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11-15-2008 07:55 AM
LeighaG81 I am happy to say that I have one of those "rare" dobies that gets along with all dogs, male and female. We socialized the heck out of him since he was a puppy as well as obedience training, etc. I agree most dobies are male aggressive but I am proud to say that I have one of those rare male dobies. :biggrin55:
02-08-2008 08:53 PM
doberkim Well, we were all curious - in another post you stated you already had your eye on a 10 month old somewhere that you were potentially lining up. Good luck.
02-08-2008 02:07 PM
Danielle_Mae Thanks to everyone for all the input! I really appreciate it; there were some very good points. I do like the idea of the electric fence.

I do want to make sure that everyone understands I am, by no means, trying to somehow shirk the responsibility of owning a Doberman!! That’s why I joined this forum…so that I could find out from those of you with experience on the topics of two males living under the same roof, what the rescues will expect of not only me, but my surroundings…because I honestly don’t know. I don’t HAVE to get a male…in fact I only asked that to get an honest opinion from people. As far as doberkim’s question “why would it stay at my parent’s house?” I don’t know…that is why I asked.

And for the record…I certainly don’t plan to get ANY dog tomorrow or even next month. I need to know everything I can know before I make such a commitment.

I am very grateful to everyone for their patience and advice…I will have more posts-so keep your eye’s peeled!

-Danielle
02-07-2008 08:59 PM
greenkouki Not all rescue groups are as particular about your living situation, as long as you can really show them that you have done your research and that you are ready for the comitment, getting a rescue dog should be no problem. If you have just looked at dobe specific rescues you should contact your local humane society, county shelter, and all breed rescue groups and let them know you are looking for a dobe and of course leave your contact info. I think it would be a good idea to consider a female, she will be just as goofy and loveable as any dober male and will still make a great companion with less risk of agression towards the pup you already have. It's going to be a tough decision, but I think you're approaching it very well; weighing all the pros and cons for each.
02-07-2008 05:58 PM
KCFilley I second what everyone says about having two males together. Just because your Beagle is submissive does not mean he's submissive to another male who moves in to "his" territory. If you adopted a much older male, you might be ok.

I owned two males who were only about a year apart. The were inseparable until they went outside together. During their 12 years together, they were in two fights to the death. These were normally loving dogs who slept in the same bed together often with their legs intertwined. Their two fights were unbelievably vicious and each truly wanted to kill the other dog. Both their throats had gashes, legs were cut and one's head was cut from one ear to the other. (If you search out Wheeler's eulogy on the Rainbow Bridge, you'll see how loving they were to each other as a general rule.) A fight between a Beagle and a Doberman probably could be broken up if caught in time but if you didn't, the Beagle or the Dobie could be seriously injured.

I therefore don't think it matters whether you have a young puppy or a 1 to 2 year old Doberman male rescue. I'm afraid you may run the same risk at a later point when the dogs decide to establish their pecking order. A female Doberman rescue or a female Doberman puppy should be a great solution.

I've owned other breeds and am absolutely in love with the Doberman's personality. The Dobies I've known are loyal, smart, beautiful, loving and usually protective when they need to be.

I'm going to get another Dobie within the next few years and I will get a female. I currently have a 13 year old male and a 3 month old male puppy. Although I love males, I just won't go thru what I went thru with the two males in those awful fights. My breeder on the other hand loves her females so just as long as it's a Doberman...

One thing you might consider is checking with your local rescue and asking if an electric fence would work. While I was building my home, I had a fenced yard but wanted part of it sectioned off just for the dogs. I used good sturdy posts and electric ribbons about 12" apart. They only had to touch it once and then they stayed totally off the fence. Others may disagree with that type of fence but it worked for me. The ribbon was not dangerous at all. Even on the vinyl fence I now have, I run an electric wire at the bottom (not always on).

Good luck.

Oh, welcome to this forum.
02-07-2008 04:57 PM
doberkim
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Originally Posted by Danielle_Mae View Post
Hello All!



- I want a male-are all males aggressive towards other male dogs? My boyfriend has a very submissively tempered beagle puppy that is a 4-5 month old male. What are the chances the two won’t get along, and will getting a puppy make the difference? This is very important to both of us-we spend a lot of time together so our pooches will too. =]
All male dobermans are potentially aggressive towards other males to some degree, and should be approached as such. Getting a puppy will mean that right now, they will likely get along - but as your pup gets older, it will mean that you will have NO IDEA if they will get along at all. An adult male doberman may be able to tolerate a puppy now, and ignore an adult later on down the line, as long as he doesn't have to live with the dog, but you cannot make such a guarantee for a puppy. Personally, while you may WANT a male, your best best is a female. Listen to what other people tell you, and do what is best for the situation, even if it's not what you think you want - any doberman can make a great pet, and females are wonderful as well. The male-male aggression can be a significant problem, and as a first time doberman owner, you really don't want to have to deal with this.

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-Are the actual Rescue’s (i.e. the groups that obtain the dogs from their unfortunate situations) extremely intrusive? I know they are simply looking out for the best intentions of the animals, but nobody appreciates being told how they are going to do things. I’ve read over some of the applications (online) and I haven’t found any that ask too much, my concern is for the so-called ‘contracts’ they ask you to enter into. Anyone had experience?
Rescues are very concerned about where their dogs go, but so are breeders - first and foremost these are their dogs, and they want to make sure that their dogs end up in the right place. They are going to want to do a home visit, meet with everyone in the house, and such. And please know, while it's not a huge thing, your age is going to be a factor, since it appears you are at least a young person and still live at home with your family and have an uncertain future. For ANY person - rescue or breeder, that isn't the ideal time to get a dog. I am not sure you are going to even be OLD enough to adopt a dog from some rescues, depending on your age (this isn't meant offensively, I do not know how old you are).


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-Will certain Rescue’s deny a person for ANYTHING & EVERYTHING?? For example-I know a lot of them ask that you have a 6’ fence in your back yard…I don't have one & do I plan on getting one either. My back yard is huge (almost 3.5 acres) it’d be pretty expensive to put a fence of that size in. Plus I don't know that my parents would be willing to do that. Do they make any attempts at all to work with interested persons?
Each rescue has certain things they will and will not compromise on. You don't have to fence in all 3.5 acres, but are you planning on fencing ANYTHING in? Rescue isn't the only group that has requirements - a breeder is likely going to want you to have a fence as well - a good responsible breeder is going to want the same things as a good breeder. It's only by going to poor, BYB's and the like that you escape the requirements.

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-Being that I still live with my parents…say I get a Dobe from a Rescue and 2 years later I am able to move out on my own, (going back to the intrusiveness of the actual Rescue) am I not going to be able to take the dog with me b/c of the contract? I have a lot of apprehensions about the contract.
just so you know, you sign a contract when you purchase a puppy too. If you sign the contract that the dog is yours, it travels with you, not lives on the property. If you move away from your parents house, the dog would move with you, why would it stay at your parents house? You would still need to make sure you meet the requirements of the adoption, however - Ie fencing, housing that allows dobermans, etc.

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-Finally…& this isn’t a really big deal, but are names changeable? I know that it borderlines on just plain confusion of the dog, but some of the rescued Dobe’s have really dumb names (in my opinion). Would the age of the dog be the ultimate decider for this?
I've changed names and kept names on all ages of dobermans, and it hasnt' made a difference the age of the dog, they all catch on easily.

I've adopted 5 different dogs from 4 different rescues (2 doberman specific and 2 general) and purchased one puppy, and all had requirements. Some I met, some were bent, some I had to change my life to meet, but they are in place for a reason. Doing your research is worth it, keep doing more.
02-07-2008 04:47 PM
sebsyd All good advice from above. I would add that a rescue animal will be older in most cases. He may have had testing done, ie blood, shots, neutered, ect. so that will definitly reduce your costs. Also the dog will cost you less than a puppy, unless you go to a BYB. NOt having to potty train in some cases is a plus. I am sure there are many more pros and cons, maybe some members will join in and add a few.
02-07-2008 04:32 PM
dobestar I think that some male Dobermans could probably get along with a submissive Beagle, but frequently fighting does develop as they start to test each other. Unfortunately, that's not something that is always obvious in the beginning. You might think that the beagle and the male Dobe are going to get along, and then after a few months, someone gets mad and the fights begin. Then you have a problem.

Our rescue group would require you to have some kind of fence, but it doesn't have to be the whole property, just a safe place where you can turn the dog out to go potty. Typically, our only exceptions to the fence policy are for folks that live in a townhouse or apartment where they would be forced to take the dog for multiple daily walks for exercise, and they wouldn't be in a position to just let the dog out the door. People who live on acreage always think that they have so much space that their dog would never leave, but it would only take a motivated Doberman about 5 seconds to run off your property, if he/she was a chasing a rabbit. In regards to the height of the fence, while I know that some Dobermans will jump fences - in my experience I have rarely seen that, so we only ask for a 4 foot fence.

In response to your 2nd question, if you signed the adoption application, the dog is yours. However, we require our adopters to be at least 21 years old.

As far as re-naming your rescue dog, that is up to you. We would ask that you tell us what you renamed him or her, so that we can keep our records up to date.

There are certainly pros and cons to buying a puppy or rescuing an adult dog. However, the breeders you talk to should be as picky as we are, if not more so. A good breeder will require you to sign a contract as well. If they don't, you should probably find a different breeder.
02-07-2008 02:12 PM
whitecat A good rescue group and a responsible breeder usually have the same requirements for placing their dogs, so those requirements shouldn't be a factor in your decision of which to get.

Not all male Dobermans are male dog aggressiv e but most of them are, so imo it's not worth the risk to take the chance of fighting. it doesn't matter if the beagle puppy is submissive or not, when both dogs reach adulthood is when the fightin would start, and when he is an adult the beagle may not be so submissive any more anyway.

Personally i wouldn't place either a puppy or a rescue dog with someone who doesn't have a fence, no matter where they live. you don't have to fence the entire property, just enough to provide a safe place for the dog to go to relieve itself and get a little esxercise.
02-07-2008 01:48 PM
Danielle_Mae
Rescue Dobe vs. Dobe Puppy Questions...

Hello All!

I'm posting this again b/c I only got two replies to the other one...I'm hoping for more this time...thanks. & I know this is a long thread...but please bear w/ me. =]

As some of you may know…I am currently a wanna-b Doberman owner that is doing her research to figure out all the specifics she can prior to her first doggie.

I am curious though, about the pros and cons of adopting a rescue Dobe vs. a puppy. I have seriously considered both-but my lack of experience is, once again, a big factor in my not knowing. My actual concern is about the possible baggage they may carry. So here goes...

- I want a male-are all males aggressive towards other male dogs? My boyfriend has a very submissively tempered beagle puppy that is a 4-5 month old male. What are the chances the two won’t get along, and will getting a puppy make the difference? This is very important to both of us-we spend a lot of time together so our pooches will too. =]

-Are the actual Rescue’s (i.e. the groups that obtain the dogs from their unfortunate situations) extremely intrusive? I know they are simply looking out for the best intentions of the animals, but nobody appreciates being told how they are going to do things. I’ve read over some of the applications (online) and I haven’t found any that ask too much, my concern is for the so-called ‘contracts’ they ask you to enter into. Anyone had experience?

-Will certain Rescue’s deny a person for ANYTHING & EVERYTHING?? For example-I know a lot of them ask that you have a 6’ fence in your back yard…I don't have one & do I plan on getting one either. My back yard is huge (almost 3.5 acres) it’d be pretty expensive to put a fence of that size in. Plus I don't know that my parents would be willing to do that. Do they make any attempts at all to work with interested persons?

-Being that I still live with my parents…say I get a Dobe from a Rescue and 2 years later I am able to move out on my own, (going back to the intrusiveness of the actual Rescue) am I not going to be able to take the dog with me b/c of the contract? I have a lot of apprehensions about the contract.

-Finally…& this isn’t a really big deal, but are names changeable? I know that it borderlines on just plain confusion of the dog, but some of the rescued Dobe’s have really dumb names (in my opinion). Would the age of the dog be the ultimate decider for this?

Please, Please, Please do not take anything I have mentioned as some attempt to shirk responsibility-remember I am doing all this to be as well prepared as I can. I want to make sure I have EVERYTHING covered and am relying on you all, who have had more experience than me, to answer some of my basic need-to-know questions.

Thank you all in advance!!
Your fellow Doberman lover,

Danielle

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