittens and crying mom. Although momma cats are a little better about moving kittens who have gotten "out of range" back near her than first time mom dogs.

Experienced momma dogs will let puppies get as far away as she can stretch her neck and then reach out, snag the puppy and pull it back to her. But those initial blind forays around the whelping box builds muscle on those little guys and the exercise gives them good appetites. While the beginning of socialization is the holding and cuddling of puppies they do need time off to just do what puppies do naturally.

Sounds like you guys are having fun with these baby dogs, Gretchen.

dobebug
We are having so much fun! I can't believe how much I love them! I was hesitant on wanting to be a breeder before but now I'm all for it. If only we didn't have to sell the puppies.... That's where I hear all of the horror stories.
07-08-2019 11:21 AM
dobebug I grew up with a couple of female cats--except for the C-section brand new moms and brand new kittens do most of the same things. So I wasn't as worried about crying kittens and crying mom. Although momma cats are a little better about moving kittens who have gotten "out of range" back near her than first time mom dogs.

Experienced momma dogs will let puppies get as far away as she can stretch her neck and then reach out, snag the puppy and pull it back to her. But those initial blind forays around the whelping box builds muscle on those little guys and the exercise gives them good appetites. While the beginning of socialization is the holding and cuddling of puppies they do need time off to just do what puppies do naturally.

Sounds like you guys are having fun with these baby dogs, Gretchen.

dobebug
07-08-2019 10:47 AM
Gretchen_Red Sorry guys, it's been crazy. The puppies are all doing VERY well. Some interesting things.


Now this could be because they were born C-section but our mentor acted like it was a normal thing for a first time mom. She did a great job of licking them and activating them but the momma would have them all over the dang whelping box. And they would be whining because they wanted to be near her and she would be whining because they were whining. So then Joannah and I were freaking out but we didn't want to call our mentor because we wanted to do it on our own, but we also didn't know what to do.... Come to find out we had to kind of help momma and puppies by picking them up and putting them around the nipple so they would try to latch on. Then they would be quiet and momma would be happy again. I'd say it took about 2 days for the momma to start relaxing around them and laying her head down. I just assumed momma and puppies would know where to go and what to do.

I was also a bit surprised at how often you give the momma calcium, in my mind it was like once a day or so but it's like every few hours. Makes me wonder how dogs in the wild do it? She also drinks a TON of water. Makes sense because the puppies are eating so much but I guess I just didn't think much about it.

I also realized that I'm addicted to picking the puppies up. Our mentor had to get on us saying, "The puppies don't need to be eating or sleeping near momma 24/7 if they are sleeping and happy and away from her it's fine.

We all know that these puppies are perfect but I'm surprised at how well they're getting around, considering their eyes and ears are closed and all.

Last night we did dew claws. It was very interesting to watch. I, of course, was on puppy duty, so I got them out of the whelping box and then once done put them in the warming box. Since it wasn't my litter I refused to hold the cuties while they were being declawed. They yelped a little when the clamp was on but immediately stopped as soon as it was over, hardly any bleeding, if any at all. Kind of cool.

Today is tail docking day, I'm not looking forward to this. I've heard it's much harder than cropping day, which I've attended one of those last year. Because of all of the AR crazies I won't go into detail on the thread but if you're interested in details you can message me.
07-08-2019 07:59 AM
yuki_cos Congrats!
07-07-2019 11:06 PM
melbrod Maybe you could start a new thread for the puppies--include this link so people can look at your adventures so far.

07-07-2019 09:01 PM
4x4bike ped Uh Karen... I know that it has only been 1 day.

Still, some of us are chomping on the bit for an update!

John
Portland OR
07-06-2019 12:08 PM
dobebug Congratulations Gretchen and Mav.

While I'm sorry the first puppy was stillborn it's often the case that Ma Nature knows more than we do about why one puppy should live and another should not.

But you've got a nice healthy six puppies out it.

dobebug
07-06-2019 08:03 AM
Artemis Congrats! I am so glad I didn't see this before the updates or I would've been worried sick on your behalf!
Sometimes that happens. There was a breeder I knew who lost a puppy in the first 24 hours from a litter of 7. Vets aren't really sure why. It's a bit scary when the first one out is the stillborn though!
07-05-2019 11:57 PM
melbrod I would guess collarless is the boy??

Help us out, GR. Explain.
07-05-2019 11:32 PM
alan j. It is amazing how great a life force will grow out of those little things!
Hope that you make all the right choices for them! Thanks for sharing.
07-05-2019 11:15 PM
StrykersPerson
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I see one missing a collar. What's up with that?

Is that one mine?
07-05-2019 10:51 PM
StrykersPerson
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Oh WOW Karen.

I am so happy for you, the Momma, her owner and the puppies!

Cute photos.... There is nothing like the sight of babies pig piling and/or nursing.

John
Portland OR
At least Mama has backup nipples when the little piglets suck the other ones dry!

How cute they are!

Congrat's Gretch!

07-05-2019 03:46 PM
Fitzmar Dobermans Congrats to all! Hopefully it will be smooth sailing after a bit of a rough start!
07-05-2019 02:55 PM
ECIN I want the purple girl
07-05-2019 02:42 PM
LadyDi I can hardly wait to hear all the details about what you learned ..........so cute ......cannot quit looking at them.........
07-05-2019 02:22 PM
Gretchen_Red Thank you everyone! We are so happy. I can't believe how worried I was and how proud I am and they aren't even my puppies! Just the most beautiful ones I've ever seen! What a great experience this has been!
07-05-2019 02:15 PM
ECIN Hot damn daddy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been mowing the yard and thought a out them puppies the whole time ,just got done and came in here to see if there was any news ! And by golly there was ---GOOD NEWS !

Congrats Karen !

I think I'll have to have a Miller Lite and a big Cigar !

: grin2::g rin2:
07-05-2019 01:58 PM
CRDobe Congrats to al!!!! Beautiful babies!
07-05-2019 01:42 PM
melbrod Whew...I'm so glad for all of you.

And now the work (fun?) begins in earnest.
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