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05-02-2015 07:45 PM
sgourle That food looks like a really good choice for you, and at a reasonable price. Can't wait to see pics of the puppy
05-02-2015 05:25 PM
mickiemacbay right now I have decided to start with 4health and if the puppy does not seem to take a liking to that then I will switch to Nutro of Taste of the wild
05-02-2015 03:06 PM
Coco Loco Good luck to the OP as it is tough to find a food that works for your dog. Like Rosemary says it's the food that agrees the most with your dog and something you can afford to feed.

I would stay away from Iams but I'm probably not the best person to give advice on kibble as Coco did horribly on any kibble I tried. She's been raw fed for 5 years and it is what works best for her and I. Raw is not for everyone or every dog. I am excited though that today my raw food store had ground beaver in cubes that I got half a pound for Coco to try. She's never had it before!
05-02-2015 02:50 PM
stryker2 A slightly under weight dog would be better for the pet than an over weight one.
05-02-2015 01:19 PM
melbrod A reminder to all--keep your posts civil toward other users. Rudeness will not be tolerated here.
05-02-2015 12:56 AM
4x4bike ped
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Originally Posted by SoCalDobe View Post
4x4 I think the point many people are making is that modern science has come up with good consensus guidelines on food, exercise and nutrition for growing canines.

Disregard at your own (dog's) risk.
Thank you for your input. As I have previously commented, my newest pup just had a complete exam (@7 months) by his Veterinarian, who is in my opinion, one of the finest vets I have known in my 50 some years of owning dogs. The dog is totally healthy.

I have never owned a dog that was determined to be over weight. I have never owned a dog who developed joint issues.

My pups are always well cared for and probably receive more incidental vet visits than almost any dogs I know. That would be primarily because I am on the "Family and Friends" list, due to the fact that our vet is my son's father in law.In other words "free'. I can stop by at any time any receive a comp visit.
This man is not only superbly competent, he is also one of the most socially aware canine doctor/surgeons around. He spent a month this year in the Cook Islands providing free care to animals in need.

My problem here is the dozen or so commenters (who shall remain anonymous),
on this forum ,who tend to be overbearing. Intimidating, in fact. Which would be fine if their info was fact and not just rhetoric, furthering their egos.

You know who they are...


John S. Lichtwardt
Portland, OR
05-02-2015 12:10 AM
SoCalDobe 4x4 I think the point many people are making is that modern science has come up with good consensus guidelines on food, exercise and nutrition for growing canines.

Disregard at your own (dog's) risk.
05-01-2015 11:25 PM
4x4bike ped
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Originally Posted by Jazi View Post
My grandfather is older than you and has had dogs since he was born. Doesn't change that the dog he has currently is obese. Neither does it change that your puppy at least was overweight in that photo. You say he is not now, why not a recent picture to prove such? I can certainly prove that my own puppy is not overweight, even though I do not overexercise him.

Many vets do not know a healthy dog from a fat one, and many more will not rock the boat and potentially offend an owner when their dog or cat is too fat. Considering your response to multiple people expressing concern over your dog's weight, I'm guessing your vet may be the latter.

My dog does not weigh that much at that height and he is older. Just saying.
Hey, I like a teeny dobie too (like yours) my oldest male averages 65lb.

When I brought my current pup McCoy home at his initial vet visit, the comment was (at the end of his thorough exam): Beautiful dog, yet he has a massive bone structure. He will probably be very large example of a Doberman.

BTW, you don't know my vet. You should be so lucky!
05-01-2015 09:18 PM
4x4bike ped
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Originally Posted by SieYa View Post
Pedigree has nothing to do with weight... Put up or shut up as they say. I've seen lots of people own pets for years and years and each pet is over weight or plain obese. So forgive me if I don't care how long you've owned a dog or where it's ultimately from. Fat is fat regardless of age and damaging to joints and ligaments. If you were so knowledgeable you'd know that and take appropriate measures to ensure your dogs joints are not overly stressed, and the dog maintains a healthy weight.

But hey... You know everything....
Thank you for your concern!

I will pass you comments on to both my 75lb. dog ( I just realized he is actually pushing 8 months) and his highly regarded veterinarian.

Should you care to leave your credentials, I am sure that the both would be appreciative. (put up or shut up. Or remain anonymous as most mouthy forum posters do)

John S. Lichtwardt
Portland, OR
05-01-2015 09:05 PM
SieYa
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Originally Posted by 4x4bike ped View Post
LOL.... "Wow, way to let your defensiveness turn you into a jerk."

Uh..... Pot, Kettle , Black . Need I say more?

"Can you ride a horse over a 3'+ jump? "

Since I was 10 years old. (maybe 8)

YOU?

When did you own your first registered Doberman?

Mine was AKC Britten David DOB 9/8/74.

Owned them ever since. Never looked back. Want to compare notes?

Your dog's pedigree?

My "overweight" pup is the product of the union of Cambria's Highly Regarded (Raydon) and Foxfire's Tell Me About It (Jewlia).

I don't show or breed Dobies. They are my pets, my family. In fact he is the first dog that I have registered in over 20 years. Primarily, because there is no point, as their lineage ends with my ownership.

My responsibility towards my dogs is impeccable.

I have a hard time with canine "pedants".

Sorry, hope to communicate with you on a more sociable level the future

John S. Lichtwardt
Portland
Pedigree has nothing to do with weight... Put up or shut up as they say. I've seen lots of people own pets for years and years and each pet is over weight or plain obese. So forgive me if I don't care how long you've owned a dog or where it's ultimately from. Fat is fat regardless of age and damaging to joints and ligaments. If you were so knowledgeable you'd know that and take appropriate measures to ensure your dogs joints are not overly stressed, and the dog maintains a healthy weight.

But hey... You know everything....
05-01-2015 08:58 PM
4x4bike ped
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Originally Posted by SieYa View Post
Wow, way to let your defensiveness turn you into a jerk.

Your dog from the pictures you provided is carrying more weight than he should be. Like it or lump it the truth is right there. Fat. Dog.

Great you can walk 5 miles... Can you ride a horse over a 3'+ jump? No? Then what's your point?
Over exercising, added weight. You are creating unneeded stress on joints. Damage that may likely not surface right away, but once the damage is done it cannot be undone!
LOL.... "Wow, way to let your defensiveness turn you into a jerk."

Uh..... Pot, Kettle , Black . Need I say more?

"Can you ride a horse over a 3'+ jump? "

Since I was 10 years old. (maybe 8)

YOU?

When did you own your first registered Doberman?

Mine was AKC Britten David DOB 9/8/74.

Owned them ever since. Never looked back. Want to compare notes?

Your dog's pedigree?

My "overweight" pup is the product of the union of Cambria's Highly Regarded (Raydon) and Foxfire's Tell Me About It (Jewlia).

I don't show or breed Dobies. They are my pets, my family. In fact he is the first dog that I have registered in over 20 years. Primarily, because there is no point, as their lineage ends with my ownership.

My responsibility towards my dogs is impeccable.

I have a hard time with canine "pedants".

Sorry, hope to communicate with you on a more sociable level the future

John S. Lichtwardt
Portland
05-01-2015 08:40 PM
Jazi
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Originally Posted by 4x4bike ped View Post
Thank you for your advice. I will add it to my experience of owning and raising dogs since I was 8 years old (I am currently 62).

The photo you posted from my gallery was taken just before a huge growth spurt. That's why I thought it was so cute. And you thought he looked "a little chunky" LOL. I love armchair quarterbacks! If you saw him in person today, you would hardly think that he was over weight.

As I stated previously, his vet gave him a thorough check-up two days ago and proclaimed to be in great shape.

BTW, 75 lb.s @ 7 1/2 months given a very large boned male is hardly out of line.
Still, I appreciate the advice and look forward to reading your commets in the future!
My grandfather is older than you and has had dogs since he was born. Doesn't change that the dog he has currently is obese. Neither does it change that your puppy at least was overweight in that photo. You say he is not now, why not a recent picture to prove such? I can certainly prove that my own puppy is not overweight, even though I do not overexercise him.

Many vets do not know a healthy dog from a fat one, and many more will not rock the boat and potentially offend an owner when their dog or cat is too fat. Considering your response to multiple people expressing concern over your dog's weight, I'm guessing your vet may be the latter.

My dog does not weigh that much at that height and he is older. Just saying.
05-01-2015 08:18 PM
mickiemacbay Thank you Rosemary, I looked into that and do think I like it, or will atleast give it a try. My dad's dog is on 4health also and she seems to like it. I also am a fan of the price for what it has. price wasn't too big of an issue, but the cheaper would be better
05-01-2015 08:16 PM
SieYa
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4x4bike ped View Post
Thank you for your advice. I will add it to my experience of owning and raising dogs since I was 8 years old (I am currently 62).

The photo you posted from my gallery was taken just before a huge growth spurt. That's why I thought it was so cute. And you thought he looked "a little chunky" LOL. I love armchair quarterbacks! If you saw him in person today, you would hardly think that he was over weight.

As I stated previously, his vet gave him a thorough check-up two days ago and proclaimed to be in great shape.

BTW, 75 lb.s @ 7 1/2 months given a very large boned male is hardly out of line.
Still, I appreciate the advice and look forward to reading your commets in the future!

Post a picture....
If he was overweight before his 'growth' spurt dollars to donuts he's Overweight now.
05-01-2015 08:07 PM
4x4bike ped
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Originally Posted by Jazi View Post

@4x4bike ped: this is your youngster at 5 months old, right? He's actually looking a little chunky to me there. Also, please tell me that you are not exercising a 7 month old that much! I understand having an active dog, but there's a difference between having an active dog and overexercising your puppy. At 7 months old, you should not be taking him on such long walks at all! I haven't even been doing that with my year old boy.

I personally feed raw and have found it works very well for us. It doesn't for everyone, but for both Creed and myself we are very comfortable with this. Creed is an active boy with lots of energy and we spend every day working on something, even if for short periods of time.

OP- if you are concerned about a budget, the food I've found to be good quality on a budget is Merrick's Whole Earth Farms, which is a 4.5 star rated food that you can get at any Petco and also online on sites like Chewy to be delivered to your door.

Thank you for your advice. I will add it to my experience of owning and raising dogs since I was 8 years old (I am currently 62).

The photo you posted from my gallery was taken just before a huge growth spurt. That's why I thought it was so cute. And you thought he looked "a little chunky" LOL. I love armchair quarterbacks! If you saw him in person today, you would hardly think that he was over weight.

As I stated previously, his vet gave him a thorough check-up two days ago and proclaimed to be in great shape.

BTW, 75 lb.s @ 7 1/2 months given a very large boned male is hardly out of line.
Still, I appreciate the advice and look forward to reading your commets in the future!
05-01-2015 07:59 PM
Rosemary
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Originally Posted by mickiemacbay View Post
i will be getting my food from the local rural king or tractor supply depending on which carries it and which is cheaper of the brand (normally rural king) the first ingredients in the iams are chicken, chicken by product meal, and corn meal. I do not know what my breeder is feeding as the pups have not yet been born... due at the end of the month. I will talk to the breeder about it though when it comes time, im just trying to get a good idea of the price im looking at and what kinds of foods other people recommend.
If cost is an issue, and you have a Tractor Supply Co. store available, go there, and get their 4Health grain free food. That's what I'm feeding my crew at the moment.
05-01-2015 07:58 PM
Eiros
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Originally Posted by SieYa View Post
Wow, way to let your defensiveness turn you into a jerk.



Your dog from the pictures you provided is carrying more weight than he should be. Like it or lump it the truth is right there. Fat. Dog.



Great you can walk 5 miles... Can you ride a horse over a 3'+ jump?

Over exercising, added weight. You are creating unneeded stress on joints. Damage that may likely not surface right away, but once the damage is done it cannot be undone!

Over-exercising an immature dog CAN put extra stress and damage a dog's joints... Especially in a breed prone to such issues.

Over-exercising a FAT immature dog is just asking for it lol.

Not sure what the size of a dog owner has to do with identifying a clearly chunky young dog... I would think caring about your pets weight and joint health would make one inclined to care for their own??
05-01-2015 07:56 PM
mickiemacbay i would like to stay with those choices because I don't really want to have to order my food online... id like to just go in store and buy it as needed. Ill look more into taste of the wild and nutro.
05-01-2015 07:52 PM
SieYa
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Originally Posted by 4x4bike ped View Post
Yeah, in my 52 years of owning dogs, I have heard a lot of fat dog owners say that. Love the projection.

How much do you weigh?

Can you walk 5 miles?

Regardless.thank you for your advice

Wow, way to let your defensiveness turn you into a jerk.

Your dog from the pictures you provided is carrying more weight than he should be. Like it or lump it the truth is right there. Fat. Dog.

Great you can walk 5 miles... Can you ride a horse over a 3'+ jump? No? Then what's your point?
Over exercising, added weight. You are creating unneeded stress on joints. Damage that may likely not surface right away, but once the damage is done it cannot be undone!
05-01-2015 07:40 PM
4x4bike ped
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Originally Posted by MeadowCat View Post
Am I understanding correctly that you let a puppy walk that much? I personally wouldn't do that. Their joints aren't done maturing and their growth plates aren't closed, and there is a chance of doing long term damage with that much exercise before they are fully matured. Typically growth plates aren't closed in a dog that young.
Yeah, in my 52 years of owning dogs, I have heard a lot of fat dog owners say that. Love the projection.

How much do you weigh?

Can you walk 5 miles?

Regardless.thank you for your advice
05-01-2015 06:46 PM
sgourle OP, I agree with SieYa that Nutro or TOTW large breed puppy would be best if you are truly limited to those choices. However, keep in mind that Chewy.com, Petflow.com, and Wag.com all offer premium foods and deliver free over a certain amount, usually $50. I have purchased from all three sites and would recommend any of them. Although there is really nothing wrong with corn in-and-of-itself, it does not have the same benefits for dogs as it does for people. I have heard from vets that it is okay to feed a food with corn, but that it should not be one of the first 5 ingredients. Personally, I feed Orijen Six Fish dry, Orijen Tundra freeze dried, and Tripett Green Bison Tripe canned (Juneau has been picky lately).

Also, regarding the ingredients you listed, keep in mind that chicken is 80% water, so once cooked it is really much further down the list, making your first ingredients chicken by-product mean and corn meal.

Looking at all of those pages is VERY useful and you should definitely take some time periodically to stay up-to-date with foods and new formulas that often go unannounced (which is why I stopped feeding Canidae). However, it can seem like a daunting task. In case you have not perused other foods online, here is an example. The top 5 ingredients in in a variety of foods of varying price ranges.

Orijen Tundra: Goat, venison, mutton, bison, whole arctic char
Acana Ranchlands: Deboned lamb, lamb meal, duck meal, whitefish meal, whole peas
*Nutro Large Breed Puppy: Chicken, Chicken Meal, Brewers Rice, Whole Brown Rice, Whole Grain Oatmeal
*Canidae Pure Sky: Duck, duck meal, turkey meal, sweet potatoes, peas
*Merrick Buffalo & Sweet Potato: Deboned Buffalo, Chicken Meal, Potatoes, Salmon Meal, Sweet Potatoes
*Blue Buffalo Large Breed Puppy: Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Brown Rice, Barley, Oatmeal
*TOTW Pacific Stream Puppy: Salmon, ocean fish meal, sweet potatoes, potatoes, peas

* Indicates foods which have an added copper supplement which has been controversial related to copper storage. Merrick and Blue Buffalo have "copper amino acid complex" so I don't know if that presents the same issues as Copper Proteinate/Sulfate.
05-01-2015 06:28 PM
stryker2
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Originally Posted by mickiemacbay View Post
After looking more at the ingredients now, i think i have narrowed it down a bit... tell me your opinion on these: Science Diet Ideal Balance Puppy, Nutro Max Natural puppy food, Nutro Natural Choice puppy food, Taste of the Wild puppy chow, and Blue Buffalo puppy. Also, should i get food specifically for large breed puppies, or will just regular work. i see lots of those brands will have a regular puppy food, large breed, and small breed.
Well there are better ones than those above. Look them up on dog food advisor side by side.
05-01-2015 05:13 PM
SieYa Jazi, if that is his pup... That is not a good weight!


Mickiemacbay if push came to shove, I'd go nutro it totw (sweet jebus that's hard to say) over any of the others. And large breed!
05-01-2015 05:01 PM
mickiemacbay After looking more at the ingredients now, i think i have narrowed it down a bit... tell me your opinion on these: Science Diet Ideal Balance Puppy, Nutro Max Natural puppy food, Nutro Natural Choice puppy food, Taste of the Wild puppy chow, and Blue Buffalo puppy. Also, should i get food specifically for large breed puppies, or will just regular work. i see lots of those brands will have a regular puppy food, large breed, and small breed.
05-01-2015 04:58 PM
Jazi
@4x4bike ped: this is your youngster at 5 months old, right? He's actually looking a little chunky to me there. Also, please tell me that you are not exercising a 7 month old that much! I understand having an active dog, but there's a difference between having an active dog and overexercising your puppy. At 7 months old, you should not be taking him on such long walks at all! I haven't even been doing that with my year old boy.

I personally feed raw and have found it works very well for us. It doesn't for everyone, but for both Creed and myself we are very comfortable with this. Creed is an active boy with lots of energy and we spend every day working on something, even if for short periods of time.

OP- if you are concerned about a budget, the food I've found to be good quality on a budget is Merrick's Whole Earth Farms, which is a 4.5 star rated food that you can get at any Petco and also online on sites like Chewy to be delivered to your door.
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