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06-09-2012 10:06 AM
Darkevs Your poor Girl.

internal toxicity usually shows up on the surface of the skin, as it is the largest 'organ' for expelling toxins.

I agree that a diet change would help.

Once off the wheat and corn it may still take a month or so for her skin issues to improve.

I hope the best for your girl, she must be so uncomfortable and stressed with this issue.

Hugz to your Girl!
06-09-2012 08:14 AM
LindaH Yep, gotta agree she needs a vet that knows what they are doing. I would like for a full panel thyroid test to be run along with the mange scrapes. If she had either type of mange, tho, looks like she would be smelling pretty badly by now. But it certainly would improve her health to put her on one of the foods I suggested. Definitely need to get to the root of the problem.
06-09-2012 04:06 AM
mmctaq I really think that more than trying to wing it with food changes and such, this dog needs to be actually diagnosed... more than just having a vet do a look-see and go on the assumption that it is this or that. I would have her seen by a dermatologist if the first vet isn't willing or able to do what is necessary. To me, this sounds more parasitic or who-knows-what than it sounds like a food sensitivity with concurrent fungal and/or bacterial infection. If it is bacterial and/or fungal, it is time to figure out exactly which organisms are involved. She's losing hair in atypical places and getting worse on meds... whatever this is isn't going to be standard issue skin crap.
06-09-2012 03:15 AM
LindaH [QUOTE=LindaH;1102406]This time of year it can be hard to tell if allergies are food, enviromental or both. I would try her on Natures Variety Instinct or Acana Salmon formulas. Start w/small test bags to see if they agree w/her. If you are going to give antibiotics, you need to suppliment with PLAIN GREEK YOGURT or probiotics to resupply some of the flora in the digestive system the antibiotics kill. Dont use peroxide or alcohol as they kill skin cells in wounds and delay healing. Also, dont bath her in an oatmeal shampoo, because if she is allergic to oatmeal, she will react badly to it. Please bookmark this site for when you get tired of all the stuff your having to give her and decide to go to a more dog friendly natural way. Try going to Dr Mercola's site, put in "dog allergy treatment" in the search and see if you dont get helpful info from Dr Becker, DVM. Good luck with your girl. [/QU
06-09-2012 01:15 AM
mmctaq
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Well a week on meds and her hair loss has worsened.. Thinking it may be time to try new food.. My poor dog looks terrible. She's having hair loss on the front of her neck now too and a bad spot on her back leg
What antibiotic was prescribed, and at what dose?

Are you fully switched off the Bil-Jac and no more Beggin Strips, Denta Stix or anything with corn or wheat?

Did your vet do a skin scraping to look for mange mites?
06-09-2012 01:01 AM
Lboo Well a week on meds and her hair loss has worsened.. Thinking it may be time to try new food.. My poor dog looks terrible. She's having hair loss on the front of her neck now too and a bad spot on her back leg
06-04-2012 01:15 PM
DobieGal15 CHange the food. (try to eliminate the corn and wheat products in the food as well as finding a different protein source. Something like duck or rabbit would be a good choice to start with)
06-04-2012 12:40 PM
Cassandra&Apollo My boy had the same problem with the random bald spots on his body. The vet said it was an allergic reaction to his food. After many attempts of trying diff foods, the vet prescribed him royal canin hypoallergenic. It worked amazingly and his coat went back to normal and beautiful as ever. Also used 3 pumps of salmon oil for the dandruff. Also, you might want to look at flea medications... Come to find out he was also allegic to that as well. Hope this helped.
06-03-2012 04:24 PM
Lboo I've only had her since she was seven months
06-03-2012 05:43 AM
KissNme Kiss had some spots of hairlessness that turned out to be (I think it's called) Dermadex Mange. She was on some kind of medication for it, but it did go away. It started small, then got worse with more areas.
Have your dog Vet checked.
06-02-2012 10:28 PM
LindaH This time of year it can be hard to tell if allergies are food, enviromental or both. I would try her on Natures Variety Instinct or Acana Salmon formulas. Start w/small test bags to see if they agree w/her. If you are going to give antibiotics, you need to suppliment with PLAIN GREEK YOGURT or probiotics to resupply some of the flora in the digestive system the antibiotics kill. Dont use peroxide or alcohol as they kill skin cells in wounds and delay healing. Also, dont bath her in an oatmeal shampoo, because if she is allergic to oatmeal, she will react badly to it. Please bookmark this site for when you get tired of all the stuff your having to give her and decide to go to a more dog friendly natural way. Try going to Dr Mercola's site, put in "dog allergy treatment" in the search and see if you dont get helpful info from Dr Becker, DVM. Good luck with your girl. How long have you had her, if you havent said?
06-02-2012 04:38 PM
Tanner's I would still look into a better quality food... That will help her with future reactions
06-02-2012 04:36 PM
RegalDobe My last Dobe was a red and she had hot spots. I adopted her from a Dobe rescue. When I took her home, she was covered with hot spots, mainly on her back and upper legs. I used to regularly treat them with peroxide and then followup hydrocortisone cream. And, when I bathed her, which was at least every two weeks, I would take a nail brush and lightly scrub the spots with an antibacterial soap to make sure they were clean. Then always condition her skin with an good conditioner that is oatmeal based. Then lastly, a spray conditioner that was for hot spots and itching. All of this worked for me. Her hot spots disappeared.
I began doing all of this after I read an article by a veterinarian that instructed frequent bathing for dogs with hot spots. That keeping their skin clean and conditioned was very important. Contrary to popular belief that frequent bathing was bad for dog's coats.
06-02-2012 03:59 PM
Lboo The vet thinks she has a bacterial/yeast infection on her skin from seasonal allergies. So baileys on ear drops, antibiotics, Zyrtec, and medicated shampoo. Poor dog!
06-02-2012 02:01 PM
bellablue Research coconut oil for dobermans. When we brought our 7 1/2 week old blue doberman home she had bumps all over her. Not sure if they were puppy pimples or a food allergy but I applied the coconut oil to her and it made a huge difference. Some were gone by morning. Coconut oil is antibacterial and antifungal. The more I research it the more I love it! It's my own personal moisturizer too.
06-02-2012 11:36 AM
LindaH The brown gunk can be a sign of allergies. Allergies cause yeast in the ears, on the skin and between the toes. Again, I use the half and half vinegar solution on Parkers ears to kill and keep yeast at bay. When Parker had his breakout of yeast, the vet treated him with steriod shots and antibiotics which kills your dogs immune system and the natural flora in their digestive tract. I used sardines(packed in water, drained and rinse twice) last year with great success. Sardines will greatly reduce itching in 3 days. Plus they are very good for your dog. You could use the search function to find a thread, Sardines, Good for Allergies and read up on them.
06-01-2012 09:27 PM
Lboo No, sadly the ear mite meds were our idea. She had a little brown in her wars and they itched, we just assumed. I've never had a dog with an allergy before
06-01-2012 09:09 PM
mmctaq
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We bought ear mite meds cause her ears were itchy.. Guess were gonna run to the vet tomorrow and hope they can figure it out for us. I hate to see her itch and her fur looks terrible. She is on comfortis for fleas
That was my first guess. I suspect that the itchy ears have to do with food, and not mites. If you are given antibiotic medication for her ears, hold off on using the Zymox products until the antibiotics are finished.

The Iams product you are switching to is better than the Bil Jac. That said, if you're shopping at Petsmart, you might want to look at Wellness CORE, Blue Wilderness, Innova Prime or even the Nature's Recipe grainless . Any of those is a higher quality food than the Iams.

If all of this stuff is food-connected, you should begin to see improvements rapidly once all of the corn and wheat has been totally removed from the diet.

And, I am also very curious if you bought the mite medication on the advice of a Petsmart employee.
06-01-2012 08:48 PM
Lboo We bought ear mite meds cause her ears were itchy.. Guess were gonna run to the vet tomorrow and hope they can figure it out for us. I hate to see her itch and her fur looks terrible. She is on comfortis for fleas
06-01-2012 06:16 PM
LindaH Drat, it is too late to edit my post to add this link, so have to add it here.

What the Research Really Says About Apple Cider Vinegar

Hmmm, just read what you are feeding, treating her.

Try reading the educational sites I have below on how to choose a healthy food for your dog. There are also a couple of sites the review and rate dog foods. The could help you choose an appropriate food for your girl. I wouldn't go below a four star out of five star food.
06-01-2012 06:10 PM
mmctaq
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She's not oozy.. Just has bald spots and some are a little red. She's on flea medicine, but we do visit family who have seven flea ridden dogs once a month. She is in between two foods right now, mixing bill jac and iams sensitive fish dry food. The lady at petsmart said her neighbor has a mini pincher who had hot spots and it cleared it right up! She's out of treats, but we only gave her dentastix and beggin strips. She doesn't lick or chew her paws, but she does lick her legs and back and chew her back. Her ears look pretty clean and we've been putting ear mite meds in her ears
Bil Jac contains corn, Dentastix contain wheat, Beggin Strips contain corn and wheat... corn and wheat are probably the top two ingredients to which dogs are intolerant or allergic... common signs of this are leg licking and itchies.

You are using ear mite medication because your dog has properly been diagnosed with ear mites, or because her ears seem to be itchy, to you? Bacterial and fungal ear infections (which itch like crazy) are also frequently seen in dogs who have food intolerances.

Despite what the Petsmart person told you, the only way garlic/yeast tablets could clear up hot spots (which it does not sound like your dog has, anyway) is if they were the result of flea bites and the tablets kept the fleas off the dog... they do NOT have any other value in treating a skin condition.

I would remove corn and wheat entirely from your dog's diet (including anything from your table and any treats) and I would try bathing with a shampoo like Epi-Soothe (Amazon. com will have vendors). If she is not way better in a month or if she is getting worse at any point, I would have your vet evaluate her for both infection and parasites like mange. I would also quit using the mite medication unless she has actually been diagnosed with ear mites. Try something like Zymox Otic with cortisone to treat with, and Zymox cleanser for weekly cleaning... the Zymox products can be bought on line and are available at some pet stores (although, not Petsmart). If her ears are not much better quickly, this also should be evaluated by your vet.

Which flea application are you using? Dogs can react to some of these, as well.
06-01-2012 05:41 PM
LindaH Anytime Parker gets a "funny looking" spot starting, I spray with a mix of half apple cider vinegar and half water and get good results quickly. It never ceases to amaze me how well it works.

The mix works by making the skin inhospitable to bacteria, yeast, fungus, etc.

Last fall he had a hot spot develop on the side of his head, first one I have seen in years. It was raw, so I didn't spray it till the fur kind of laid(stuck) over it, then I started spraying and it was gone pretty quickly. I don't write this stuff down, so I can't say how long it took, but I remember it seemed quick.

Also a couple of months ago, I noticed a spot starting on the bottom of one of his back feet, just a thinning of hair right behind the large pad. Just for the heck of it, I started spraying it with the acv mix a couple of/or three times a day and it began to get smaller. It is now gone. Don't know what it was, but it is gone.

Your vet might be able to figure out what it is, but in the meantime, I would spray her with the mix as long as it is not a bunch of raw spots, cause the vinegar will burn on a raw spot. I have spent a lot of money with skin issues with Parker, only to find natural cures work better and are better for the health of your dog.

If there is going to be an issue about her licking this off, not good, then use the more conservative solution of 1 cup acv to 1 gallon of water. It should still work fine. Licking this stuff at the dosage of half and half is not good at it can damage the throat.
06-01-2012 05:40 PM
Lboo She's not oozy.. Just has bald spots and some are a little red. She's on flea medicine, but we do visit family who have seven flea ridden dogs once a month. She is in between two foods right now, mixing bill jac and iams sensitive fish dry food. The lady at petsmart said her neighbor has a mini pincher who had hot spots and it cleared it right up! She's out of treats, but we only gave her dentastix and beggin strips. She doesn't lick or chew her paws, but she does lick her legs and back and chew her back. Her ears look pretty clean and we've been putting ear mite meds in her ears
06-01-2012 03:10 PM
mmctaq Hot spots are weepy, oozy, angry spots that look somewhat like abrasions... not simply areas of hair loss. The garlic and yeast tablets are intended to make a dog less attractive to fleas... they have no medicinal or curative action, and I would suggest you discontinue them if you suspect they are causing a problem. Sometimes, hot spots are the result of flea bites on an animal which is particularly allergic to fleas. In general, a Petsmart employee is not going to be overly-qualified to give advice regarding issues like this (wrote the Petsmart employee who gives advice regarding skin issues all the time LOL!).

What do you feed your dog, including treats and extras? Does she lick/chew at her paws? Does she have a history of ear infections or particularly dirty/gunky ears?
06-01-2012 12:15 PM
Lboo I have a pic from my cellphone, but I'm not sure how to attach it from my phone.
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