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10-03-2018 03:12 PM
BuffysMom I adopted an abandoned female (spayed) at 3 1/2 yrs old. She knew nothing! I put a light show chain on her and slipped it up high. I made her sit, get calm and balanced, then stepped out. One or two quick snaps, and she never left my side again. After 4 days, she had a poly-flat collar and walked loose leash ever since.
She never got distracted, always looking at me, unless we were riding (yes, she went trail riding with my and my horse!) and she saw a pond - she would dive right in, and my horse would follow.
She spoiled me on the breed!
07-30-2018 11:02 AM
aro We have trained the loose leash walk with changing direction every time he pulls. It’s sort of annoying in the beginning as we humans is quite goal oriented when we are out walking and turning 90 or 180degrees when he starts pulling us sort of counterproductive for our goal (get to the store etc). The last 6 months we changed our approach to be that the goal was to make him walk nicely on his walks and that made it much easier to be consistent with turning when he pulls. If he pulls now and we change direction one time he remember how he is supposed to walk and assume the correct position for the rest of the walk.


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07-27-2018 10:14 PM
PetMom4Life Q: What does a dog get when she finishes obedience school?

A: Her pet-degree!
01-22-2017 07:41 PM
Finnegan
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Originally Posted by dobie822 View Post
My 2 dobes have both been through basic obedience training (long ago). I am really tired of being dragged around (I only weigh 100 lbs and my dobes are much stronger than me). So, consequently, we don't go for many walks outside of our property and I hate having to take them to the vet for this reason. My dobes have drug me across my vet's waiting room floor many a time. So embarrassing. Cisar Milan is outstanding-- good grief, how does he manage to have a dog walking on a loose leash in less than 5 minutes??
Ah the wonders of television.....
01-21-2017 01:02 PM
dobie822
Loose leash walking.... what is that??

My 2 dobes have both been through basic obedience training (long ago). I am really tired of being dragged around (I only weigh 100 lbs and my dobes are much stronger than me). So, consequently, we don't go for many walks outside of our property and I hate having to take them to the vet for this reason. My dobes have drug me across my vet's waiting room floor many a time. So embarrassing. Cisar Milan is outstanding-- good grief, how does he manage to have a dog walking on a loose leash in less than 5 minutes??
12-02-2016 02:09 PM
koenig I'm another dreaded e-collar user. But its only used once my dog understands the basics of obedience. The one key of having big powerful dogs of the same sex. Is not letting them correct each other when you are around them. You can stop most "fights" before they begin by knowing their body language. So I have "stop" as a command, it can stop them from chasing small animals and can stop them from getting into a fight.

Due to being rural and walking distance to the US/Canada border. My area despite being mostly very nice homes, does get some smuggling and drug dealing activity. I also used to drive a lot long distance. Rest areas late at night can be "dangerous". Since Canada has gun control, a good defensive hand gun is not an option. So my dogs are also somewhat personnel protection. I was at a rest area very late at night. I had my one girl Rottweiler Bailey with me on leash. A weird guy slowly started approaching me. One vibrate of the e-collar my Bailey not only paid attention, she focused on the guy and became the dog from heck. She kept him away by barking and growling between me and the guy. I wanted this response. I'm not into being a breed ambassador in the middle of nowhere in North Dakota at 2am!

Same dog started running towards the house across the street to their 2 year old kid playing in the front yard. A stop and vibrate got her attention and she stopped dead in her tracks. One come and she came to me.

Training can make people more comfortable with a mean looking dog. It can also make people think twice before they mess with my dogs!

All these incidences happened within a 5 mile radius of my house
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MAJOR DRUG GANG CASES IN ABBOTSFORD

July 2013: Five UN gang members pleaded guilty to conspiracy to murder the Bacon brothers, their archrivals in the drug trade in the Fraser Valley. The accused have been in custody since their arrests in April 2009.

June 2013: 25-year-old Harpreet Chahal, an associate of one of the accused killers of Red Scorpion gangster Jonathan Bacon, was killed in a drive-by shooting at South Fraser Way and Emerson Street in Abbotsford.

February 2012: Police identified the man found dead in an Abbotsford field as 31-year-old Edmonton gangster Jimmy Chau.

February 2012: Notorious gangster Jarrod Bacon and his former father-in-law Wayne Scott were found guilty in B.C. Supreme Court of conspiring to traffic cocaine in 2009.

August 2009: Jessica Amber Illes and Bobby Leroy Digeorgio (linked to the Red Scorpions gang) were killed in Abbotsford.

June 2009: Jaswant (Billy) Rai, 36, was shot to death during a “targeted hit” on rural Spallin Avenue, off Mount Lehman Road in Abbotsford

May 2009: Dilsher Singh Gill, 17, and Joseph Randay, 18, were popular Abbotsford high school students when they were executed.

March 2009: Two young drug dealers working for the Red Scorpions gang were found killed in Abbotsford just nine hours apart — Sean (Smurph) Murphy, 21 and Ryan (Whitey) Richards, 19.

January 2009: Jamie Bacon (Red Scorpions) shot at in his vehicle at a busy Abbotsford intersection.

2006: Jonathan Bacon shot and injured in the driveway of the Bacon family residence in Abbotsford.
Having a cousin in the RCMP for the last 20 years and her husband is a 25 year veteran. You learn things that usually the person who robbed your house knows you in some way. It can be a neighborhood kid who tells a friend stuff about the people in the neighborhood. The associates of kids in your neighborhood are usually the culprits! Id rather the teenagers say oh that guy has bad a$$ trained Rottweiler(s), etc. VS other things that could make me a target.

pictured is my best trained dog thus far. Would you mess with her if she was growling and barking at you? Not likely........... I want at least the appearance of being well trained as that in itself is a huge deterrent.
04-16-2016 07:44 PM
Memphislove This has been a challenge with me too. My boy Memphis pulls non-stop. I've tried the easy walk harness, the gentle leader (he HATED that one), and another no-pull harness but they don't really help stop the pulling. He still tries to pull every time. What I started doing is stopping and standing still when he pulls. I then tell him to heel and he must come back to my right hand side before we continue our walk. It was frustrating at first because we would only get a few steps before he'd pull again. But with consistency and practice he has gotten better. We can now walk around the neighborhood without the constant pulling and only occasional correction. I also carry treats on every walk so I can reward him and also get his attention and maintain it when he starts to get distracted/excited and may pull. I use a martingale collar and have found that as we continue our training he is more aware of the pressure of the collar and he will stay closer to me. His one weakness is squirrels, if he sees one all bets are off, so we are still a work in progress.
09-05-2015 11:18 AM
FlashDragon We got Nero into a Herm Sprenger prong collar right from the start at the near demand of the shelter where we adopted him. So many people are against them because they look absolutely terrifying and I was in that camp until I did the same thing you did (and some research on how they actually work - knowledge is power).

His responses were spot on and it helped immensely for leash work, as he was about a year old when we adopted and had absolutely NO training. Seriously, who gets a Dobie and relies on luck to train a dog??

Now we're doing more off leash work and have transitioned to the much maligned e-collar. Again, he's learning so quickly to respond to low stim and pager functions, it's a pleasure for both of us to train. I don't need to broil him to get his attention unless he's really over excited. Even then, one quick shot a little higher than normal is all it takes.

He still gets distracted by kids and the ever famous "SQUIRREL!!!", but he also has learned to reverse course when I call him, keeping the local 8 year olds and woodchucks from becoming chew toys.
08-24-2015 10:34 PM
BuffysMom
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Town Hall Topic – Loose Leash Walking
  • How did you teach your Doberman to not pull on a leash? Any particular methods did you use?
  • At what age did you start to see any improvements? How often do they need reminders?
  • What type of collar and leash do you use? (prong, harness, flexi, etc)
  • What distractions are the hardest to overcome?
  • Are there any particular situations that you find more difficult to walk in than others? (Large crowds, parks, other dogs around)
I fostered an abused 3 yr old, and she knew nothing!
I used a small show chain and leash up under her neck, and checked her whenever she tried to pass me.
I saw improvement in 3 days in heeling. Never needed a correction after she learned something.
Then she was on a plain poly collar and leash if she couldn't be off-leash.
Which distractions? Probably cars as she was alone on the streets for 3 yrs. But walking everyday she got over it quickly.
Sadly, she passed a couple of Christmases ago, but she loved everybody! My cats would sleep practically ON her in the bed or on the couch, and she raised one of my rescued kittens.

God, I miss her so much. Looking again, but will never replace her. RIP BUFFY
06-17-2014 10:06 AM
kevinjones Loose-leash walking is going to begin as a game.
02-07-2014 12:17 PM
Heathermalia How did you teach your Doberman to not pull on a leash? Any particular methods did you use?

We started off with snapping the leash when Springer pulled. He showed about 50% improvement. We then, not so smart, eased off this method bc we felt it was harsh, and moved to a "stop the walk" method when he pulled. This change I think confused him. We started going to a private trainer (shutzhund trainer who specializes in Rotts, Dobes and GSDs) and they told us to pick up the snap method again. Differences in what we did before vs. trainer recs:
-keep leash short
-keep a "U" in the leash
-walk in a circle and snap as the dog pulls if he doesn't correct
-snap needs to be QUICK

This has really worked well and now Springer keeps a loose leash right at my left side.


At what age did you start to see any improvements? How often do they need reminders?

4 mos. Springer needs reminders when there are distractions present.

What type of collar and leash do you use? (prong, harness, flexi, etc)
Just a flat collar and a nylon leash.

What distractions are the hardest to overcome?

Other dogs! Def. Although he likes people too.

Are there any particular situations that you find more difficult to walk in than others? (Large crowds, parks, other dogs around)[
Springer's favorite place to run off leash... He has the idea he should always be off leash there, that's understandable though
08-07-2012 07:18 PM
Beaumont67 How did you teach your Doberman to not pull on a leash? Any particular methods did you use?
I first put a leash on my dobe at 3 months old, and let her drag it around on the grass behind her for a week...so her leash was not foreign to her.
When I leash-walked Amy (starting with baby steps), I would talk much, with comments like "stay with DadDa"....over and over / talking her into, being by my side.
If she pulled I stopped in my tracks, and the short steps grew into normal steps, and she learned to stay by my side, through voice communication.

At what age did you start to see any improvements? How often do they need reminders?
Roughly 3.5 months...probably took less than one week for Amy to get what i wanted.

What type of collar and leash do you use? (prong, harness, flexi, etc)
- choke chain, but only low level correction
- I pup a choke chain on my 8 week old pup...and if she is biting me or stirring in bed, I put my little finger in the ring (with light tug)...and make a clicker sound, from the chain link friction and noise
- therefore, almost from day1, puppy Amy has been conditioned...to know right from wrong, from the sound of a chain click plus my voice

What distractions are the hardest to overcome?
- fire hydrants and traffic light posts...that dogs had previously marked
- I trained Amy on our dead end road (in front of our house)...no neighbor dogs
- I also trained her to ignore squirrels

Are there any particular situations that you find more difficult to walk in than others? (Large crowds, parks, other dogs around)
- other dogs can be a challenge (in younger years), and I usually avoid much using a sit/stay helps
08-07-2012 06:07 AM
cbearsdobelover how do you get a dobe and two min pins to loose leash together? Another question i have is why do all my dogs stay right by my side in public, but in our neighborhood the only way I can get them to loose leash is tire them out or use treats. This may be a stretch but can they sense that I need them to behave in public and that I really don't mind if they pull me down our street?
08-07-2012 02:57 AM
Matt Vandart You don't need a prong collar.

Anyway:
[youtube=stop your dog pulling]E1fujx6vGC4[/youtube]
07-31-2012 10:06 PM
Wislady I also use a prong on my young Dobe, and she also is my Service Dog In Training. She just turned a year old last week. I have tried walking with flat collar, martingale collars, and a harness with the center ring on the chest strap. I mostly use the prong now, but at times have used a small link fur saver HS.
I use my dog for hearing alerts and balance assist, so I just consider the prong as an accessory to mitigate my balance disorder.
06-20-2012 01:11 PM
Matt Vandart Not meaning to rattle anyones cages, seeing as I just got here but I noticed that people are using prong collars.
Why?
04-18-2012 10:03 AM
Dave_L How did you teach your Doberman to not pull on a leash? Any particular methods did you use?

Lexi has been getting increasingly better at not pulling. I often stop when the lead goes tight and she knows to come back to me, most of the time. In a larger environment I will walk in the opposite direction. On the days when she does not want to listen, I simply will not give her enough line to leave my side, she earns her freedom. She used to pull leaning into the leash with her shoulders but doesn't do that at all any more.

At what age did you start to see any improvements? How often do they need reminders?

Roughly between 5 to 7 months.

What type of collar and leash do you use? (prong, harness, flexi, etc)

Regular collar and leash. Sometimes I bring along the gentle leader.

What distractions are the hardest to overcome?

Other dogs.. She is very playful and LOVES other dogs, this is when she begins to pull rather hard.
Also, sometimes certain people she will stop to stare at, other people she will walk by without a care in the world. Not sure why.

Are there any particular situations that you find more difficult to walk in than others? (Large crowds, parks, other dogs around)

Other dogs, without a doubt. I used to let her go up to say hello to them, and recently I started not allowing it until she shows she can calm down.
04-15-2012 01:48 AM
Lucyred Hello Odin. My private trainer fitted the prong. It needs to be tight up high on the neck and the correction is supposed to be strong and quick and release No nagging. I don't think I would have had the ability to just go buy a prong and use it correctly.
04-15-2012 01:29 AM
Lucyred Hello, I adopted my dobie from rescue four months ago. She was one year old with zero training. She did not know "sit.":-). All kidding aside she pulled like a freight train. She pulled me over and I bloodied my elbow, she pulled over my six foot friend and bloodied her knee. I enrolled her in obedience and began teaching the basics. In the meantime our walks were horrific. She would literally do helicopters in the air as if she a was a toy breed if she saw a dog, cat, or rabbit. I became totally disheartened when she flipped for a bird. I tried all of these training tools, flat collar, choke chain, easy walk harness, gentle leader, and no hands leash. Also clicker training. Initially a new tool would work, but after a short time it would be back to tug of war, or being a tree, or going in the opposite direction. I have completed three obedience classes and the instructors have been happy to see me leave. I am currently taking private lessons and the instructor suggested the prong collar. I have had dobies in the past and have always had the mistaken belief that prongs were evil. I think this training tool is working. For some bizarre reason my dog "gets it" it is as if I had been speaking a foreign language and now I am speaking English. She actually calms and collects herself when wearing the prong. And her skills are carrying over off leash in the yard and house . Distractions are improving. Horses, dogs, birds, and even cats, however those darn rabbits literally have her frothing at the mouth. Any place with rabbits is her hardest environment. Thanks for posting this thread
12-14-2011 09:16 PM
Odin's_Master Very helpful topic! Odin is my adopted 1yr old Dobbie. He was NEVER put on a leash by his previous owner. I have been working on leash training with him. We have only had him for 5 days! So this is all new to him.

Leash training has been hard to do since he has the strength of a full grown Doberman. So far we have only been using a leather collar, He has been getting better at not tugging on the leash, but there is still ALWAYS tension on the leash. Is it time for me to get a choke or prong collar? I really dont want to use one permanently. If you start using one, do you have to continue to use one?
04-27-2011 01:18 PM
beibitoi
  • How did you teach your Doberman to not pull on a leash? Any particular methods did you use?

    My dobe is already turning 4 in august and it is only this summer that I trained him to walk without pulling the leash. Before I started training him, he used to pull me going wherever he wants and barking upon every dog we pass through (he is aggressive towards male dogs). Rewards did not prevent my dobe from pulling. i will probably be flamed in here by using the "popping the leash" method to the extent where the dog will say, "That hurts. I promise I will not do it (pull/bark) again." You can see this method in the leerburg kennel training video.

  • At what age did you start to see any improvements? How often do they need reminders?
    I see improvements the day I used the popping the collar method. Do it consistently for even just a week. You'll see an improvement. There are times when the dog will walk ahead of you. But once you say "no," the dog will immediately go either to your side or behind you.

  • What type of collar and leash do you use? (prong, harness, flexi, etc)

    When training or walking, I use the prong collar. But even if I use the flat collar, he seldom pulls the leash. Even without a leash, as long as he is wearing the prong, he will most of the time walk on my left side.

  • What distractions are the hardest to overcome?

    stray dogs i think.


  • Are there any particular situations that you find more difficult to walk in than others?

    other dogs around.

I admit that the method i used is, in some way, a harsh method. but i took into consideration the fact that for the 3 years of my dobe's life, he was in the habit of pulling and barking towards other dogs. Moreover, if uncorrected, it might in some way, cause injury considering that it is a big dog.
04-25-2011 05:01 PM
Prince_Pride No loosh leash walking here. I use a prong and the dogs are in heel position at all times on walks. Koda can be walked with a flat buckle collar and does not pull. Chance still needs some work with a regular collar but when he has his prong on, he walks like an angel!
04-19-2011 01:37 PM
TJTarnius I got Guinness at eight weeks old, and tired SO many things to try and get him to walk loose leash. Tried the pinch....no success...He didnt even care when he got pinched...at all. Then I went out and bought one of those body harnesses, which has turned out to work great. I used that along with a clicker, and everytime he would start to get ahead of me the harness would turn him toward me and when he would look at me, click treat. Did that for a few weeks and he made great progress. Now I use his regular collar with the clicker still and when he is at my side looking straight ahead I click and place a treat on the ground by my heel. He has been responding really well to this method.

Obstacles: Since I got Guinness in May of last year, he has done most of his growing and learning during the winter which here in MN lasts well...forever. Now that it finally getting sort of nice out he is seeing bikes for the first time....My god...evertime he sees a bike he tries to dart off...same with runners etc. This is now where my challenge lies.
04-16-2011 06:09 PM
GlennJ
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Originally Posted by Kratty View Post
Town Hall Topic – Loose Leash Walking
  • How did you teach your Doberman to not pull on a leash? Any particular methods did you use?
  • At what age did you start to see any improvements? How often do they need reminders?
  • What type of collar and leash do you use? (prong, harness, flexi, etc)
  • What distractions are the hardest to overcome?
  • Are there any particular situations that you find more difficult to walk in than others? (Large crowds, parks, other dogs around)[
Adhara is a year and a half, and we are still struggling with it. She will heel with the anticipation of a treat dangling in my hand at my knee, but she'll go full steam ahead and not even be aware of the fact she is on leash. Just trying to be consistent, and mix things up with focused heeling, learning her release command ( I will give her the release b/c she likes to run ahead and double back for exercise incessantly- but only after I release her). We will mix in some basic command training here and there too. I'll pull in neighborhood kids to help train/reward her too. Then I give her times she gets to be a dog and just sniff around, point out squirrels, etc. So she still pulls, and I don't know when she will break from it.

I use a retractable lead because ultimately I can lock her to my side and because part of my walk is for exercise (our dog park undergoes maintenance and has to close from time to time and we've had so much rain, my backyard is a mud slick). Or, I can let her run up and down a bit to expend energy on the walk. Seems to me that the point is to get her to follow the command and I like to have the flexibility with a retractable.

Barely some improvement after 1 year old, but she is still needing constant reminding. I've tried the stopping in my tracks so that she'd get the hint that no forward progress occurs till I say so, but she's content to wait me out and back to full steam ahead. This has gone on for almost a year.

I've used everything but prongs......Gentle Leader has helped the best, but it's starting to chafe her snout because she rushes ahead so intensely and when she runs out of lead, it rubs her pretty good over time. We have to walk her and there's really not a time it seems when she is not pulling.

Can I say all of them? Mainly squirrels and other dogs and passersby on the sidewalk.

She does well in a crowd...it's the loner on the sidewalk that's a trick. But she loooooooves other dogs and that's her biggest downfall. She thinks they are made to play with her.
04-11-2011 04:50 AM
Freeze3kgt These are my opinions. Everyone has one I am more than willing to read yours as well so please don't take my post the wrong way. Thanks

If you are having issues and have a few extra dollars I would suggest a basic dog training class from a good reputable dog trainer. Not the petsmart/petco type but the kind of people who work with dogs to do agility, schutzhund or something that requires basic obedience. And practice practice practice at least one a day for 15-30 mins dependin on dogs age

I am not a trainer nor do I have a dog that's in any sport at the moment but going to trainers helped me tons and i learned a bit too.

Also I have never tried one but would like to one day, electric training collars with remotes sound like they are perfect for training. You don't have to shock your dog they make vibrating and beeping ones similar to clicker training. I have shocked myself with a sportdog sd400-s series collar and the shock on lowest is not painful in the least more of a tingle. But higher up it really does hurt so don't abuse it or it will mess your dog up


All collars are tools and when used properly are great but when abused or mis handled can injure you pet physically or mentally. So keep that in mind. I think this is why shock collars get such a negative light shed on them
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