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12-08-2017 02:53 PM
Hera Okay, I will remove her posts ASAP and re-post her during my lunch. I also assumed the post wasn't placed far enough into the base of the ear to be popping out. I did, however, not tape the base of that ear correctly--I saw it coming. Thanks everyone!
12-08-2017 02:33 PM
dobebug
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Originally Posted by Hera View Post
Today, the post on the lower part of the right ear is continuing to pop out. I taped it up a little better because there was some tape lacking in that lower base of the ear. I'm waiting for the Torbot glue to arrive next week so the post are more secure when I have to put them in myself. I saw the vet use that adhesive and there seemed to be no reaction with the inside of the ear. So I ordered that instead of OstoBond.
Torbot and OsteoBond are virtually identical latex based skin adhesives--you can use them interchangeably.

See Melbrod's post below--if the bottom of the post pops out of the ear you really should just take it down and repost it from the start. The reason it did that is that it wasn't quite posted correctly in the first place.

The most common reason for puppies to pop posts out is that either the post wasn't far enough down in the ear in the first place or that it wasn't taped far enough down on the bottom of the postings.

The problem with pushing it in and trying to just add tape is that it will keep trying to pop out and when it does it pushes the ear sort of over the top of the head--creates pockets that way.
12-08-2017 11:38 AM
Hera I'll replace the post when I get back from work/school. If it's popped out when I go to lunch, I'll try to redo both posts in a jiffy then. I just need them to last tonight and tomorrow for when we get them re-posted. She gets super frustrated when the posts pops out from the bottom. I just see her shaking her head like a maniac out of nowhere and scratching at the tape too. Once I pop the bottom back in (this has happened 3x btw), she chills out and lays down to play with her toys.
12-08-2017 11:01 AM
melbrod It seems to me that a lot of the time when a post is popping out, it is easier to just replace the entire job than to try to “fix” the original posting. If I got it wrong when I did that posting, it stays wrong So I start over and usually get it better on my second effort.

One way or another, as you seem to know I guess (looking at your text), if a post pops out of the ear, it has to be re-taped or replaced right away to correct the problem.

I’m hazarding a guess here--but I would think in an emergency, if you’re out and about for just an hour or two when a post pops out that you can’t put back, it would be better to take the post down and leave the ear un-posted until you can get home, than to keep it posted with the base popped out--a matter of just the weight of the un-posted ear pulling it down vs the ear plus the post bending the ear crooked. I do usually travel with some posting supplies in my car if I am taking a dog out playing or hiking for a few hours, just so I can repair things if the dog’s posts get wet or go wonky.
12-08-2017 10:29 AM
Hera Today, the post on the lower part of the right ear is continuing to pop out. I taped it up a little better because there was some tape lacking in that lower base of the ear. I'm waiting for the Torbot glue to arrive next week so the post are more secure when I have to put them in myself. I saw the vet use that adhesive and there seemed to be no reaction with the inside of the ear. So I ordered that instead of OstoBond.
12-07-2017 05:18 PM
4x4bike ped Hera. There is a member here with a boy who has a very short military style crop. His name is "Chase". He is one of my favorite dogs to look at. I've often referred to him as the biggest badass dog on DT.

If the link pulls up, here is a thread with a bunch of photos with Chase and his little "sister" Harley.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...ml#post3889946

John

Uh.. I'm pretty sure that you can figure out which one is Chase. LOL
12-07-2017 04:59 PM
Hera John, I'm very sorry for your loss. I looked through your gallery, but I didn't see a dobie with short ears. Maybe not all your photos are loading on my end. I guess Hera will stand out as the odd ball with her short ears, but she'll be our odd ball. lol
12-07-2017 04:24 PM
4x4bike ped Hi Hera, I really don't have a pic of our boy's short ears. There is one on my Gallery here on DT, but it is kind of difficult to see. It's the last pic. He's the little guy with the short ears. The other was are big boy with huge ears who passed a while back. McCoy, our 3 yo has a very typical show crop.

John
12-07-2017 03:19 PM
Hera This is the crop length/shape that I would have preferred...too late to cry over it now, though.
12-07-2017 02:57 PM
Hera John, do you have an Instagram where I can see his ears? Not many dogs have this short crop. I'm worried she will look funny since the bell is somewhat more wide than I wanted it--however, I also don't really care anymore. I just want her to be healthy!

The only thing I noticed is that one ear seems to be more centered than the other--as in one ear is facing out and the other is facing slightly back and not so centered. Is this detrimental?

Thanks for the sweater compliments! We purchased it at Marshall's. I think she needs something thicker though. She scratches at herself excessively. She's been given Simple Guard 3 twice (the last dose given was 12/01/2017), so it can't be fleas or ticks. She also bites her butt, her privates, and her hind legs a lot. Anxiety?
12-07-2017 01:56 PM
4x4bike ped What a sweetie! Wow! Her ears look so much better.

Seeing those pics, I would be seriously tempted to leave them down after your next go around with posting. The caveat is, that if you see any sign of failure, you repost as soon as is reasonably possible.

Our oldest boy has short ears. He was extremely ill as a puppy and his body was trying so hard to live that his ears were an issue. We cut a good inch off of them and never posted again. Having been so sick early on, he really never grew. He is a 68 lb, very "fine boy".
He is beautiful and his ears suit him very well.

John
Portland OR
12-07-2017 01:53 PM
MeadowCat I love her little sweater Looks like she's doing well and the ears are coming along. So much better!
12-07-2017 01:33 PM
Hera
Crop Pictures

I just realized I haven't uploaded any photos of her in forever! Let me attach a few. These were taken yesterday (12/06/2017). She was posted on Saturday (12/02/2017). We are going back to post her again on Saturday, in Katy. I can't go this week due to work so I was forced to post her myself. The first picture where she's snoozing is of the vet's posts. The other is mine.

Snoozin' by Rolando Alvarado, on Flickr

Hera's Posts Round 1 (2) by Rolando Alvarado, on Flickr

Hera's Posts Round 1 (3) by Rolando Alvarado, on Flickr

Hera's Posts Round 1 (4) by Rolando Alvarado, on Flickr
12-07-2017 12:26 PM
4x4bike ped
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Originally Posted by Hera View Post
Since she has a short, military crop, should I post through teething? Or can I stop after a month or 2?
This is just my opinion based on the dogs in the early '70sand '80s that I posted with shorter crops. None were quite as shorts your cute girls, but they were definitely done and standing well before teething was over. Around five months, if I am remembering correctly. My regular vet was one of the very good ear croppers in the NW (He passed in '82). He would have me take the ears down and inspect them. Actually, he would inspect them. If he thought the looked about right, he would have me leave them down and repost immediately if the ears showed a sign of weakness.

This is nothing that I would normally suggest today with the very long crops and the reduced bell. But your girl's crop is way different. Almost like a Cane Corso crop.

From the pictures that you have provided, I would suspect very little posting will be necessary.

What I would do is to come back here with and update wth some pics and get some further advice.

Again, just so there is no confusion. My comment is directed solely at you and your pretty girl's very specific crop, based on my previous experience with shorter crops.

Keep updating!

John
Portland OR

Edit to say: I just saw MC's comment. Everything she said^^^^^
12-07-2017 12:13 PM
MeadowCat
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Originally Posted by Hera View Post
Since she has a short, military crop, should I post through teething? Or can I stop after a month or 2?
You post until they are done I don't mean to be flippant, but yes, hers will probably stand sooner, but it really depends on each dog's ears. You basically wait until it seems as if they are standing well. Then, I generally post another couple of weeks. Then, you give them a little test and leave them down. I like to take a photo, so I can see what they look like. Give it a few days, see if you think there's any "drooping." Take another photo and compare - sometimes you see something in a photo that you don't see in person. That's just me. Shorter ears do tend to stand quicker, but you might still get drooping during teething. You'll just have to take it as you see it with her ears.
12-07-2017 12:01 PM
Hera Since she has a short, military crop, should I post through teething? Or can I stop after a month or 2?
12-07-2017 11:43 AM
Fitzmar Dobermans a little bit of blackish gunk on the bottom of the post is normal - so don't freak out at that. If they get wet, definitely change them. Once her base is standing, there are ways to post that do not go into the ear base.
12-07-2017 11:34 AM
MeadowCat
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Originally Posted by Hera View Post
So, I took off Hera's old posts since it's been drizzling a ton in Houston, and it turns out the bottom of the posts were slightly wet and had some gunk build up. I went with the backer-rod method and put in new posts last night. I also used paper tape to keep her I try to place an umbrella over her when we go out, but apparently they're still getting a bit wet. Should I just change her posts everyday? Every 2 days? They have never gotten completely wet!
Any time a post gets wet you need to change it. If she goes out in the rain, you will want to cover her head to keep posts dry. I like to use something like a Target or Wal-mart bag - I simply put the bag over their head (and posts) and tie the handles under the chin They get used to it!
12-07-2017 11:31 AM
Hera
New Posts

So, I took off Hera's old posts since it's been drizzling a ton in Houston, and it turns out the bottom of the posts were slightly wet and had some gunk build up. I went with the backer-rod method and put in new posts last night. I also used paper tape to keep her I try to place an umbrella over her when we go out, but apparently they're still getting a bit wet. Should I just change her posts everyday? Every 2 days? They have never gotten completely wet!
12-04-2017 01:27 PM
melbrod Posts definitely up ALL of the time....take them down for a 15 minutes or so to let them dry out, and then put them back up in posts again.

You may not be able to stretch the time between changing the posts for 5 days...I generally change posts every 3 or 4 days. You should definitely change them right away if her ears/posts get wet, if they smell bad or seem irritated, if the posts fall out of her ears at the bottom, or if she is shaking her head a lot more than usual.

As time goes on, I think you should probably learn to post them yourself. That way you can catch those little emergencies right away instead of having to wait to see the vet (and driving long distances to get there) and you can also do fine tuning to her post job as needed rather than waiting until the next appt. Itís not that hard to do, once you get over the all thumbs fumble fingers part of it. And if you give her a little ear massage when they are down, and a bit of extra loving, it will turn into a good bonding experience between the two of you.

Just have all of your supplies prepared, precut and within easy reach before you start and youíll get faster at it--soon, youíll be able to post in your sleep.
12-04-2017 12:56 PM
Hera Alrighty, we'll take away for Kong Bowl. We already purchased the non-tip bowl so she doesn't throw her food over. As of Friday, she only has 15-20min to eat. I don't want her to eat too fast since she tends to regurgitate her food when she does. Then she eats it back up--not cute at all. The vet saw her on Friday for her second set of vaccines and dewormers. Vet said she was a good weight, and she also recommended the 15min-only meal time. I think adding cottage cheese would be a nice touch, so I'll buy some later this week to add to her breakfast. I've been trying to use her kibble as training snacks as well!

Her ears have been posted since Friday and they seem to be holding up well. The the Grand Park vet tried to post without using the Torbot glue, but the second she got put down to the ground, the post flew out of her ear (thank goodness it happened there). They used the paper towel method--roll up some paper towels and wrap the roll in medical tape. I think I might be able to do the backer-rod method on my own from YouTube videos and sites like Prima Doberman's website. But I'll most likely use that method as an emergency posting for days that I can't drive over an hour to Katy to have her posts be put up. Also, should her posts be on all the time or can I do it in intervals--as in 5 days with posts and 2 days without them (so they can breath)?
12-01-2017 02:10 PM
dobebug I'd stop the feeding out of the Kong bowl--she is now playing with her food and that's not a good habit for a dog to get into. It deprives you of the advantage of scheduled feeding.

If she's being fed at specific times and specific amounts you know when she's eating and if she's eating enough. My dogs, even the puppies will clean up a meal in 2 to 5 minutes and if it takes longer than that--I start keeping a close watch to make sure they don't have something going wrong--if slow eating or not eating continues for more than a couple of meals the go to the vet to be checked out.

About feeding things with the kibble. I always feed "stuff" to puppies mixed into their food, from the beginning. I want them to be excited about every meal and to eat it all and do it quickly. This is normal canid behavior--it's how they are actually designed to eat--clean up the food quickly (so no one else gets it) eat a big meal and go sleep it off. Get up later, go pee and poop and play--it's one of the big reasons that scheduled feedings help with potty training.

Back to the food business. Yogurt or cottage cheese should not cause diarrhea. Both are partially altered milk products and are easy to digest. Beside--you are only giving a small amount. It definitely adds flavor to the food but beyond that it is also an excellent source of calcium and phosphorus in a balanced form which can safely be given to puppies. I start puppies out with a spoonful--teaspoon for the first several days and at four months my puppies are generally getting a tablespoon with breakfast. Both yogurt and cottage cheese are also good for skin and coat. And I always add water--it simply makes the food more attractive.

I buy both yogurt and cottage cheese in the full fat kind rather than no fat or low fat. Dogs utilize fat differently (to some degree) than people do. I know that some people are horrified because the dogs who share yogurt and cottage cheese with me sometimes get plain yogurt and sometimes they get vanilla, strawberry or peach yogurt (all of which have sugar added)--I suppose if I were a purist I wouldn't give them anything except plain but since we are talking about a fairly small quantity of sugar I don't worry about it and the dogs have never complained.

At four months I have had several puppies who were already leaving part of their lunch and that's when I switch to two meals a day. So she's probably old enough that she will be OK on just two meals.

I also add something to dinner--I feed eggs in addition to kibble--they are a great source of protein in an easily digested form. I hard boil them in batches--when I was feeding more than one dog I would hard boil a dozen at a time (they had to share them with me because I like egg salad sandwiches. For puppies I start them out on 1/2 an egg at dinner and once I'm sure that they are doing well with that amount I switch them to an egg a day. Egg yokes also contain biotin--a very good additive for skin and coat health.

If I run into a bargain on hamburger or ground turkey I will also buy some and cook it up into Sloppy Joe consistency by just adding a little water and simmering it. I will give a spoonful of that with their dinner as well. I don't give canned food generally--having noticed that several of my puppies would get immediate diarrhea with even small quantities of canned food. My adult dogs could deal with canned but the puppies not so much.

Bottom line is that you probably will have to teach her to eat instead of playing with the food. I thought you were originally feeding her in her crate--and I start doing that again--and even though she's a puppy and needs the food I would not leave the food down for her longer than 15 minutes--I'd take it away then and give her nothing until her next scheduled meal. You could probably facilitate this return to scheduled feeding by giving her smaller portions for a couple of days until she is cleaning all of the food given promptly. Putting some attractive additive (which also provide additional nutrition) will help with that too.

While this is going on I'd cut down on the treats too--give her a few pieces of her own kibble rather than "treat" when rewarding her.

Her weight looked pretty good in the picture and I suspect that like most puppies--if she's not getting a bunch of treats and she doesn't get to just "snack" on her food you'll be able to figure out pretty quickly how much she actually needs to eat--the bag quantities are just averages and for some puppies are way too much while for other they aren't nearly enough.

Good luck
12-01-2017 11:28 AM
Hera 12 weeks--She is crated while we are gone. She has never soiled her crate since we started putting her in there at 8 weeks. Some nights, she goes in on her own to knock out. She spends the whole night in there. She gets lots of treats when she goes in too. I try to designate her favorite toy for her crate but she sometimes takes it out during her play time. We don't know anyone that could take her out for us. And now that she needs someone to monitor her while she eats for about 20-25min, I doubt we could find someone to help us for that long for her lunch time.
12-01-2017 10:27 AM
MeadowCat You definitely need to get her back to a structured meal schedule. How long is she being left alone? If she's 11 weeks old, she can probably only "hold it" for about 4-5 hours at the most. Is she crated while you are gone? How is the potty training working? Maybe you can have a friend take her out for a break while you are gone?
12-01-2017 10:17 AM
Hera That is true. We don't know her poop schedule anymore. Back then, we knew when she did and didn't have to go. Now that we leave her meals out sometimes for "grazing" she poops at odd ball hours. We'll take her out to pee and get all surprised when she poops, too. We live at the University. We have quick breaks from class (mainly Tuesdays and Thursdays) that we haul butt back to the campus' apartments, take her to use the restroom and then go back class. Mondays and Wednesdays are better because her mom stays with her until 11am and then I'll go around 2pm or 3pm to take her out. It's the best we can do, right now. She does not eat out of the toy quickly. She hits it, makes the pieces fly everywhere and if they fall a good distance from each other, she will eat them But if the food that she hits out of her toy bowl lands on the floor too close to one another, she WILL NOT eat it. She rather hit the bowl again to make the kibble pieces fly further distances and she will ignore the group of kibble on the floor that is "too close" to one another. This girl is crazy!
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