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07-30-2020 01:45 PM
ECIN
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Originally Posted by MeadowCat View Post
I could never handle living down there!
Me either !
07-30-2020 01:10 PM
MeadowCat
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We can have 90 degree days in January....
I could never handle living down there!
07-30-2020 12:01 PM
Rosemary We can have 90 degree days in January....
07-30-2020 11:23 AM
MeadowCat
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Both Leo and Lily are very sensitive to heat and humidity. Leo has never been heat tolerant, and overheats easily. Lily went into heat exhaustion once, and has had problems ever since. For that matter I can't handle heat and humidity, and have had heat exhaustion more than once.
It's a really hard balance, and a lot depends on the individual dog - breed, etc. It's really hard for us up here, too, because our summers are short, so we don't have a lot of time for them to slowly adjust to heat and get used to it, either. We basically end up with BAM! It's 90 degrees and trial time.

There are a lot of different techniques everyone comes up with their own dogs. Ultimately, for me, if I think my dog is even approaching an unsafe level, I don't risk her health! It's just a game, after all.
07-30-2020 11:18 AM
Rosemary
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Some people want to keep their dog in air conditioning until they have to go out and work, but that's not good for the dog. The shock of going from A/C into very hot conditions is hard on the system, and not conducive to good work - they can't adjust quickly to working well. My trainer recommends dogs be kept in good condition to be adjusted to being in reasonable heat so they can actually work in the heat. But you have to actually know your dog, know what's safe, know how to keep them reasonably comfortable...there's a lot that goes into working dogs!
Both Leo and Lily are very sensitive to heat and humidity. Leo has never been heat tolerant, and overheats easily. Lily went into heat exhaustion once, and has had problems ever since. For that matter I can't handle heat and humidity, and have had heat exhaustion more than once.
07-30-2020 11:13 AM
Rosemary Heat and humidity definitely affect a dog's ability to search, since they affect what odor does. Also, since a dog thermoregulates by panting when they are hot, they have to choose between panting or sniffing, since they can't do both at the same time.

You can see a little bit of all of that in this video of Leo. She comes out of the house barking at nothing in particular (something she does a LOT). This was the second search we'd run in less than thirty minutes, and while the humidity was actually pretty low for this time of year, it was still hard for me to breath, she really struggled with scenting, and got hung up on drifting/pooling odor. She also switches to focusing more on me than the search, and I have to convince her to get back to work. Eventually, she basically says "Eff you, I quit.".



On the other hand, Lily comes out, and is already scenting when I switch the line from her collar to harness.



Now, that's not to say that Leo never gets right to work, or that Lily never gets distracted, because they do. I'ts just that Leo is more likely to be distracted by "things going on" than Lily, and more likely to quit if she is struggling.
07-30-2020 11:09 AM
MeadowCat
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Thank you very much Rosemary ! I guess what I was asking if it had to do with heat and humidity and that's how I should have asked the question Where I'm headed with this is A/C ! Last weekwe had feel like temps of 100 and above , Dew points one day were 79 ! So I was wondering that if we are making our dogs soft from being in the house with A/C - I'm pretty sure that it affects Kadin lots - when it was hot last week - it was more like winter time here with below zero wind chills = Nobody wanted to go out in it .
These are also important considerations on a couple of levels. You need air movement (wind) in order to have decent search conditions. Stagnant air makes it really difficult to search.

Additionally, when dogs are panting hard, they have a difficult time scenting. They can't take air in when they are simultaneously panting. The hotter it is, the harder it is for a dog to work. Dogs need to be acclimated to working under hot conditions. You also have to be careful to keep your dog safe. There's a fine line.

Some people want to keep their dog in air conditioning until they have to go out and work, but that's not good for the dog. The shock of going from A/C into very hot conditions is hard on the system, and not conducive to good work - they can't adjust quickly to working well. My trainer recommends dogs be kept in good condition to be adjusted to being in reasonable heat so they can actually work in the heat. But you have to actually know your dog, know what's safe, know how to keep them reasonably comfortable...there's a lot that goes into working dogs!
07-30-2020 10:59 AM
Meldrew79 Brandy was environmentally sensitive in that she hated slippery/shiny floors, most bathrooms and loud noises. I hated seeing bathrooms any time we trialed knowing that it could be the one that does us in. Occasionally she'd surprise me, but there were a couple trials where I spent doing more coaxing than searching. Thankfully there was enough that we managed to overcome, because she LOVED the sport so much!
07-30-2020 10:21 AM
ECIN
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It means the dog is easily distracted by the environment, and any changes to it.
Thank you very much Rosemary ! I guess what I was asking if it had to do with heat and humidity and that's how I should have asked the question Where I'm headed with this is A/C ! Last weekwe had feel like temps of 100 and above , Dew points one day were 79 ! So I was wondering that if we are making our dogs soft from being in the house with A/C - I'm pretty sure that it affects Kadin lots - when it was hot last week - it was more like winter time here with below zero wind chills = Nobody wanted to go out in it .
07-30-2020 10:13 AM
Rosemary
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extremely environmentally sensitive ?????????????????????????
It means the dog is easily distracted by the environment, and any changes to it.
07-30-2020 06:18 AM
ECIN extremely environmentally sensitive ?????????????????????????
07-29-2020 01:23 PM
Meldrew79 It's always interesting to see how two different dogs work the same problem. Does Finn have a lot of issues with inaccessible hides? Both of my dogs have liked getting right to source and will spend a lot of time trying to work that out. I've had to really train myself to just call it, if I think it's inaccessible or we waste a lot of time. And I admit that I still don't do a good job with that!
07-29-2020 11:28 AM
scorning It is very interesting to me because my Great Dane Finnegan, who is environmentally sensitive, and sensitive to me in day to day life, is not handler sensitive to me in nosework. We almost never get false alerts because of that, he doesn't care what I look at or where I linger, he just does his thing. His problem is getting comfortable with the environment, not being able to work when its over 70 degrees out, and that he is very slow and methodical. Even with all that he has 2 NW3 titles, although that took 8 NW3 trials to earn, back before there were legs.

My Doberman Adele, who is way more stable all around, is much more handler sensitive in nosework. Its the typical she shows interest, so I show interest, so she shows more interest, then I call alert (incorrectly). She is way more interested in my opinion than Finn is. It doesn't make sense that I keep repeating this pattern as she is not a subtle dog and she finds odor quickly, so I have to keep reminding myself to get in/get out and not linger anywhere.

The other thing that fascinates me about running two dogs at the same level is that Finn is just naturally a dog that needs to be right and wants to be precise. Even when I mark a correct find he ignores me and his treat until he thinks he has sourced the odor. Adele is naturally more inclined to indicate the presence of odor and hopefully ask for a treat before settling down to source. She is also more likely to leave a hard hide to go after an easy one. She has gotten much better at this over the last year, but it has taken a lot of practice. I think her natural style with make her a super fun partner for Elite (which I've never competed in), when we get there. I won't run Finn in Elite if he finishes his NW3 Elite title, he is getting older and I think the search area size and complexity will be too much for him. But I will continue to run him in NACSW element trials, USCSS, and UKC nosework. I really love this sport, its such a great relationship builder with my dogs and the community in the PNW is amazing.
07-29-2020 09:33 AM
ECIN
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Congrats on the leg!

Those pesky blurt alerts! We've all had them!
Oh yeah , them Blurts ! Funny thing is , every time I had one it always evolved working on a piece of farm equipment !
07-29-2020 08:10 AM
Meldrew79 Congrats on the leg!

Those pesky blurt alerts! We've all had them!
07-28-2020 09:18 PM
MeadowCat
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Adele and I managed to squeeze in an NW3 and L3C right before Washington state rolled back gatherings from 50 to 10 people. Overall she killed it, I was super happy with her work, both searching and relaxing in the car while we wait our turn. My other dog is extremely environmentally sensitive and I love how easy she is to travel/trial with.

1) NW3 - she found all the hides, worked like a champ in the heat. I called a hide in a blank room, my fault she didn't actually alert but it just blurted out of my mouth when she showed a little bit of interest on a trash can. I was worried because we had 2 container searches and we have a small problem with distractors and box smashing, but she was amazing and even got a P on one container search! So we got a leg towards our 2nd NW3 title. We are trialing again next month in Oregon which I'm super excited and grateful for.

2) L3C - We had 4 searches, she nailed the last 3 but hit what I'm assuming is a distractor early in the first search, which of course had most of the hides so we didn't get a leg. A bit of a bummer but was totally impressed with how she worked all weekend, two days of traveling/trialing in the heat we've had is asking a lot.
Way to go! I totally know that "blurt"...just did it last weekend!
07-28-2020 07:30 PM
scorning Adele and I managed to squeeze in an NW3 and L3C right before Washington state rolled back gatherings from 50 to 10 people. Overall she killed it, I was super happy with her work, both searching and relaxing in the car while we wait our turn. My other dog is extremely environmentally sensitive and I love how easy she is to travel/trial with.

1) NW3 - she found all the hides, worked like a champ in the heat. I called a hide in a blank room, my fault she didn't actually alert but it just blurted out of my mouth when she showed a little bit of interest on a trash can. I was worried because we had 2 container searches and we have a small problem with distractors and box smashing, but she was amazing and even got a P on one container search! So we got a leg towards our 2nd NW3 title. We are trialing again next month in Oregon which I'm super excited and grateful for.

2) L3C - We had 4 searches, she nailed the last 3 but hit what I'm assuming is a distractor early in the first search, which of course had most of the hides so we didn't get a leg. A bit of a bummer but was totally impressed with how she worked all weekend, two days of traveling/trialing in the heat we've had is asking a lot.
07-28-2020 10:36 AM
Rosemary
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That was a Great explanation 79 ! And your take away was excellent !

Back when we were racing - we had a crew talk - Where did we fall short at a race or over several races . What did we do right and what do we need to improve on .

I will almost bet that you will learn a ton from watching the video's - they are great teaching tools

Love your attuited and you and Newt will go far !
The video camera is probably THE most important training tool there is. Pretty much every nosework training session we do has a least one video camera (stationary or GoPro), and frequently two (stationary and GoPro).
07-28-2020 09:49 AM
ECIN That was a Great explanation 79 ! And your take away was excellent !

Back when we were racing - we had a crew talk - Where did we fall short at a race or over several races . What did we do right and what do we need to improve on .

I will almost bet that you will learn a ton from watching the video's - they are great teaching tools

Love your attuited and you and Newt will go far !
07-28-2020 09:27 AM
Meldrew79
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Funny...we ALSO got that threshold hide immediately. Sypha never does!
It must have been blowing odor in just the right way if the Dobes got it! LOL

For me the take away is more of a feeling honestly. I could get down on myself and Newtie for missing the container search, but there was a lot of good too. (That said, I can't wait to get the video of that search. I really want to see if I can figure out what happened or if he was just off!). We got a lot of positive feedback from both judges. The mentioned Newtie's COB (change of behavior) quite a few times and complimented me on my work with the long line. Those things go a long way, at least for me. It helps me to know what to look for and feel good about our training!
07-28-2020 08:54 AM
ECIN I took some really good stuff away from this trial and am ready for the next one in a couple weeks

79 !!!!!!!!!! Don't leave us that don't know diddle about Nose Work - so what was the take away ? Your going to have to do better in your Instructor class on here
07-28-2020 08:17 AM
MeadowCat
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Good Morning! Newtie and I also had good trial, although we did miss an element. I'm not sure what happened, but he decided playing with containers was more fun than searching them and we got two no's! I was kind of dumbfounded. My dog's are normally pretty solid on containers! They sure do like to keep us humble!
The rest of the trial went great! We even got the threshold in the one exterior search right away which is usually an issue for him. MC and I were even talking about it earlier that day! I wouldn't have noticed, but the judge made a nice compliment about it on our score sheet. I took some really good stuff away from this trial and am ready for the next one in a couple weeks. It felt awesome to be back out there!
Funny...we ALSO got that threshold hide immediately. Sypha never does!
07-28-2020 07:38 AM
Meldrew79 Good Morning! Newtie and I also had good trial, although we did miss an element. I'm not sure what happened, but he decided playing with containers was more fun than searching them and we got two no's! I was kind of dumbfounded. My dog's are normally pretty solid on containers! They sure do like to keep us humble!
The rest of the trial went great! We even got the threshold in the one exterior search right away which is usually an issue for him. MC and I were even talking about it earlier that day! I wouldn't have noticed, but the judge made a nice compliment about it on our score sheet. I took some really good stuff away from this trial and am ready for the next one in a couple weeks. It felt awesome to be back out there!
07-26-2020 11:10 AM
ECIN
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Yes, she and Newtie were there!
Well come on 79 ! Gets get up out of bed

we want to hear how Team Newtie did !
07-26-2020 11:05 AM
MeadowCat
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I wish I lived closer to you and 79 - I would turn EG over to do nose work - That little pup is nose to the ground , working since we got her . So happy for you all and in the conditions you were in !

BTW -Was 79 there ? Or did she stay at home in the A/C
Yes, she and Newtie were there!
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