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|07-05-2018 07:05 AM|
|EyeviMar||CBD can be derived from the cannabis plant that's why it is safe for our pet. There is no substance that can harm them from using it upon reading this https://www.greenmed.io/blog/5-ways-...help-your-pet/ It is a major phytocannabinoid, accounting for up to 40% of the plant's extract. And as a pet owner, I already tried it on my snowie. When he has a Lyme disease it is dangerous for my cat it is a tick-borne illness that is transmitted through deer ticks. And I used CBD as a medicine for him and it works.that's why its safe|
|06-11-2017 05:14 PM|
|mhebner||We give our Baron, Canna-Pet maple bacon flavor CBD chews that we order through cbdoilreview.org. It helps relieve his anxiety, his fearfulness (he was rescued from an abusive situation) and we're hoping it will help with any health issues that might crop up as he ages|
|04-28-2017 07:38 PM|
"Time to paint another grammarian silhouette on the side of the desktop."
|04-28-2017 05:58 PM|
Re: Mabel in general and as far as using other alternatives than prescriptions.... while I wholeheartedly agree with Tricia, I'd also like to add that every dog is different and it's a know your dog thing. |
If Mabel was still highly reactive I'd be looking back at pharmaceuticals as a first choice, however since at this point in her life I would classify her issues as more anxiety than anything, that's why I'm looking into other options. I'm completely open to prescriptions if that is what she requires, but since she is in a generally stable environment, I don't see the harm in trying short trials of simpler options to help her. Ex: If I'm prone to panic attacks, I would try therapy and yoga or similar before jumping right to Perkaset (or whatever is generally prescribed).
**Not looking to argue, just trying to point out my personal reasonings for trying other options first.
IF YOUR DOG IS HAVING MAJOR ISSUES, please consult a vet and/or behaviorist first and I would highly recommend the pharmaceutical options in that scenario.
|04-28-2017 05:49 PM|
Re: the Gabapentin....not saying it works for every dog, it did at first for Mabel (at first) |
|04-28-2017 05:29 PM|
Originally Posted by melbrod View Post
And, when I get around to thinking about dating I'm not going near some guy who slaughters or even merely mangles the language. But I digress...
Actually, getting back on topic, both Bella and Boon were mentally restless on gabapentin tried for pain of snake and raccoon bites. It makes me hallucinate so I'd not think of using for a calming effect.
|04-28-2017 03:34 PM|
|04-28-2017 03:32 PM|
Originally Posted by apollothedog View Post
I'll go do some looking! Thanks!
|04-28-2017 03:23 PM|
I didnít even notice any mistakes; I was wrapped up in your narrative. |
It was mentioned way back about Gabapentin (sorry, Iím just catching up). I canít find the reference now so I canít see who mentioned it and in what context, but I can say that Kip is on Gabapentin for back pain. He is a somewhat anxious dog (Iíd call it generalized anxiety) and I havenít seen any difference in his behavior while heís been on that drug.
And a request to Windamyr without meaning to preach: Please donít flush meds down the toilet to get rid of them. They are not removed when the water is treated; it is amazing how many different drugs can be in the water you drink. Antibiotics, oral contraceptives, mood stabilizers...admittedly in trace amounts, but it is still scary.
|04-28-2017 01:38 PM|
|triciakoontz||Good grief! Siri sucks at dictation for someone with a southern accent! Please excuse the stupid mistakes made by the retired English teacher in my post above. Waited too long to edit and fix them.|
|04-28-2017 01:00 PM|
|04-28-2017 12:51 PM|
Meadowcat stated: In my opinion, medication should be considered as a first-line treatment option for the vast majority of dogs with true behavior problems – including aggression, compulsive behavior issues, and any type of pathological anxiety. When we try to reserve the use of drugs as a last resort, something that we only try if the case is “really bad”, or if nothing else has helped, I believe that we do these dogs a tremendous disservice. |
I absolutely agree with this. Several years, while shopping at I nearly deserted Walmart store at 11:30 PM, I was attacked and physically harmed resulting in very painful injuries. This trigger a recurrence of severe PTSD which I had previously suffered after being held at gunpoint by one of my high school students - I, rightfully so, fear for my life for two hours. The student shot and seriously wounded a relative after he finally left my classroom. For months after the Walmart exit that I suffered extreme anxiety and hundreds of adrenaline dumps that left me shaking and hypersensitive to the world. Every time I see an untreated reactive dog, I think I can relate to what they are experiencing physiologically and I want to tell you that, without the help of proper medication, it is extremely distressful for them.
I cringe when I hear people saying that they don't want to dope up their dog or mask the symptoms or put a Band-Aid on things. This is simply not understanding good medicine! The first line of defense when the body is reacting uncontrollably to non-life-threatening events by releasing large amounts of fear/fight hormones, is to break the cycle and usually medication is the only way to do this.
Imagine if a car is bearing down on you at 60 miles an hour and you are tied to a post in the middle of the road right in its path. Now imagine that I'm standing over on the sidewalk speaking to you in a cutesy little voice , "Oh, Fifi, look at that," and trying to feed you kibble as a reward for glancing at the car that's about to kill you. That's pretty much a straight up analogy for the way that things go down for lots of dogs with reactivity issues. Yes, of course there is not a car bearing down on them, but the reality of that does not matter. What matters is the way that their body is reacting to what is happening in the environment around them.
Perceived fear is the same as something real in terms of the physiological cascade of things that happened inside the body!!!! I can't emphasize this enough. When the physical body is reacting in a large scale fight/flight manner, there is no processing of anything because the ancient brain, the amygdala, has taken over and is running the show, dumping out lots of adrenaline and other hormones to be prepared to deal with an extreme situation. This is a miserable miserable miserable way to live and I see many dogs living this way without any help from medication because of their owners' uninformed stance against it.
What medication does is help the body stop reacting! If you read that again you will get it – the body has to stop reacting first! Then the behavioral training has a chance to get through. I tried to plow through the PTSD and I'm a very strong individual but things deteriorated to the point where I was literally debilitated by "reactivity". It reached it's peak one day when turned my head in a parking lot, saw a man approaching my car that only vaguely resembled the person who had attacked me, and experienced such a massive adrenaline dump that I was left with uncontrollable muscle spasms and unable to function whatsoever. When all that initial reaction passed, I was left with such extreme exhaustion I could barely hold a cell phone and had to call friends to come and get me. This was just from glancing out my window and seeing a person 8 yards away from me.
Reactive dogs must surely experience such physiological chaos on a sliding scale over and over and over and over again. I agree strongly with MeadowCat – I believe that many, if not most, of these dogs suffer a lot from the physiological aspects of reactivity; it is horrible. It also makes them hyper sensitive to touch, sound, and other seemingly "normal" stimuli; The same thing happens to so-called normal people and dogs after an incident of flight/fight hormones dumping into the body. There's some good research on this with the statistically large number of high-level athletes who commit violent crimes in the hours following competitions. The large and repetitive fight/flight hormone dumps that athletes experience during the competitions are thought to be linked to abnormal/aberrant behavior in the hours following those competitions.
What prescribed medication does is attempt to help stop the body's reactions stemming from the ancient fight/flight response. This most often needs to happen before any training or behavior modification is going to be able to be effective with the "reasoning brain". I had to be on medication and able to function physiologically before any intellectual training for PTSD recovery could work. Reading books, going to therapy, trying to work the exercises – it was not even 1% achievable until medication allowed me to be able to do those intellectual tasks.
Furthermore, repeated adrenaline dumps leave the immune system in a very fragile state. Please think about consulting with a veterinarian if you have a reactive dog. It's not hocus-pocus, it's good medicine to consider it as an option in the treatment plan for your dog. Reactivity is not just an emotional event or exercise, it's a miserable physical state as well.
"The amygdala and related fear perception neural networks create a state of vigilance that last well beyond the actual traumatic events. Over a long period of time the threat, in addition to coming from the external sources, may also begin to come from within the body, showing up as chronic pain and illness. People with chronic musculoskeletal pain, fibromyalgia, migraine, asthma, and cardiovascular disease, for example, are more likely to have a history of psychosocial or tissue trauma than people without these disorders. They are, in a real sense, living in a body that threatens them.
If this underlying body state deterioration is not treated, it can lead to post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), a condition that is characterized in the DSM-IV as having persistently high arousal, flashbacks of parts of the trauma event, memory loss for other parts of that event, lack of ability to concentrate, and impairment of social functioning. Note, however, that these diagnostic criteria are primarily psychological. There are significant potential effects on the body such as chronic pain, muscle tension, movement limitations, outbursts of energy followed by listlessness, not to mention consequent illnesses of the cellular pathways in the neuromuscular, digestive, cardiovascular, hormonal, and immune systems."
|04-28-2017 10:22 AM|
Lol! I watched a documentary once on medical marijuana and one young man, I don't recall what condition he has but it's very painful all of the time. After trying everything, it was marijuana that helped him the most. He said "yeah it still hurts, but I just don't care anymore!" |
I am wary of even taking "safe" things like Tylenol and aleve, all I hear on tv is ads for this and that with a HORRENDOUS list of side effects. Then on the same channel where there's a commercial promoting one drug, in a couple minutes there will be an ad for a lawyer for the same product conducting a class action lawsuit!
|04-27-2017 06:27 PM|
Originally Posted by windamyr1 View Post
|04-27-2017 05:52 PM|
Originally Posted by atomic View Post
|04-27-2017 05:50 PM|
Originally Posted by apollothedog View Post
|04-27-2017 05:28 PM|
Be sure to give the rest of that bottle back to a pharmaceutical collection drive (my city does it at the main city complex with the library / sheriffs office / town hall). It's when you're not in physical pain and take it that addiction starts. |
As someone that also broke a femur pretty bad, gets lots of vitamin d / k2 / calcium and magnesium. Otherwise it takes forever to heal and the callous is all bumpy instead of smooth.
Glad the CBD is helping!
|04-27-2017 03:07 PM|
|atomic||This is wonderful news all around. The opioid painkillers are such a scam for the pharmaceuticals, get people hooked and ruin their lives. I'm very glad to hear that you, your son, and your pup has benefitted from cannabis oil.|
|04-27-2017 12:29 PM|
|windamyr1||OK, we've got thunderstorms coming in, Simon was already trembling even though I couldn't hear the thunder, so I gave him 1/4 ml of Charlottes Web oil(500mg strength) it took about 30 minutes, but his trembling stopped. Now the big test will be when the boomers really start! I gave him a low dose to leave room for adding more later if needed. I'll let you know how he gets through today's storm, it will be a tremendous plus if I find something that works to relieve his anxiety, without doping him to the gills!|
|04-20-2017 10:08 AM|
My youngest son recently suffered a compound fracture of the femur, after surgery to put Humpty together again, there was still a piece of bone they couldn't find, so there is a small gap that has to fill in. After doing a LOT of research on the benefits of CBD in helping heal bone fracture, we ordered some. He had been prescribed oxycodone for pain, he didn't even finish half the prescription after starting on the CBD(a good thing IMHO<G>) xrays will tell the tale of how it's healing, but we're 5 weeks out from those at this time. That being said, I won't give my kid something I won't use, so I tried it, I am sold. I didn't even realize apparently, how much anxiety? stress? whatever, I was experiencing. But a very low dose of the oil(Charlottes Web Plus, think it's 500mg CBD per bottle, or 16.6mg CBD per ml)) has made a tremendous difference in my emotional state.I mean a BIG difference! I have a dog (non Dobe) who is extremely thunder phobic, and yup, I'm going to try it on him next time we have a storm coming. |
There is such a minute amount of THC in the oil that there are no psychoactive effects. None. It will not impair the ability to pass a drug screen for work or other purposes as long as you don't go overboard with dosage. My son is taking 1ml a day, sometimes as much as 2 depending on his discomfort level, I use a half ml daily. Pricey? Yes it is, but worth every penny in my opinion. So? That's been my experience, if I use it on Simon, I'll share the results!
I bought mine originally from the Hemp Farmacy in North Carolina, the girls there are extremely knowledgeable on all the products they sell, and can advise you on the best choice for you and your situation. As for sellers, I use the Charlottes Web, but there is a company in SC that gets high marks, Palmetto Harmony, and there are sites that rate the quality and purity of the oils. I just feel very comfortable with the CW product line, they grow it, produce the oil, in an inspected lab, and market it. https://www.theroc.us/ here is a site that is related to CW, but has some good info on it
|04-16-2017 11:10 AM|
|Sam1491|| UPDATE |
After a series of episodes and bad days with more anxiety over the last 2 weeks I've ordered 2 bags of Composure today to trial (2 months worth at baseline dosing) and we'll see how that goes, if not well or no affect my plan is a full blood panel and talking with her vet(s) about the cannabis oil, if we go that route I'll update again with my experiences
|03-29-2017 11:14 AM|
Originally Posted by MeadowCat View Post
|03-29-2017 10:02 AM|
|Sam1491||Very helpful! Thank you both so much. I'll be looking into the pharmacies recommended and doing some more research, but it is definitely looking like a worthwhile option to try|
|03-29-2017 07:14 AM|
Vet here, and I use it. Legal loopholes allow CBD to be sold in all 50 states. It is not technically 0% THC (I don't think any company can remove all) but its minuscule amounts that the government overlooks. |
That being said, I have absolutely seen great relief in some pets -appetite stimulant (I have two renal failure cats taking some, used it with a severe IBD dog), pain management, anxiety.
Problem becomes there is little oversight so the question always becomes, are you getting what you paid for. As the previous person said, I Do not use the animal versions, I use the human versions and typically the liquid. That being said, RXVitamins is a company that does make a Hemp RX product that I have used as well, specifically for cats.
|03-24-2017 11:38 AM|
I'm using it right now
So I use hemp CBD (key part) for myself, my Doberman was just diagnosed with bone cancer and though there's no broken bones he's in a lot of pain. The pain meds he's on (gabapentin) isn't doing enough, he wasn't sleeping, he was obviously really uncomfortable all the time, he was crying...
I went to the company I order from (Highland Pharms) and ordered him a bottle of oil. Background: after MUCH research for myself I found Highland Pharms to have the most information, highest concentration of CBD, reliable reviews and medical testing to back up all of their claims about their product.
Long story short, I started him on CBD oil along with his other maintenance meds and he's sleeping, not crying and even being his normal Velcro (annoying) self again.
CBD hemp oil is legal in all 50 states because it has NO THC. You can order online, ask questions through their online form and get answers within 24 hours or sooner, and trust the product as you can see the ingredients and percentages of said ingredients in their posted (reputable) tests.
If your dog doesn't have a terminal illness the dosage would be less and they even link to an article about how to figure out the correct dosage. It's trial and error but only takes a few days.
I swear by it for myself...and now for my dogs. The stuff WORKS and has virtually no side effects (assuming you buy from a reputable company and know what's in it and the potency). It's not cheap (like the crap on Amazon etc.) but at least you KNOW what you're giving your dog. I paid $150 (free shipping) for a 25ml bottle of 1,250mg of cannibidiol. Ps. buy the human stuff, not the pet one as it's way more cost effective by weight and potency. The one I got is called MAX Plus Hemp Drops and it says the dosage is 10 drops a day, with the bottle containing 50 dosages at that rate. 10 drops is not always necessary and even if it is (in my case with a 95lb terminal dobie) that's almost 2 months worth so fairly cost effective.
Do your research of course but hemp oils, creams etc. have been proven (including an article by the Mayo Clinic as well as the CDC which I read both) to treat pain, anxiety and even shrink tumors on occasion in both humans and dogs and have very little side effects besides mild sedation. It's safer (when ordered from the right company) than pharmaceuticals. Period. Don't let the fact that it's taboo deter you.
Make up your own mind.
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