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09-17-2019 07:46 AM
steris56 I'm so sorry.

I saw your post and had to log in. I lost my Penelope two weeks ago to osteosarcoma in the right hind leg. Despite amputation and 3 rounds of chemo, we found it in her lungs 6 weeks ago and she was gone shortly after. We only made it 122 days from diagnosis.

We did her necropsy and we, honestly, had no chance from the start. At some point between her two chest xrays, she developed mets along her chest wall, heart, and in 80% of her lungs. And I was as aggressive with treatment as I could be. She was even in a Yale EGFR/Her2 vaccine trial but her mets were too advanced to yield any benefit.

My advice to you would be to make contact with one of the vaccine trial folks ASAP. My personal contact was Dr. Mark Mamula of Yale, who is running a phase I study with a EGFR/Her2 vaccine but there is a very effective Her2/Neu vaccine (it's pretty powerful and cleared from clinical trial so pricey). Carboplatin can be pretty effective but I suspect, by the time I'm practicing, chemo will not be first-choice in the pediatric model.

I could talk all day about how the standard of care may not serve some cases (2nd year med student here!) but this is all something to talk at great length with your oncologist.

I am so sorry. This is a terminal diagnosis but they give us their all. I know you will do the same.
05-08-2019 09:42 AM
ellierose Hi! I think of Huck often and thought I would reach out for an update on how he is doing. Thanks.
02-15-2019 08:31 AM
LadyDi So glad to see Huck is doing so well these days.........
Brutus......he is my dogs best buddy is the one that had his front leg amputated.....he is also doing really good now.
Quality of life is great ...appears to be the same for Huck.
Power to the Dobes!!!!!
02-14-2019 11:42 PM
melbrod Info just for the heck of it, from pool specialists:
"Young children, the elderly and others often need 80° F or warmer water, however, and hydrotherapy calls for warmer water, too. Although 78° F to 82° F takes in about everyone, how warm you should keep your pool actually depends on personal preference."

Pools are kept on the cool side for competitive swimming, but 70 is darn cold.

He's looking good....zipping right along in your swimming video.

Keep the updates and pictures of handsome Huck coming.
02-14-2019 11:03 PM
CalamitysHuckleberry Huck went swimming finally. So when they say heated pool and asked if I would get in with him, I couldn’t say “Hell yeah!” quick enough. After all it is Minnesota and it’s been -friggin cold lately. So the day we went was of course miserable, slick-snotty roads. He fell a couple of times. Got him on top and they told me to go in first. So I stripped down to my shorts, t-shirt and five finger shoes excited to get into this heated tank and especially with Huck. O. M. F. G. I thought my heart was going to stop (I know it skipped a beat), who’d of thunk that 70 degrees was ALL the water was heated to. It was so coldddd. Hypothermia sets in at body temp lower than 95.

But it was too late to stop Huck, he followed me right down the ramp. Then tried to claw his way out. But as we calmed down, he got the hang of it. Of course no dock diving, although he would’ve been a champ when all legged.

He’s labs are good for round three of chemo next week. I think he gets sedated and xray of his chest again.


Hoping you can see video on YouTube

https://youtu.be/wWX-UYBsYPc

Here’s a still JIC


Then I’m trying to label this unrelated photo. Maybe “First they took my tail, then my balls, then my leg. Well I’m fighting back now!






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02-05-2019 03:18 PM
dax0402 Thanks for the update. Stay strong Huck!
02-05-2019 03:02 AM
CalamitysHuckleberry
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Originally Posted by spocksdad View Post
Great to hear such a positive update, CH!

Requesting you post a video of Huck's Chuck-It ball squeeze action in this or on the Squeaky Toy Thread (Spock's Public Service...) We've got some hilarious video clips over in that thread...

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Two months after Spock's cyst & lipoma surgery on three areas, he started to lick raw his right hip surgery site for some reason (itching)? It got so bad I had to put donut collars on him for a couple of weeks.

After trying everything in my dog medicine arsenal, I took him back into vet who prescribed Tresaderm topical wide spectrum anti-biotic/anti-fungal drops.
Spock can't be on oral anti-biotics when doing his Therapy Dog Reading weekly visits, so I had requested topical medication.

https://www.chewy.com/tresaderm-topi...cats/dp/173260

Tresaderm worked miracles after twice/day application began! Instructions said to shave hair off around irritated area, but I was trying to get hair to grow back in.
Instead, I would clean/dry area with Chlorhexadine antiseptic before applying. I would also overcoat lightly with Sulphatiazol powder to help me determine if he was licking area during day.

Well, after two days, I removed collars, and Spock stopped licking area. I still continued to apply Tresaderm for next 10 days just to make sure problem was knocked out. Hair is regrowing well now.

I don't know if Tresaderm might work for Huck's major surgery area, but you could run it by your vet?



Spock Right Hip Surgery Day of Surgery



Spock Right Hip Surgery Area 2 mo Post Op- Irritated & Licked Raw



Spock Right Hip Surgery Area- Cleared Up After Tresaderm Treatment


Ohh wow! That made a huge difference. I’ll definitely keep that in mind. His is healed. We just donut him when left alone because we aren’t sure what caused his incision to dehiscence. It was completely healed.
I think it was a combination of separation anxiety, possibly phantom pain, and that neuropathic pain/burning/numbness/itch that one only knows if they have neuropathic pain (which I do). I could only imagine how much worse it is on an amputation, locked up, non-commutative. But I think I might get the tresaderm just to have on hand! Thank you so much.

I’ll find or shoot a new video of him hypnotizing with the suctioning of a ball.

Today he slipped twice and fell on his stump trying to play. He second time he got up and when I went to him to hug/help balanced him self he then let out a slow low to high scream. Kinda like a toddler does when they fall but don’t start crying until you run up to him and hug him. So not sure if he injured himself. Incision looks good, doesn’t appear to be palpable pain. But not taking chances and covered the hardwood floor in various carpet pieces. So no toys much tonight. I increased his med a bit to offset the possible pain.


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02-04-2019 01:08 PM
spocksdad
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalamitysHuckleberry View Post
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I know he’s feeling normal when he incessantly bites down on a glow in the dark chuck it ball. He positions it so the two holes in the ball will suction onto his cheeks, then squeezes it over and over in his mouth. It’s the craziest thing. It puts him in a trance. ...

Great to hear such a positive update, CH!

Requesting you post a video of Huck's Chuck-It ball squeeze action in this or on the Squeaky Toy Thread (Spock's Public Service...) We've got some hilarious video clips over in that thread...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Two months after Spock's cyst & lipoma surgery on three areas, he started to lick raw his right hip surgery site for some reason (itching)? It got so bad I had to put donut collars on him for a couple of weeks.

After trying everything in my dog medicine arsenal, I took him back into vet who prescribed Tresaderm topical wide spectrum anti-biotic/anti-fungal drops.
Spock can't be on oral anti-biotics when doing his Therapy Dog Reading weekly visits, so I had requested topical medication.

https://www.chewy.com/tresaderm-topi...cats/dp/173260

Tresaderm worked miracles after twice/day application began! Instructions said to shave hair off around irritated area, but I was trying to get hair to grow back in.
Instead, I would clean/dry area with Chlorhexadine antiseptic before applying. I would also overcoat lightly with Sulphatiazol powder to help me determine if he was licking area during day.

Well, after two days, I removed collars, and Spock stopped licking area. I still continued to apply Tresaderm for next 10 days just to make sure problem was knocked out. Hair is regrowing well now.

I don't know if Tresaderm might work for Huck's major surgery area, but you could run it by your vet?



Spock Right Hip Surgery Day of Surgery



Spock Right Hip Surgery Area 2 mo Post Op- Irritated & Licked Raw



Spock Right Hip Surgery Area- Cleared Up After Tresaderm Treatment
02-04-2019 10:42 AM
melbrod It's so good to hear that you guys are doing better. Thanks for all of the pictures. I especially love the doberman wad.
02-04-2019 09:04 AM
Cressrb Thank you, Calamity for the update. Such good news. I am not on FB either, so glad to read this. The best to you.
02-04-2019 08:51 AM
CalamitysHuckleberry
Huck and cancer

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Originally Posted by dobebug View Post
Have they considered doing sugar bandages (or honey)? The vets at the clinic where I've worked for years have had some great success with sugar bandages particularly when there was extensive skin loss either because of surgery or degloving (like you get with a dog who fell out of a car/truck in motion while on leash and got dragged--those are always very dirt and tend to infect and spread under good skin and are hard to stop from spreading. Poor guy--but he's still plugging along and that's definitely something.

Bad boy Huck for licking but good boy for toughing it out.


I know when I last worked in the ER, they had just started using honey, especially for decubitus type sores. Didn’t realize it made its way to pets (although I’m sure it started with animals, at least clinically).

I’m from the South and I remember as a kid and as a paramedic, that honey was used a lot on wounds, passed down from Native Americans. Also went on more calls than I want to remember of the use of Mayonnaise for sunburns and butter for thermal burns. Heck, more than once I had chewing tobacco placed on a bee sting, finger nail polish on chigger bites, and my Mother would make us go outside to pee if we had a stye in our eye because the next person that went by (our pee) would get it. Of course it was her brothers that took me snipe hunting too.

Seems the honey was the only one that was legit. I know it’s been very successful in wound care.

Fortunately we didn’t have to go the honey route because stopping him from licking it off would’ve been near impossible. His re-incision healed remarkably well and quick. He’s not happy wearing the cone whenever left alone which is almost never. We even got a camera to watch him while he’s alone.

He had his second chemo last week, on the coldest day ever (windchill -53). We prepared more than some do taking a newborn out. He didn’t have any ill side effects this time. We have his first schedule swimming session on Wednesday. It’s at a indoor heated dock diving tank. So hopefully that works out.

Here’s a few pictures



A wad of dobermans and MBM coats



Took his coat off and it broke him



I know he’s feeling normal when he incessantly bites down on a glow in the dark chuck it ball. He positions it so the two holes in the ball will suction onto his cheeks, then squeezes it over and over in his mouth. It’s the craziest thing. It puts him in a trance.



Thanks again for all the positive thoughts and words of encouragement!



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01-14-2019 12:38 PM
dobebug Have they considered doing sugar bandages (or honey)? The vets at the clinic where I've worked for years have had some great success with sugar bandages particularly when there was extensive skin loss either because of surgery or degloving (like you get with a dog who fell out of a car/truck in motion while on leash and got dragged--those are always very dirt and tend to infect and spread under good skin and are hard to stop from spreading. Poor guy--but he's still plugging along and that's definitely something.

Bad boy Huck for licking but good boy for toughing it out.
01-14-2019 11:30 AM
eegreen Bless his heart, Huck truly is a superhero. Hugs to both of you!
01-13-2019 12:46 PM
Cressrb Goodness! I think we all needed that relief in laughter! I was going along with the same imagery in my head that you had.

Praying for Huck today that the infection heal.
01-13-2019 10:45 AM
4x4bike ped Stick in there Huck!

John
Portland OR
01-13-2019 02:52 AM
CalamitysHuckleberry Once again another “it is unusual for this to happen” statement about Huck. We left him alone for a few hours yesterday and the previously completely healed incision is now opened up called “dehiscence”. They said they don’t see this in a completely healed incision. It’s noted in his file on how wonderfully healed his incision was on Tuesday when he had his sedation, chest X-ray, and chemo.

He apparently licked it open while we were gone and in 10 hours, five pads later infection has already set in.
Of course the tissue is compromised and can’t be re-sutured so he’s being cleaned, bandaged, cultured, and giving antibiotics.
First picture was at 6PM, last is at is at 4AM. There is a 8PM picture that’s really explanatory but it won’t upload. Facebook found it graphic and issued a warning before viewing.

So much for going swimming on Monday. I don’t know which one of us is more exhausted. He just needs a little bit of a break.





He’s now learned how to sit on the recliner. His one remaining leg in the back gets tired.



And the only thing more offensive than the cone/pillow is getting ones bum and penis wrapped with a pressure dressing!




On a different note, upon relating to the oncologist about how Huck enjoys whining as a habit, she said she has another male Doberman patient that’s the same way. When we asked what he has, she said also osteosarcoma and had four legs amputated. I said “What? What do they do just pull him around in a wagon?”, she said no that he actually is doing very well getting around now that the cancer is gone!
She then went on talking about how important quality of life for Huck is their number one focus. I said how I understand that but about that other Doberman, “how can he have a great quality of life without any legs and how does he get around so much better? Does he roll around?” She looked at me like I had ten heads and said “Huh, he hops around like Huck”, and I said “How with no legs?” Then it occurred to me that she said “fore-leg amputation”, not “four legs amputated”.
I’m laughing so hard now just repeating it, LMFAO.



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01-09-2019 09:31 AM
Hilary Following this and terrified like everyone else when I saw an update. So proud of your boy.

WAY TO GO INCREDIBLE HU(L)CK!!!
01-08-2019 08:49 PM
4x4bike ped I love good news..

You go Huck! And yes F*** cancer.

Survival rate among humans has risen dramatically and mortality is down equally.
These days canine medical care closely follows human medical care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_survival_rates

John
Portland OR
01-08-2019 07:39 PM
Cressrb Thank you, thank you for this update. I have been wondering about him today and fearing the worse. This gave me tears of joy, literally. Huck is my new Hero.
01-08-2019 07:20 PM
melbrod Mr. Glowy eyes....


AKA Superman!





Hang in there mom. Love his coat and THX for the update.
01-08-2019 07:18 PM
LadyDi Man o man you had me worried......WOW.....what a roller coaster you have been on !!!
Thanks so much for the update. So so happy for you tonight.
01-08-2019 07:11 PM
CalamitysHuckleberry
Huck and cancer

I’m sorry for not updating sooner. After a bit more trial and tribulations, Huck appears to be on the upswing.

He wouldn’t lift his head one night, seemed painful when we would try to open his mouth to give meds and force some baby food. We then noticed that his gums, lips, roof of his mouth, inside cheeks were mottled.

This was the next time that I thought this is it. I laid with him all night, tried to get him to eat his favorite foods. I even grilled out steak, chicken, hotdogs, shrimp because we felt it was time to have him PTS but wanted his regular vet to do it, so I was preparing his “last meal”. He wouldn’t eat those things. I pressure cooked a pork roast and about 5AM his raised his head and gobbled the pork roast. Then some oatmeal, then got up, then went out, wagged his numb. Once again I underestimated him.
Then this happened. He was always stealing my shoes. For some reason he took all right shoes, go figure.



Things went well until he started the screaming in pain again around New Years.
Once again I thought this is it. His regular vet was off on vacation and her wonderful fill in was available, both professionally and emotionally. We got him back on gabapentin 300 mg three times a day, Rimadyl twice a day and he really hasn’t stopped since.
He’s also started liking people. He goes up to people and gives kisses, leans in wanting pets, although anxious he’s also excited.
Because of the underestimating him, his resilience and because I felt he was treated as just another guinea pig at the hospital. I wanted him to stand out and get the attention he deserved. So we came up with the Incredible Hulk theme. I made him a couple of collars, an Etsy shop made him some buttons that I turned into conchos for the collars and MeadowCat made him a special Superhero fit for an Incredible Huck coat! I also made multiple little key fobs for the techs and doctors at the hospital. I want them to feel their key fob and at least think of Huck. Maybe even check on him, give him extra pets, keep him clean, dry and warm while he’s getting chemo. Today he had repeat chest X-ray to confirm lungs are still clear and his first chemo. He rocked it like an Avenger! He’s my Huckleberry but everyone else’s Incredible Hulk that’s going to Smash Cancer!

I’ll add as many photos as I can.









this one kinda looks like his leg disappeared and left his boot!



Thank you everyone and please if I don’t update others that see my Facebook updates are more than welcomed to post the update here.


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01-04-2019 12:29 PM
LadyDi Thanks Meadowcat ......that's great news. Whew!
01-04-2019 10:57 AM
MeadowCat I don't think she'll mind if I post that he's doing pretty well and starts chemo in a few days. She's posted a couple of updates on FB.
01-04-2019 10:49 AM
LadyDi OMG I was so afraid to open this post...........I am getting so worried regarding Huck ........think of him every day .
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