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05-01-2019 10:42 PM
4x4bike ped Hi Artemis... The last time McCoy had an echocardiogram, I was in the room, petting his head. As our cardiologist explained what he was seeing (and I was watching), observing, his initial observation was that his heart looked good. It was very interesting....

He was Holtered that day and I returned the next day, they removed the monitor.

When all was done, and all tests were back and evaluated, Dr Gary Wood spent as much time with me until I was comfortable. For about 5 minutes he walked me through all the testing and analysis

It was awesome.

My kind of Vet!

Portland OR
05-01-2019 09:41 PM
Artemis No, since the echo was done at an organised OFA health clinic (360$ vs 600$), we don't actually get a follow up appointment. The cardiologist is part of a mobile cardio unit - that's basically almost the only thing they do, health days/health clinics all around the province to provide ECGs and and Echos, and congenital cardiac exams. They will also come in as specialists to stationary vet clinics when called upon. But I have to take Nadia in for her rabies next week so I will bring the report and ask the vet. I did dig around a little and found that the normal EF values are expected 50% to 70% in dogs in general, with the closest to 70% being the best possible, but 45% is considered normal for Dobermans. Nadia's EF was 66% so that's encouraging.

Thank you for the links melbrod, I'm no stranger to technical papers (I once realized how weird I was when I was about 17 and reading a scientific paper about - in layman's terms: necrosy of the wrist bones caused by microfractures due to repeated stress. Mostly observed in gymnasts). So I'll take a peek and print it out for reading on the days I've got to commute by public transit for an hour and a half lol!
05-01-2019 12:00 PM
MeadowCat Did you talk with the cardiologist who did the echo?
05-01-2019 08:49 AM
Fitzmar Dobermans I'm no vet myself - I rely on my vet cardiologist to let me know what is what. I do know that what is considered normal for a Doberman may not be normal for other breeds. There are others on here that know a lot more than me - maybe they will chime in.
05-01-2019 02:39 AM
melbrod Yay that her heart health is good!!

For an explanation of the test results in educated layman terms? I dunno, maybe ask your general vet, or talk to the cardiologist/whoever did the testing and provided the results what all of the details mean??

Just searched online for something with a bit more detail about diagnosis...these *might* have some answers for you ? I didn't plow through both of them--they are rather technical, so I don't know that I can say it's exactly what you want, but....

Proposed Guidelines for the Diagnosis of Canine Idiopathic Dilated Cardiomyopathy
Journal of Veterinary Cardiology, Vol.5, No. 2, November 2003)

European Society of Veterinary Cardiology screening guidelines for dilated cardiomyopathy in Doberman Pinschers
Journal of Veterinary Cardiology September 2017

I bet someone else here has some good resources that are more readable....
04-30-2019 10:44 PM
Reading OFA Echo evals

So Nadia's advanced cardiac exam results finally showed up in the mail today!
And her heart is currently normal and healthy as of March 30th, which backs up the normal holter (0 PVCs) in december.
I'll submit these two together to OFA when I do her thyroid panel, and maybe the WAE this Summer so I can get her CHIC (Hips, Elbows, vWD are already done for the CHIC as well as several other things that I tested either to contribute to research purposes or get more info).

But I digress!
Ever curious, it is not simply sufficient for me to be told that her heart is normal, I need to understand why it is normal - and what is the normal range for different values, what would make it abnormal etc.
I wish to better understand the echocardiogram report. I was wondering if someone here knew or had a resource I could read to learn more about canine cardiology and specifically echo report interpretations? I Know EF stands for Ejection Fraction. But what's 2D vs MM? I'm guessing RL and VL might stand for Right and Left Ventricule respectively?

A nerd wants to know.

Picture of Nadia playing yesterday for tax

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