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05-20-2016 02:13 PM
LindaH
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Originally Posted by eighmie View Post
Thank you, Linda. I guess the good news is, so far, this has been much worse on us humans than it has been for Indy. Now, regarding the bone broth, do you have advice on what kind of bones to get? I'm a vegan and have zero experience there. Roxy's holistic vet also mentioned bone broth being good for her and her Wobblers, and I didn't even think to ask about what kind of bones or how on earth I'm supposed to make the
I lost my first post, so this one will be shorter.

Read the article I linked. It tells you how to make it and all the benefits it provides. Organic bones from free range animals would be the very best, but you still get good results from regular supermarket bones.

I use pork neckbones, four to five pounds as that fills my slow cooker, because there's a lot of cartilage in them, plus there's much more meat than they look. I want the most glucosamine (from the cartilage) for Parker as I can get. I don't debone only because I use them for filler as I'm trying to take a few pounds off Parker. They offer no nutritional benefit as all the good has been leached out of them by the acv. You could also use chicken backs, chicken or turkey frames and throw in some chicken feet if you can get them, knuckle bones, most any bones.

I don't know how much to tell you to give, but I give Parker one coffee cup full, which includes meat, with his morning and evening meal. My friend gives her Boston terrier mix a bone broth cube, from ice tray, per meal.

I have still not had to do one thing for Parker for his allergies this year beyond the sardines and bone broth. This is a dog who had to have foot baths and rinses for interdigital cysts, nor have I had to use the vinegar water spray for yeast and staph breakouts or prevention and those sprays were whole body every couple of days, plus daily wipedowns when he came in from outside.

Based on what's going on with Parker, I believe a lot of his problem was leaky gut.
05-20-2016 02:04 PM
LindaH
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Originally Posted by eighmie View Post
Thank you, Linda. I guess the good news is, so far, this has been much worse on us humans than it has been for Indy. Now, regarding the bone broth, do you have advice on what kind of bones to get? I'm a vegan and have zero experience there. Roxy's holistic vet also mentioned bone broth being good for her and her Wobblers, and I didn't even think to ask about what kind of bones or how on earth I'm supposed to make the
I lost my first post, so this one will be shorter.

Read the article I linked. It tells you how to make it and all the benefits it provides. Organic bones from free range animals would be the very best, but you still get good results from regular supermarket bones.

I use pork neckbones because there's a lot of cartilage in them, plus there's much more meat than they look. I want the most glucosamine (from the cartilage) for Parker as I can get. I don't debone only because I use them for filler as I'm trying to take a few pounds off Parker. They offer no nutritional benefit as all the good has been leached out of them by the acv. You could also use chicken backs, chicken or turkey frames and throw in some chicken feet if you can get them, knuckle bones, most any bones.

I have still not had to do one thing for Parker for his allergies this year beyond the sardines and bone broth. This is a dog who had to have foot baths and rinses for interdigital cysts, nor have I had to use the vinegar water spray for yeast and staph breakouts or prevention.
05-18-2016 07:03 PM
eegreen I'm so sorry.
05-18-2016 01:58 PM
MeadowCat Continuing to keep you guys in my thoughts.
05-18-2016 12:42 PM
StrykersPerson Hang in there!

Do what is right for her.

I am at a loss for words...

I am feeling your pain.
05-18-2016 12:11 PM
eighmie
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Originally Posted by LindaH View Post
My heart hurts for you eighmie...

I'm so sorry.

If you decide to treat her, try giving bone broth right along. I have a friend giving her dog chemo and she's giving him bone broth and his bloodwork has been good so he hadn't had to skip any treatments. Her vet was pleased she was giving bone broth. Of courser, check with her oncologist first jic.

I've been giving it to Parker and it is helping his allergies.

Bone Broth For Dogs? Here's Why It's A Great Idea!
Thank you, Linda. I guess the good news is, so far, this has been much worse on us humans than it has been for Indy. Now, regarding the bone broth, do you have advice on what kind of bones to get? I'm a vegan and have zero experience there. Roxy's holistic vet also mentioned bone broth being good for her and her Wobblers, and I didn't even think to ask about what kind of bones or how on earth I'm supposed to make the stuff.

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Originally Posted by StrykersPerson View Post
eighmie,

I am so sorry to hear of this. Ktrin was diagnosed with the same. My Vet also sent me to a specialist who confirmed his diagnosis. I really don't want to bring you down anymore than you already are, but be prepared for the sorrow to come.

I was told by the specialist that chemo would only prolong her life, not necessarily give her quality of life. I chose Prednisone (I am sure I spelled that wrong) to ease her time with me, while I collected myself to say Goodbye.

I went to my vet with the final diagnosis from the specialist with my heart broken and he said check off the bad days and good days on a calendar, and when the bad days outnumber the good days, make your decision. I was selfish and waited too long. She crashed the night before her appointment to be euthanized and we had to make a run for the ER Vet (the specialist) in the middle of the night. I hate myself for waiting too long.

I decided to put Axel down before I came home to find him unable to get up outside during winter.

I am so sad for you. I pray everyone is wrong and she will be okay.

Denise

Thank you, Denise. I know this stuff is so hard to talk about, so I really appreciate everyone who has shared their experiences with me.

We do have a calendar for Indy. I made a binder to keep track of everything. I know it won't stay this way forever, but she is doing so well. That said, her first night of treatment was awful. Her breathing was very bad, she couldn't stay awake, then she'd startle herself with her breathing. It was bad. We stayed on the floor with her until she seemed more comfortable and had more control of her breathing. The next morning, she was bouncing around like you wouldn't believe. She had treatment the next week, and that one was just a pill, and she did great. She's on a lot of pred still, so she's had a few accidents in the house, but not what you'd expect of an old gal on so much pred. Her next treatment is tomorrow and it's the same as week 1. While I'm hoping it won't be the same, we are prepared for a tough night.
05-16-2016 12:17 PM
millerdobes Prayers sent. I heard the other day they are talking about a vaccine.
05-06-2016 10:40 AM
engstrom Yes, we're keeping you and Indy in our thoughts and hoping for the best quality of life for as long as possible.
05-06-2016 10:35 AM
melbrod I’m so sorry this is happening for you folks. I really have no words for this... but we’ll be thinking of you guys.
05-06-2016 10:28 AM
eighmie Thank you all, so much. I will write more personal responses later. I've been meaning to respond all week, but I've also spent most of the week in denial. Well, not denial, maybe just numb is a better word.

Indy has had a really good week, but last night her back legs were really stiff when she would walk and they are still like that today. Her first chemo appointment is at 1:30 today. I have a ton of questions written down and hopefully we get some good info. One major concern is how toxic her urine and feces will be when going through treatment. Now, Roxy and Dexter do not ever eat feces, so I'm not worried about that. But, I guess there is a concern if she has an accident in the house and what we have to do to clean it up, as well as leaving her feces outside for x amount of time before I can clean it up. I could be worrying unnecessarily, but with two other dogs in the house, I just want to know what we're dealing with and how to handle it. If we have to split the back yard in half with temporary fencing, that's what we will do. For daytime, we are planning to use the x-pen that Dexter used to use, then we used for Roxy on her last round of pred. Pretty sure Indy will not love that, as she's had most-of-the-house-access for at least 11 years now.

I made a binder for Indy. So far, all it has is the information from the oncologist, a calendar so we can document how she's doing, what she's eating/drinking, etc. and pages for other notes. I still can't believe this is happening. I'm hoping with everything that I have that the oncologist is right and she does get a good quality of life with her treatments.
05-02-2016 09:41 AM
triciakoontz Sending good thoughts and prayers.
05-01-2016 05:43 PM
Lady Kate What a horrid time for you and I am so so sorry.. If it helps at all to know each and every one of us understand what you're going through and to know our thoughts and prayers go out to you.
05-01-2016 10:05 AM
StrykersPerson eighmie,

I am so sorry to hear of this. Ktrin was diagnosed with the same. My Vet also sent me to a specialist who confirmed his diagnosis. I really don't want to bring you down anymore than you already are, but be prepared for the sorrow to come.

I was told by the specialist that chemo would only prolong her life, not necessarily give her quality of life. I chose Prednisone (I am sure I spelled that wrong) to ease her time with me, while I collected myself to say Goodbye.

I went to my vet with the final diagnosis from the specialist with my heart broken and he said check off the bad days and good days on a calendar, and when the bad days outnumber the good days, make your decision. I was selfish and waited too long. She crashed the night before her appointment to be euthanized and we had to make a run for the ER Vet (the specialist) in the middle of the night. I hate myself for waiting too long.

I decided to put Axel down before I came home to find him unable to get up outside during winter.

I am so sad for you. I pray everyone is wrong and she will be okay.

Denise

04-30-2016 08:24 PM
Marieldobes I'm so sorry for the news you received on the tissue diagnosis. Sending positive thoughts and prayers to you and Indy.

Jan
04-30-2016 10:44 AM
LindaH My heart hurts for you eighmie...

I'm so sorry.

If you decide to treat her, try giving bone broth right along. I have a friend giving her dog chemo and she's giving him bone broth and his bloodwork has been good so he hadn't had to skip any treatments. Her vet was pleased she was giving bone broth. Of courser, check with her oncologist first jic.

I've been giving it to Parker and it is helping his allergies.

Bone Broth For Dogs? Here's Why It's A Great Idea!
04-29-2016 08:12 PM
engstrom eighmie, I'm so sorry to hear the news. All I can say is trust yourself and we'll all support you whatever decision you make.
04-29-2016 06:41 PM
HarvestMoon Oh No, I'm so very sorry.
04-29-2016 04:26 PM
MeadowCat
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Originally Posted by eighmie View Post
I talked to the vet earlier. The pathology report confirmed the Lymphoma diagnosis.
I am so sorry.
04-29-2016 04:14 PM
eighmie I talked to the vet earlier. The pathology report confirmed the Lymphoma diagnosis.
04-29-2016 08:35 AM
eighmie
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Originally Posted by melbrod View Post
One thing I have heard is that chemo is not nearly as hard on dogs as it appears to be for people--dogs do tolerate it better.

We’re here for you--feel free to vent, scream, vacillate, hope in spite of bad news, cry, worry....whatever you need to do you can share it here. All of us, probably, have dealt with difficult decisions involving our pets, though maybe not your particular choice. We know how tough it can be.

Again, you’re in our thoughts and prayers.
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Originally Posted by MeadowCat View Post
I'm so sorry to hear this, but glad you at least have the option for some more time with chemo. I, too, have heard that the chemo protocols for dogs are not nearly so hard on them as the ones for humans.
Thank you, everyone, so much. It's so easy to feel like I'm overreacting or feeling things I shouldn't, and then reading what you said, melbrod, is just a good reminder of how amazing and supportive everyone here really is. I think the kick in the pants of it all is that Indy has always been our old reliable. She's just so different than Roxy and Dexter. She's independent, she's healthy, she's just the one we've never had to worry about. We just mailed off the holter to Alba to get that fixed so we can get a good read on Dexters heart. Roxy hasn't had a good week; her energy is low and last night, as I'm petting her, I felt a bump on her. My heart just freaking hurts. I wanted to get Roxy in for a check up and laser treatment for her Wobblers anyway, so we now have an appointment for 8am Monday.

I really hope we hear back from the oncologist today. If we don't, it's going to be one heck of a long weekend. I keep trying to not think about making the decision to do chemo or not; but that's a lot easier said than done. I have also heard that dogs handle chemo protocols better than humans, but just because it's better, is it "good" ? Is it fair to them? Is it just being selfish humans?

Ugh. Okay. I'm usually an annoyingly optimistic person, so I'm going to end this one on some positives. Despite Roxy having a down week, she did instigate a major wrestle mania session with Dexter on Wednesday. She play bowed, bossed him around and looked to have an amazing time. It was very good to see her acting so crazy. Indy has been doing amazing; no signs of distress and has been her usual, happy and independent self. We may be spoiling her a bit more with popcorn, pizza crust, pasta, all the carbs she loves - and she seems very happy with that.
04-27-2016 06:28 PM
MeadowCat I'm so sorry to hear this, but glad you at least have the option for some more time with chemo. I, too, have heard that the chemo protocols for dogs are not nearly so hard on them as the ones for humans.
04-27-2016 06:11 PM
melbrod One thing I have heard is that chemo is not nearly as hard on dogs as it appears to be for people--dogs do tolerate it better.

We’re here for you--feel free to vent, scream, vacillate, hope in spite of bad news, cry, worry....whatever you need to do you can share it here. All of us, probably, have dealt with difficult decisions involving our pets, though maybe not your particular choice. We know how tough it can be.

Again, you’re in our thoughts and prayers.
04-27-2016 05:36 PM
engstrom eighmie, I'm sorry to hear the news. All I can say is trust yourself. Only you can make the right decision for your girl. You and Indy are in my thoughts.
04-27-2016 05:08 PM
HarvestMoon I'm so sorry. I am sending good thoughts that the final lab results will come back as not being lymphoma.

My first doberboy passed away of a combo of lymphoma and hemangiosarcoma.

Sending positive thoughts and prayers for you and Indy.
04-27-2016 04:51 PM
mag9194 Sorry to hear your news. You guys are in my thoughts.. Tough decisions but make them with love and dignity.
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