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05-07-2016 10:53 AM
engstrom
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Originally Posted by dbodin View Post
Its not a fight we can really win unfortunately, as I hate to admit it.... they are right, and we don't have much of a leg to stand on.
I don't agree that "they are right". Yes, cropping is a choice. But so is subjecting your child to head injuries playing soccer. Or letting your significant other risk their life riding a bicycle on the street. There are lots of choices in life and I'm of the opinion that as long as it's unlikely to cause pain or suffering and has no effect on people outside of the ones you're responsible for then it's your choice.

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Originally Posted by dbodin View Post
people are incredible
That's certainly one adjective...maybe not the first one I'd use, but certainly one.
05-07-2016 02:33 AM
dbodin oh im right here with you on this. I had my boys done going on 4 weeks now. I mad the mistake of posting him on my Facebook, I had an instant backlash of people telling me I was cruel, and it was unnecessary etc even though he was back to tearing up the couch right we he came home same day.. Then the others who stop me at petsmart and ask if his ears were injured... then I explain and they say "ohh....." like im some kind of monster, plastic surgery advocate who just forced him to get breast implants. Its not necessary, no. Just explain to people you have a doberman, and you want it to look like a doberman. Its not a fight we can really win unfortunately, as I hate to admit it.... they are right, and we don't have much of a leg to stand on.

ooooh even better, the people who are scared to pet him because they think he is sick. Cracks me up. They ask if he is sick, and I tell them "yes, unfortunately he has ear herpes" and they are always like "ohmigosh, poor thing"

people are incredible
05-06-2016 11:25 PM
Pettrix
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Originally Posted by jesseq View Post
Mac was featured on Kurgo's instagram, and they ending up removing his post because there were so many negative comments about his ears.
Social media is just a place for faceless, nameless, cowards and bullies to post comments without any consequences. I refuse to join Facebook or do any of the Instagram or other outlets like that. This forum is about as far as I will go since it is moderated.

People nowadays mutilate their bodies with body piercing, ear hoops, tattoo's, circumsizing male infants, etc. and I could care less what they do. It's called freedom of choice and liberty. It's so ironic that some people claim to be freedom fighting and libertarian in their beliefs but then they tell others what they can and can't do with other peoples dogs cropping or docking.
05-06-2016 09:30 AM
DobeSC
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Originally Posted by BabyZeus View Post
I usually just ask them how their brother/son/father/uncle/cousin/husband/boyfriend/self felt when they were circumcised and that usually shuts them up.
Haha. The same people who yell at Doberman owners for cropping their ears are probably the same people who take their young daughters to get their ears pierced.
05-06-2016 09:25 AM
DobeSC
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Originally Posted by ChazTheDerperman View Post
A lot of people actually think that Dobermans ears are cropped and posted naturally (they think it's genetic), so if he's a puppy and you're still posting, you'll likely hear plenty of people shouting about animal abuse because they can tell that the ears are the result of cosmetic surgery. When he grows up and is done posting you'll probably get a lot less grief from people because they'll think it's natural.
This.

I haven't read all the other responses, but once your pup is healed and doesn't have obvious posts in the ears, the annoying comments will start going away.

Our 7 month old has natural ears (not because we think it's cruel or anything), and the majority of people we meet don't believe me when I say he's a Doberman. I can't tell you how many times I've heard, "Nah, he's mixed with something, because Dobermans have short, pointy ears".
05-03-2016 07:15 AM
BigDawg Just tell them you like the look so much that you also cropped your Labradors and your cats. You can't reason with them so you might as well have so fun, that or just ignore them
05-02-2016 09:55 PM
havenminx Instagram and Tumblr are the WORST when it comes to the anti-cropping crowds. I am regularly accused of "amputating" my puppy's ears. I have just started deleting + blocking everyone that tries to start something. The irony is that they will go off on you but if you check out their dog on their profile it will have long, overgrown nails, or be wearing a baggy choke chain while crated, or posing next to a bag of the cheapest crappiest kibble. 🙄

Jesseq, that is an incredible photo of Mac. He is gleaming with good health and looks totally perfect. What a well kept boy.
05-02-2016 09:36 PM
BabyZeus I usually just ask them how their brother/son/father/uncle/cousin/husband/boyfriend/self felt when they were circumcised and that usually shuts them up.
05-02-2016 08:01 PM
Strife Ever since those comments on my photo of Strife last night, I've gotten multiple anonymous messages on tumblr giving me hell for his ears and "mutilating him" for "shitty showing."

Like...why do you care? He isn't hurt. He's just fine. Happy and healthy and loved.
05-02-2016 05:08 PM
jesseq
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Originally Posted by havenminx View Post
Oh, that is a damn shame. I am so sorry to hear this.
Thanks, I was pretty bummed. I mean I understand... because clearly he looks mistreated and unhappy here... *sarcasm*

And I get SO many comments about his ears when we go out... I try and be nice but normally by the end of our hikes or walks, my BF has to step in and answer before I snark off on someone. I guess dealing with the ear bologna is an ok trade off for having the best dogs in the world
05-02-2016 04:40 PM
jdd A few years ago I had a 4 month old Chihuahua shipped to me. When the breeder took her to the airport her ears had tape on them to help strengthen them. Guy at the airport made them untape her ears cause it made her look like a fighting dog.
05-02-2016 02:21 PM
Cressrb To give you an example of how reactive people can get without even knowing the facts... I raise and show Chinese Cresteds and we tape their ears, starting at 5 wks to train them to stand erect. We do not crop them. Taping just strengthens the cartilege.
I had a pup of mine at Petsmart with ears taped. I couldn't believe the people that came up to me with, 'You cropped that poor baby's ears? How cruel' or 'What happened to his ears, why are they in bandages?" and other comments. So, it is the bandages that cause the problem.
On the other hand, I have had people comment on my adult Doberman whose ears are cropped - 'I'm so glad you didn't crop her ears'. Just leaves you dumbfounded.
05-02-2016 01:58 PM
atomic As somebody new to Dobermans, I will say something. I've always had APBT where cropping is common but not so much a "necessity" like it is for the Doberman standard. I believe it is simply the image of them being all bandaged up that gives off the illusion that they just had some major, and still exceedingly tender and painful operation. Fact is - it looks bad. I know and you know it's simply to form the ears, but to anybody that isn't familiar with the procedure it appears dastardly.

I -personally- don't crop or dock any of my dogs because I don't compete in conformation classes. And two I think they are beautiful/perfect how they are supposed to be that something so cosmetic is not important to me. Serious question, are the Doberman tails weak or more likely to break than another dogs to where docking is more beneficial than not? Somebody mentioned it as a point so I was curious, because surgery for a health benefit is something I am interested in.

Also, WHERE on earth in a first world country could you abort a baby at 39 weeks?? Babies are born months early and survive. How could you "abort" one so close to its delivery date? First trimester, sure. Even sometimes into the second. But that sounds a little extreme. And, how does that relate to cropping a dogs ears?
05-02-2016 12:27 PM
havenminx
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Originally Posted by jesseq View Post
Mac was featured on Kurgo's instagram, and they ending up removing his post because there were so many negative comments about his ears.
Oh, that is a damn shame. I am so sorry to hear this.
05-02-2016 11:49 AM
jesseq
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Originally Posted by Caleb Cox View Post
My wife and I have an Instagram account for all of our dogs, mainly featuring Mabel. Every time we post a pic of May with her posts showing we get a number of extremely hateful comments in every language imaginable. Just delete them and move on. Responding only makes it worse.
Mac was featured on Kurgo's instagram, and they ending up removing his post because there were so many negative comments about his ears.
05-02-2016 10:35 AM
havenminx Last week I took the puppy, unposted, to run a few errands. So his ears were naked and standing, like a big boy's. And someone commented, "Aren't you going to get his ears done?"

I was flabbergasted! You truly can't win when it comes to the general public.
05-01-2016 10:46 PM
Strife I only responded once. There have been multiple replies from them and their friends since. I was just very surprised. Usually I just got comments on how cute he is, or asking how I got him.


We were at Home Depot today and a few people asked about his posts, but there was nothing like that.
05-01-2016 10:44 PM
Caleb Cox My wife and I have an Instagram account for all of our dogs, mainly featuring Mabel. Every time we post a pic of May with her posts showing we get a number of extremely hateful comments in every language imaginable. Just delete them and move on. Responding only makes it worse.
05-01-2016 10:43 PM
engstrom Some people are both rude and idiots. Try and not let it bother you.

By the way, cute pic. Thanks for sharing!
05-01-2016 10:29 PM
Strife Funny. This just happened. I don't know this person. I've never spoken to them before. They chose to come at me because I posted a photo of my dog on my tumblr....



I definitely went off on her... but still. Who DOES that?
04-10-2016 07:31 PM
GuinnessYYC
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Originally Posted by jojobeanz View Post
I had been subjected to similar comments when my boy was still in posts-" its cruel and mean and the poor puppy it must hurt!" Best answer that worked for me"-it's kind of like having a facelift, but permanent" since 98% of those verbal abusing me were older women, it worked like a charm! now that he's a big boy they just cross the street.
don't let the haters get you down-I don't
LOL! Thanks JoJo
04-10-2016 06:58 PM
jojobeanz I had been subjected to similar comments when my boy was still in posts-" its cruel and mean and the poor puppy it must hurt!" Best answer that worked for me"-it's kind of like having a facelift, but permanent" since 98% of those verbal abusing me were older women, it worked like a charm! now that he's a big boy they just cross the street.
don't let the haters get you down-I don't
04-06-2016 08:33 PM
GuinnessYYC OMG Right? It's like "OH look - a woman...she MUST be weak and need an opinion - let us go toward her"...FML. People are such dicks to women.
04-05-2016 08:37 PM
havenminx
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Originally Posted by 4x4bike ped View Post
So... Maybe 10 years or so ago, I am walking my son's boy. His ears were posted. A young woman on a bicycle started riding around me. She wasn't yelling, but she was making derogatory comments about the pup's ears. Typical PC stuff. Really rude.

Ignored her, but she kept it up. So I stopped and asked her what her issues were. She actually rode up and said: "Some one ought to do that to you!" Being the quick witted fellow that I am (LOL), I said: " They already have, only in a more sensitive area. Would you like to see?" Then I proceed to pretend like I was going to unbuckle my jeans.

She rode off and, though I occasionally would see her, she never approached me again.

An absolutely true story.

In recent years, I really haven't gotten any crap from people, except for the eye rolling and muttering disapproval under the breath. The bottom line is the with all the misconceptions about the Doberman breed one needs to develop a slightly thicker skin.

John
Portland OR

Edit: Just wanted to add, that they are the same idiots that a year later will come up to me and thank me for leaving my dog's ears natural. Same dog! Of course I simply smile and say "Your welcome".
Love this story, John! Had me cackling.

An observation: my husband does not get comments when he takes the pup out, and we don't get any when we go out together with the pup. There seems to be something about a woman by herself with a dog that invites comments.
04-04-2016 10:38 PM
EvanR
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Originally Posted by Shady View Post
See I had had to get Sam to go to sleep in my lap to post his ears but when I get out the Dremel he come running and holds up his paw
Quikiest dog breed ever.

I'd trade problems. Posting ends pretty quick! I have nail duty forever. Maybe he'll eventually grow to tolerate it.
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