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10-31-2019 01:53 PM
Fitzmar Dobermans We are big advocates of buying from responsible breeders on this forum, rescues are great - if they are a true rescue from a shelter or good breed rescue group. In a lot of cases, people are looking in all the wrong places to find a puppy. Let us know a little about yourself and what you are looking for .... and where you are located.
10-31-2019 09:55 AM
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WOW OH WOW i stopped reading after a few pages. this back and forth is a complete mind F***! First thing I want to state is that I love the Doberman breed and I want to purchase another one after both of mine died due to cancer. One at 8 and the other at 11yrs. It was hard to get over their lose especially the second one, but my family and I are starting to warm up to the idea of getting another one. I jumped online to search where i might find one. I wasn't expecting this! My impression of what i've read so far is that there are some less than scrupulous breeders that are more concerned with making money than worried about the dog's health, longevity, and happiness. Some on this site have referred to them as "greeders" my question to them is sincere. Are there any breeders that you would recommend buying from or is it just the thought of purchasing from a breeder as opposed to purchasing from a shelter that bothers you? It's an honest question. Unfortunately, if the answer is the latter that just makes it difficult to find the **** storm you've all posted unbiased and in my opinion questionable. if however, your issues are with specific breeders I would love to hear some recommendations OTHER than getting one from a shelter. If you ask why don't I want one from a shelter or are hostile in your response your credibility and intent is further questioned in my mind. Again my question is sincere and I ask it because I don't like that thought of being manipulated one way or the other so I question peoples' motives. By all means if you suggest a reputable breeder I will take all your criticism of HOH and other breeders you guys have disparaged to heart, but just knowing there's huge campaign against over breeding, pet abandonment which leads to shelter overcrowding and euthanization it gives me pause when I hear or read such passionate sentiments. I'll be glad to have a different conversation about breeder vs shelter perhaps in another thread which im sure there are many on the subject.
Perhaps you need to spend a little more time reading this forum...a lot of us have dogs from breeders. In fact, though I've had a rescue dog (and adored him), I'm honestly not sure I'd own another rescue in the future. There's nothing wrong with people rescuing from ethical rescues, but I prefer buying from an ethical breeder who is breeding for health, longevity, and temperament. The difference in my current two dogs from my first dog (backyard bred), and my rescue dog (backyard bred) is night and day. I will continue choosing to buy from the type of breeder who will produce the type of dog I want - a dog that is predictable in temperament (and has the correct temperament), a dog that is more likely to be healthy and live a long life, and a breeder that will be there for me and support me. That's what you get when you buy from the types of breeders we recommend on this forum.
10-31-2019 07:39 AM
greenkouki There are hundreds of threads here on DT where we have helped people find reputable breeders. This is a doberman forum, not a rescue forum, and we understand that sometimes a well bred doberman is what folks are looking for. If you post a new thread with your location and what you're looking for I'm sure you will get helpful responses...

The passionate responses are coming from folks who care about the BREED and do not want to see it continue to be ruined by breeders like HOH, Kimbertal, and back yard breeders.
10-30-2019 06:14 PM
fastestflash WOW OH WOW i stopped reading after a few pages. this back and forth is a complete mind F***! First thing I want to state is that I love the Doberman breed and I want to purchase another one after both of mine died due to cancer. One at 8 and the other at 11yrs. It was hard to get over their lose especially the second one, but my family and I are starting to warm up to the idea of getting another one. I jumped online to search where i might find one. I wasn't expecting this! My impression of what i've read so far is that there are some less than scrupulous breeders that are more concerned with making money than worried about the dog's health, longevity, and happiness. Some on this site have referred to them as "greeders" my question to them is sincere. Are there any breeders that you would recommend buying from or is it just the thought of purchasing from a breeder as opposed to purchasing from a shelter that bothers you? It's an honest question. Unfortunately, if the answer is the latter that just makes it difficult to find the **** storm you've all posted unbiased and in my opinion questionable. if however, your issues are with specific breeders I would love to hear some recommendations OTHER than getting one from a shelter. If you ask why don't I want one from a shelter or are hostile in your response your credibility and intent is further questioned in my mind. Again my question is sincere and I ask it because I don't like that thought of being manipulated one way or the other so I question peoples' motives. By all means if you suggest a reputable breeder I will take all your criticism of HOH and other breeders you guys have disparaged to heart, but just knowing there's huge campaign against over breeding, pet abandonment which leads to shelter overcrowding and euthanization it gives me pause when I hear or read such passionate sentiments. I'll be glad to have a different conversation about breeder vs shelter perhaps in another thread which im sure there are many on the subject.
01-04-2014 02:34 AM
LindaH Had to post this here, too.

*Just thought the irony of this post was mind numbing...*


http *dobedad***Post subject:**I now think differentlyPost
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*Posts:**189Stitch and I were shopping at Stockdales. A guy came up and wanted to meet Stitch and told me he just had a litter of Dobermans and had the pictures. Ten (that's 10) black and tan angels. We exchanged FB info and went our separate ways. I texted the rescue lady thrilled over the puppies. This is how the return phone call went, minus the cursing and raised voice. "I know these people, they sell their dogs for $400 dollars and sell to anyone with the money. You need to get through fostering that little girl and get ready for fostering more than 1 at a time." She then named several Dobes that I knew and said these people were responsible for them. Then I thought "I don't know anyone without a Dobe that I would trust with a Dobe." So how many of these angels will actually be placed successfully? Being hooked on HOH, has insulated me from realizing what is going on in the world. The ones I foster are singles, with no hurry on teaching people ain't so bad. I love the breed so much I have the mindset of a shortage, this is not the case, unfortunately. I like Barry a bit more now.




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*Magic Mare***Post subject:**Re: I now think differentlyPost
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*Location:**Phoenix, AzWhat an eye opener! I too believed Dobes are not a common find. HOH has been my only dobe ownership experience.

I do know that no Hoytt kid need ever be dumped. They always have a home to return to. It's not an empty claim. In one instance, Barrie flew cross country to MN to find one of his kids after the owner died. It wasn't an easy hunt. The suddenly homeless boy had been passed around before Barrie found him in 'someone's' back yard (MN is cold) and brought him home.

If you meet the bargain breeder again, I wonder how he would react to being confronted about his glut of 'product' landing in rescue? One would hope he'd be open to reason, but he lacks conscience.
Pedaling puppies around town is abhorrent, but it's even worse when it's happening with such a vulnerable breed. It's a likely sentence of doom for many of these sensitive dogs.

I certainly understand budget, but people who shop quick bargain price over breeders quality automatically put the actual dog itself on the back burner from the onset. Especially if the only question on the buyer's application is, "Got cash?"

Hope you include us if more of the story unfolds.

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*Posted:**Mon Dec 16, 2013

Please keep us updated on the fostering. It is so heartbreaking to know about the surplus of all dogs- mainly due to irresponsible breeding. And a tremendous amount of problem is due to the attitude of a huge number of people who view dogs of all kind as disposable, convenience playthings to be discarded at whim; instead of the precious creatures of God that they are. I wish the laws on abandonment and abuse were much tougher than they are. I wish that it was a privilege to own an animal and that appropriate qualifications (including the ability to house and care for correctly) were mandatory. I applaud responsible breeders like HOH and wish that they were all like him. Until that day arrives I can only do my part and also ensure that my loved one gets the best of whatever I can provide.




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01-01-2014 10:12 AM
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im not saying any more than contribution of swabs, and the fact that he has an unbroken genetic line going back for generations ,, oh and plenty of dogs living over the age of 10 which would be the upper end for age when DCM could manifest itself in a Doberman. Yes ,believe it or not an unbroken genetic line can come in very handy when your studying umm Genetics.

educate me on this disproportionate number of euthanized dogs for temperament ?? you must have 100's of examples at hand ??
here do you get this information, Valentine? I was catching up on recent threads that I didn't get a chance to read the last few days.

Geeze! First of all an unbroken genetic line going back for generations doesn't really impress me when that unbroken line was not actually bred for excellence in three areas--health, temperament and conformation.

Did you really think that a dog who lived to 10 without showing signs of DCM was free of it? That they had skated? Not the case--dilated cardio myopathy can show up at any age--young or old. 10 years doesn't mean a "get out of jail free card"

And let me catch you up to date on the human findings on DCM--as of December 2013 they have isolated 25 genes/gene groups that affect the possible occurrence of DCM in humans.

Geneticists have known/believed for many years that DCM (both in dogs and humans) is the product of a polygenetic problem--not just a response to a single gene.

I don't have any sort of a problem with you liking your particular Hoytt dog but I do have a problem with the fanciful thinking you indulge in while trying to convince other people that Barry Hoytt was or is a "good" breeder with high class dogs.
12-31-2013 10:15 PM
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LOL, it's the first link Barrie has on his homepage index--BoDT.

Real professional
Oh lordy!! I have to say if I knew nothing about this board and happened to click on that link (whether the posts were right or wrong) I would RUN from any breeder linking to that link! Speaks volumes about the lack of professionalism.
12-31-2013 12:54 PM
VZ-Doberman Kind of hard to defame somebody with the truth.
12-31-2013 12:49 PM
Rosemary Florin is quoted there, I see. That one's whackadoodle, from what I've heard of him.

It's amazing how many of them are "annonymous".

By the way, have the summons ever arrived for that lawsuit that is mentioned?
12-31-2013 12:41 PM
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Got through about 2 paragraphs of that wall of text before you were banned.


LOL, it's the first link Barrie has on his homepage index--BoDT.

Real professional



12-31-2013 12:21 PM
jywel417
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naughty naughty ... are you portraying yourself as a vet ?? which clinic is ' yours ' again ??
I have been with Oak Ridge Veterinary Hospital for 14 years...... What would I gain from lying on a board like this??


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12-31-2013 11:59 AM
VZ-Doberman Valentiny, you will always have a home at BODT. They are notorious for being byb, greeders and clueless. You will fit right in.
12-31-2013 11:27 AM
greenkouki Got through about 2 paragraphs of that wall of text before you were banned.
12-31-2013 11:13 AM
LindaH "although i did not like LindaH's lightly veiled condesending tone with the use of the word ' dearie ' and the some what threatening ' time will tell ' but as lindaH so rightly put it about 6 year old dogs and i thought you should take note due to the are of yours.

LindaH
I love how these greeder promoters always exclaim their dogs are healthy at only a few years of age. Time will tell, dearie, time will tell! And I do hope you have a dog whose health stays good as I would never wish bad health on any dog, but proclaiming good health at six, seven or under is premature at best."

You seem to be forgetting the HUGE difference between you and me. I'm not the one bragging about the good health of a House of Hoytt doberman, you are...remember, dearie.

I'm smart enough to know that no line is DCM free, unlike you bragging about Hoytt dogs being DCM free and how they were instrumental in Dr Meurs DCM research leading to the discovery of one gene linked to DCM. Oh, Parker was in that study, too.

Your ignorance is really quiet amusing!
12-31-2013 11:09 AM
churchill Thank you so much again Valentine. I am so glad to read how much the truth being exposed about all of those greeders hurts their bottom line. DT is succeeding in educating the public and discouraging them from buying from these scumbuckets.

These people do not health test and they don't title their dogs, that is FACT! They breed for the profit only and cannot claim slander because it's the truth. The ones that aren't anonymous read like the who's who of dirtbag greeders in the Doberman breed. Just keep digging the hole deeper. :-)
12-31-2013 11:05 AM
Rosemary

Aww.. You found the group of greeders and BYBs who don't like having the truth told about them. You will probably fit right in.
12-31-2013 10:32 AM
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I want to commend you Valentine. This thread has now gotten over 14,000 views. You have guaranteed that when someone googles HOH they will find this thread and read all of the true negative comments and experiences with them. Thanks for that. I'm sure Barrie is just thrilled with you.
14000 viewers should take the time to read this


Darlene Smith - Dars Dobermans
my name came up on their sight by someone looking to buy a doberman pup from me. boy did i get bashed by people who never met me, never saw my dogs, never heard of me. knew nothing of me. yet claimed they did. dobermantalk is well known for bad mouthing everyone. most say just stay away from that sight. its a nasty joke. now that i know who is behind this sight. yes, we won't be spending any money there way.

Wendy G. Moss - Doberman Rescue Alliance Inc.
Those who bash all breeders have lost sight of the fact that if breeders don't exist our chosen breeds become extinct. I dislike bad breeding practices as much as the next guy, but all breeders are not bad.

Anne Grimm - Kimbertal Kennels The dobermantalk forum is definitely a tight little clique and not for the faint of heart. In our long 80+ page "discussion" people threatened to follow me home and get to my kids so they know "what I do"??? They threatened to come in black and tan KKK robes and walk around the parking lot and kennels every Saturday. They also sent PMs to each other with info on me and then made vague comments about it on line without ever saying what info they were giving out. If they can not justify their hearsay they try and intimidate those who do not agree or ban you. There are other forums with more open minds and a much healthier atmosphere.

WilsonsMom - Doberman Talk can best be described as a casting call for the movie "Best in Show". As someone new to dobermans, I initially found the site when conducting due diligence on Steve Parsons / Family Dobes prior to purchasing my puppy. Initially, I was absolutely horrified at the things I read and to be completely honest, I almost cancelled the sale. But something just didn't sit right with me. I have had conversations with Steve Parsons over the past few years and could not believe that my own impression of him could be so far off base. Then I dug a little deeper and read all the posts written by the DT users most critical of him and it became readily apparent that these were ignorant people who had nothing nice to say about anyone other than a chosen few who could do no wrong. The majority of their criticisms were in direct contradiction of what I knew of Steve and his breeding program so I decided to follow my gut and purchased my little guy from Family Dobes anyway and I thank God every day that I did. Steve Parsons has exceeded every expectation I could ever have. He has held my hand, been an invaluable resource on every level and has always been available for every rookie question I have ever asked of him and this magnificent pup he blessed me with is the joy of my life.

Having had sufficient direct experience with Steve to state with certainty that the DT posts were wholly untrue, I reported several of the posts that, as an attorney, I believed were clearly defamatory and obviously violated DT's terms of use and "Manifesto". Absolutely no action was taken. I contacted the administrator and asked her under what circumstances violative posts would be removed and under whose discretion such decisions were made. I received no response. I left messages at VeticalScopes corporate office requesting a discussion with their general counsel. Again, no response. But when I made a post defending Steve, I was told I was not welcome on the site and when I made a post asking if one of their beloved breeders was disclosing that she had cryptorchidism in her bloodlines, I was banned. Anyone seeking to verify any of this may review my posts on DT under the user name "Wilsonsmom".
In addition, I have seen moderators post a user's private email address and name and instructing all breeders not to sell this person a dog when such user called them out for being idiots. I am preparing a form letter that anyone can sign and send to the management of the DT site expressing their outrage of the forum's content and behaviour of the administrator. Please private message me for a copy if interested.


Coffee drinker with sticky keyboard (HBWright Moderator at Dobermantalk) Reading DT made me spit coffee all over my keyboard and I want VerticalScope to replace it for me. I rely on my keyboard to make a living and now the keys keep sticking, dramaticaly cutting down my paycheck. My dog also has something sticky on her back and I wonder if it might be coffee too. I think they should also cover the cost of having my dog professionally groomed and throw in a free nail clipping for good measure.

Case in Point So we can thank the DT super moderator Mrs. Wright for the silly coffee post: https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...tml#post891039


Keith - Idlewild Doberman Kennel My kennel has been savaged by these ill-mannered people for two years now. I'm talking publicly savaged across the world wide web even in Europe. It was so bad a year ago I considered closing my kennel website and even thought of just closing shop. No telling how many people know me only from these public slams on the internet. I have a lot of money and time invested in my kennel and I am being ripped apart personally by name in every search engine out there every day. And these filthy attacks are being perpetuated by people who hide their real identity behind chat room names with no personal information nor any titling championships with nothing to lose. This is the day to day routine at dobermantalk with the webmaster, administrator and the moderators grinning ear to ear - They enjoy bashing breeders!
I only found out about this "Beware" website last week and I am so happy to see it in operation. But before I found this "Beware" website I had been doing my own investigating of these so called dobermantalk forum folk's and here's what I've found: Dobermantalk.com is owned by an ad agency whose real agenda is to sell ads and sell merchandising. This is why they push those cups, t-shirts, hats and anything else they can sell. This dobermantalk website is really more of a store front for the ad agency while the people on the Dobermantalk forum are not noteworthy dog people at all. Point in fact - there is not one major Doberman kennel anywhere who supports or stands by the dobermantalk forum. Apparently they have hired web specialists to get their name brand in on all search engines connecting to the Doberman Pinscher Industry and they have hired researchers to fill their web pages with Doberman topics and information as if they are an authority on any of it and they are not. There is nothing in their web pages that I haven't already seen in other places. Looks to me like they may even borrow their information word for word on certain pages. Any industry professional in any industry knows you never allow hateful talk to be spewed from your company into public settings. And BTW, Google is a public setting.

To sit back and allow this garbage talk to become attached to Google and Yahoo search listings daily, well you know there has to be a real management problem and a moderator problem goes without saying - but there are REAL people being hurt and also their livelihoods! The one time I went on to this forum to please ask that they delete the mistruths they had splattered all over several search engines about my kennel not health testing, two or three forum beasties ganged up on me ripping my kennel because they disliked my Dobermans. In fact the moderator even joined in and said I did not belong there and I should give Altobello Kennel his sugar. That remark felt pretty creepy, I don't know exactly what it meant,probably stick it, but I knew it was time for me to go with nothing accomplished. Also you may have noticed that to dobermantalk everybody they decide to dislike is a puppy mill. So puppy mill must be their race card, and I find that weak and pathetic.

Dobermantalk.com has indeed shown itself to be a dark and negative force here in our midst, a cancer for our entire Doberman Pinscher industry. I believe this "Beware" website will continue to grow and I hope one of these victims or maybe even all of us together can one day just shut them up or shut them down! The place is unblievable, if you doubt any word in this post, go and look for yourself.

Michaelene - A number of years ago when I first got on the internet I signed up with DT. thinking I would find useful info. That was a joke. I found so much bashing of other people. then last year someone emailed me and said that my website was being bashed by DT. I went up and was appalled at what I read. People that did not know me, did not know my dogs or the testing I have done with my dogs.They were trashing them just because they were different than there's. They had much misinformation and when I tried to give them scientific facts they rejected them. Calling me a greeder and one even said she wished she could bash my head in and bury me. There were many more comments as well. when I did some research on another breeder a few months back I found bashing of this breeder because she bred the solid Black. And in looking I have seen some bashing on breeders that breed showlines and have some top dogs. Just because a person does not like something should be no reason to bash them. Learn the facts. Stay up to date with current research on the Creams, Blacks and any other color that might crop up. Evolution and breeding can and does make many changes in the breed. I have been breeding for 40+ years. And have some wonderful dogs and lines. I breed for Therapy, companion, and protection dogs. And our puppy buyers love there dogs. It is sad when a site will let things like what goes on, on DT to continue. I will no longer buy from anything from anyone associated with this site.

Anonymous - Myself, my dogs, my site, and my kennel were all brutalized by members of DT, including the moderator. My experience with DT is that these members are vicious and seek to destroy anyone who disagrees with their point of view. To disagree with this small clique you are heckled, defamed and then banned. These people need to be held accountable for the damages they create and the reputations they seek to ruin. They will research you and defame you any chance they get. I do not know of any one big kennel they have not attacked. Do a google search with a big doberman kennel name and then Dobermantalk and you will see what I mean. I think the US Dept of Justice needs to get involved and investigate this outfit and bring to justice these individuals that are setting out to destroy people, their reputations and livelihood. I believe only they have the resources to do it. These people really need to be stopped! with held I am horrified at the introduction that most new members with pups who joing DT looking for support are ridiculed and judged an idiot for supporting a BYB because they did not buy from one of the DT Rubber stamped breeders.

Bonny S. HERE! HERE! Good luck - and I hope this works! I am so tired of the "toxic" dumps called pet forums. It's not just the Doberman breed - it's all the breeds. You have a bunch of trolls that sit at their little computers and spew hate and dissent like they are sitting on their little Thrones! They are internet bullies - belittling anyone and everyone that is not part of their little clicks. They give no good information - only their version of the TRUTH of ANY breed! If you don't fit into their pigeon hole of what "they" think a breeder should be or do - look out. I was thrown off of several forums - including one on yahoo - for sticking up for Kimbertal Kennels and a few others. I was told the same thing by the moderator - "it was educating the public". These nasty little forums have taken "free speech" to a new low.
Having shown and bred dogs for many years - I can tell you where this comes from, it's those little jerks in the show ring that don't have a pot to piss in, that stand there each weekend and watch those that they hate take the points that they feel their crap dogs deserve...they envy those that have put in the hard work and money to accomplish something in the breed for decades! The ONLY thing they have that they can use - is their form of lies!
I am thrilled that someone is standing up to these Gestapo tactics!

Anonymous I am a hobby breeder. I show my dogs conformation and breed very infrequently. My dogs are not albinos nor do they have any WZ in any of the lines. My dogs are ALL health tested and handled by prof. handlers. I find the people on dobermantalk offensive. Albeit they are passionate about the doberman breed, they do not have the right to slander others in the fashion that they have in the past and have evidently done up until present. I was a member of DT years ago and will never post on their site again. It is a shame that they treat others with such disrepect. Anyone buying a pup from a breeder needs to evaluate the breeder in person and make up their own mind. Require references from the breeder from previous customers, make sure the facility is clean, puppies are well taken care of, willing to take puppies back if owner cannot keep, and stand behind what they put on the ground. Take what dobermantalk says with a grain of salt. The forum was designed to help people learn more about the breed. It's unfortunately turned into a "My way or the highway" attitude among certain members.

April Ward - I am not even sure where to start about Doberman talk! I take great pride in my dogs and my breeding program. I do everything I can to test for disease. prove the worthiness of my dogs for breeding- we compete in AKC Obed, Rally, Agility, and we are involved in Schutzhund and tracking. I have European dogs so AKC championships are not in our cards but we will be showing in the seiger shows to pursue that as well. We test for cardio, thyroid, CERF eye exams, hips, brucellosis and I also do full blodd panels on ALL of my dogs. My point in writing this isn't to sell my dogs, I already have a waiting list for my puppies. My point is the DT people still decided I was a worthless breeder, uneducated and had no business breeding. They tried to rip apart my dogs and the stud I am using for my next litter. Saying that the only reason I was using that dog was because I owned him, the funny thing is on my website it states who the owner of the dog is. They will try anything to make anyone out of their circle look bad. And they will through out half-truths, and straight out lies to make their "point". Please do your own research and look for what is important to you about the breeder you choose I wish I had the time to tear apart their breeding lines, but I spend my time with my dogs, not my computer.

Andrea It is an absolute shame that Dobermantalk, which expresses itself as an educational site for doberman enthusiasts, actually trolls the internet for breeders and then bashes them online. I have even been told that breeders have received phone calls from members of dobermantalk, calling to inquire if they have puppies, and then reporting it back on the forum. If that aint trolling, I dont know what is! If you post a question that they dont like, they start an arguement, post those retarded smilies making fun of the poster, or refer to them as trouble makers. I find no "education" in criticizing a breeder because they dont follow certain regimens established by the idiots on dobermantalk.com.
I give many kudos to the person who created THIS website.

Just goes to show how horribly they effect the breeders they slander. You need to post to help stop it. Remember... once they slander you as a breeder, it is on the internet and it's there forever! You cant get it off! Uneducated prospective puppy people see what they write, well you can say bye-bye to that puppy person. If you are a puppy person, looking to buy a puppy, please take what the idiots on dobermantalk say with a huge grain of salt! Check out the other forums to ask your questions. By all means, I am not saying there arent horrible, unethical breeders out there... but they make EVERY breeder to look that way. Furthermore, I hope the advertisers or sponsors of that DT forum step up and do the right thing and support the OTHER doberman forums on the internet. The ones that promote positive doberman ownership!

I am just as passionate about the doberman breed as the next person, if not more. But I dont judge, criticize, belittle, bash, or slander someone just because their opinion may differ from mine. I am not a breeder, but I will certainly stick up for the breeders I believe in! Including the ones I bought my dobermans from. I am just as passionate about the doberman breed as the next person, if not more. But I dont judge, criticize, belittle, bash, or slander someone just because their opinion may differ from mine. I am not a breeder, but I will certainly stick up for the breeders I believe in! Including the ones I bought my dobermans from.

No Name - I too am a breeder and agree with all thats been said about DT , I'm still on there because I m scared my kennel or name will get brought up by these ding bats that dont know me at all..I am waiting to defend myself. If they like you its only for wile . I have always put at the bottem of my post (IMHO) because thats what it is ! But they dont see it that way. I know I would never sell a pup to anyone that is on there because all that will get you is problems later.
I show and test/ breed on a VERY small scale but yet they push breeders that are breeding 4/5/6 litters a year ? and they dont even know it! double standerds forsure. STAY away from DT .its bad news!
JMHO LOL

Anonymous These people are vicious, they live to seek and destroy your reputation if you disagree with them and their little clique and especially if you are a breeder! They are ruthless to breeders! You're right, from the Administrator to the Moderator, they need to go! Good luck, I hope this finally works, this has been going on for way to long, glad someone is taking them on, this could be a decent place with the right people.

Marie - I have two comments.
First, I posted on DT years ago and am very knowledgeable about genetics. The moderators ripped me apart and said I was ignorant although none of them posted what degrees they have. I switched to Dobermanhub and doberman-chat. Both are preferable.
Two, I had an email forwarded to me from a large kennel with information on a class action lawsuit against DT and the posters who constantly defame everyone. Does anyone have more information on it? I do not breed so I did not keep it. I will be writing to the advertisers on DT. Some negative letters will shake their tree.

Dobie lover in PA. When I first joined DT,everyone was very helpful.We had a total differant community to what it is now.Then new members came onto the board,and basicly ruined a good forum.Everything was a heated debate/bashing waiting to happen.It got to the point I no longer enjoyed the forum,and found it much less informative-because I had to weed through the negative postings to get any info I requested.(if the threads weren't closed first).
I strongly reccommend finding an alternate doberman forum community,for your dobermann board needs.

Anonymous - I can't count how many times I've been ridiculed and libeled on these boards. Repeated requests to the point of begging to remove posts have gone ignored by admin and moderators. They have actually come back with snide remarks, like they enjoy seeing people hurt! I have personally seen Moderators side with the bashers with absolutely no concern for the hurt party. I title and test but still to no avail for these malicious people on DT. It's very sad to see what they do to breeders who have been doing this for a long time and are only out to better the breed. It's like they have nothing better to do than hurt others while trying to make themselves look good, I guess it makes them feel better about themselves. I wish we could get a class action suit against these offenders.

Walter Falk - Not at all impressed with this talk website... Dobermantalk is a disgrace to the Doberman Pinscher breed.

Brook A BIG part of the problem is the idiot moderators they have. They like to stir the pot and dont stop the **** before it starts flying! They delete or edit posts for those they are friends with, but damaging posts are left. Worst forum I've ever been on!

Theresa I went on dobermantalk when my husband and I were considering a puppy. Those people called me ignorant and said we had no business getting a doberman. I had researched the breed for months. We had German Shepherds for 15 years and we were looking into getting our 1st dobe. We ended up going to the Doberman-Chat site where everyone was very nice. Dobermantalk members are nasty and belligerent towards those who ask what they consider "stupid" questions. I personally would not recommend the site. I found no usefulness out of being a member. I was also shocked to see how catty they were towards other breeders and amongst themselves. Not my type of forum. I felt like I was in HighSchool and didnt fit into their "click".

No Name This persons comment is valid. The majority of users on DT are genuinely nice people who share a common love of our breed. The problem is that many people go on to the site to research a particular breeder and are immediately attacked by the same group of users and the moderators/administrator do not enforce the terms of use/manifesto to these repeat offenders despite how defamatory/inappropriate their posts are. When someone tries to defend a breeder (or themselves), they are usually banned or at a minimum, attacked. I think this site is a result of the frustration with the biased moderators and administrator who clearly promote their own agenda as opposed to maintaining a level of decorum on DT which would allow it to be a reliable source of information. There are certainly breeders out there that deserve to be criticized but there are a group of DT users who portray any breeder they don't like as BYB, crook or puppy mill. They defame them horribly and no action is taken against them. If DT would simply enforce their own rules evenly to ALL users and not just the ones the mods/administrator disagree with, there wouldn't be a need for this site.

R. Wessels I spent several months on this forum, and got support from people I thought were "friends" when my puppies were ill. When things went bad & one of my puppies died, I again had their support, or so I thought. then i posted something they didn't like & boy did they turn on me! I was told I "deserved" going through parvo with both of my dogs because I goit them from a BYB before I knew better. It'd been 16 years since my last dog 'purchase' so i had no idea about the BYB issue! They said I was going to start a breeding program because my husband got our family a new puppy shortly after one passed away (because her sister -and myself- were suffering severely from depression). ALL because they didn't know who I was buying from, so therefore I was again buying from a BYB with no morals. THEIR OPINION! My breeder has been great, my pup is now more than 2 & we still keep in touch. Someone they bashed. But then, they bashed my pup because she had Hoytt lines. All oof my dogs are fixed, so it'd be pretty hard to become a BYB as they suggested I was trying to do! The hardest part of the situation was seeing people who had seemed to care while you went through one of the worst experiences of my life turn on me in a flash because they didn't like the breeder of our new pup & then bring up all this pain we'd gone through the prior 7 months and use it against you. They like to hear themselves talk, and they believe they are so FAR superior to anyone not in their clique. I've had 23 years experience with the breed & I did learn a lot on the forums...but the grief I went through when things went bad were so not worth it! There are other , much more friendly & REALISTIC forums for average owners who love their dogs, the Doberman breed, and want nothing but the best for their PETS. Rather than catering to elitist SHOWPERSONS.

A Disgusted DT Member - DT has moderators who are breeders that also bash breeders on their forum who are not in their group.

If the moderators and administrators don't agree with your opinion they'll lock down the thread. They have even demanded posts be deleted when members have no access to delete anything. They are viscious, biased and do great harm to not only breeders, but to individuals with whom they don't agree.

It is inappropriate and unprofessional to bash people and animals, but they do it well and often. Julie I have to admit I did feel somewhat personally "attacked" when asking rookie questions on the forum. I went to the forum looking for experienced owners / breeders opinions and advice... What I got instead, it would seem... was people who seem to think that doberman rookies shouldnt even be on there asking questions... I feel very out of place not being a breeder or doberman expert... which to me, defeats the purpose of the forum.

Anonymous - The fact there is now an 11 page thread about beware of DobermanTalk with ridicoulous photos shows the true maturity level of most the members there. Someone posted a photo with the quote "Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics, Even if you win you are still retarded." Okay another member commented that this offended her because she has a retarded brother. NOBODY said anything or apologized for this comment....they DON'T CARE who's feelings they hurt! To them people are just names on a screen, not HUMANS! https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...n-talk-11.html

LadyBallPlayer - For the record, I am the DT member with who spoke up about the Special Olympics comment and the OP of that post did apologize to me privately.

As for DT, I think its a shame that a place that has such valuable information can also be a place with so much venom. I think I figured it out today - it's like Mean Girls... Hopefully this site will shed light on the negative side of DT (and any public forum) if allowed to run amuck and civility is not enforced)and DT can be a trusted, safe, authoritative source for the lovers of the Doberman breed.

FlorinNiculescu a bunch of stupid girls. which have nothing in common with the breed standard and dobrmann. Doberman they only garbage. I see them having fun. view a word for DT, losers

ref painted 1 brush The majority of users on DT are genuinely nice people who share a common love of our breed. The problem is that many people go on to the site to research a particular breeder and are immediately attacked by the same group of users and the moderators/administrator do not enforce the terms of use/manifesto to these repeat offenders despite how defamatory/inappropriate their posts are. When someone tries to defend a breeder (or themselves), they are usually banned or at a minimum, attacked. I think this site is a result of the frustration with the biased moderators and administrator who clearly promote their own agenda as opposed to maintaining a level of decorum on DT which would allow it to be a reliable source of information. There are certainly breeders out there that deserve to be criticized but there are a group of DT users who portray any breeder they don't like as BYB, crook or puppy mill. They defame them horribly and no action is taken against them. If DT would simply enforce their own rules evenly to ALL users and not just the ones the mods/administrator disagree with, there wouldn't be a need for this site.
12-31-2013 10:30 AM
valentine
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I have had 3 HoH dogs come into my clinic alone that were euthanized due to aggression. . . . Doesn't it say something to you that out of all the people on this thread who have had close experience with HOH that YOU are the ONLY one who has good things to say?


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naughty naughty ... are you portraying yourself as a vet ?? which clinic is ' yours ' again ??
12-31-2013 08:02 AM
churchill I want to commend you Valentine. This thread has now gotten over 14,000 views. You have guaranteed that when someone googles HOH they will find this thread and read all of the true negative comments and experiences with them. Thanks for that. I'm sure Barrie is just thrilled with you.
12-30-2013 09:58 PM
falnfenix
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its a good thing that neither of those two issues apply to me other wise I might be quite upset
so...why did you insist on having someone else do these things for you? it's gotta be either a lack of capability or pure laziness. there's really no other reason i can find for it.
12-30-2013 08:18 PM
churchill You mean aside from advertising and promoting one of the biggest greeders and exploiters of the Doberman breed?
12-30-2013 08:06 PM
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actually I was still waiting to hear what wonderful contributions you guys have made to the breed ? im all ears !!
I have my dog's accomplishments listed in my signature, ALL of them owner/handler. No one was PAID to put ANY of them on. Ricky's complete health testing is listed on my website, on the OFA site, and on his dobequest page. What the members of this forum have done to better the breed isn't the true question here. What have YOU done YOURSELF?


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12-30-2013 08:01 PM
churchill That would be five total. Those are the ones that we know about.

How many reputable breeders have produced at least 5 dogs that had to be euthanized for dangerous temperament?
12-30-2013 07:57 PM
VZ-Doberman Egad! I thought only the truly dense still believed that old wives tale. Gee, Barrie must be so proud of you.
12-30-2013 07:51 PM
churchill
Roflmao!

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there you go with ' rage syndrome ' again ,, that's where the brains swell up bigger than the skull and they attack there owner right ??

yes I know about keeper , that's 1 , only 99 to go
Now you really have shown your level of ignorance. Rage syndsrome was documented and studied by Nicholas Dodman, PhD, foremost behaviorist. It is a form or seizure activity where the dog doesn't recognize familiar people and becomes dangerous. There are enough examples of this in HOH dogs. Nobody cares if you believe it, it's as true as DCM in HOH dogs, even though Barrie denies it.
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