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Hi I'm new to this site & really hope I'm doing this right & that someone can help me. I just got my puppies ears cropped on Tuesday March 12th & he has an infection in his left ear down by the stitches. They sent him home on antibiotic's & has taking 2 days of them. Then yesterday I saw he had some greenish yellow pus. I called the vet & she said to just rub it with a dry gauze pad to massage some of the infection out. I can't start cleaning them until Saturday. Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Poor little guy

Are his stitches covered by anything right now, that you can't clean them? I'm not a vet or medical professional, but not being able to clean an infected area seems like an odd thing to me. Maybe get a second opinion?

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No his stitches aren't covered up with anything.. he has a cone on his head. I spoke with vet & she told me to start cleaning today & to put the antibiotic ointment down in his ear. Thank u so much for your feed back
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If there is any inflammation and the ear leather feels hot or an area starts to darken/bruise you should take him to the vet.
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There is none of that as of yet. But I'm having a problem putting on the ointment he is very itchy & uncomfortable that he won't let me get close to it, he starts growling. Any suggestion on how I can get him to let me. I feel so bad wish I would've never done this.
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You might clean it up with warm water washcloth and then apply Neosporin or whatever antibiotic your vet's talking about.

He's a little puppy, don't let him buffalo you now or you'll never be able to do anything with him. Get him down and hold him still, but do give some good treats when your through. Do it but be gentle, too.

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Re: ear cropping

Thank you! I'm home by myself so I have to wait until someone else gets home. That was my plan to hold him down but I can't do both by myself.

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Others gave you good advice about the ear. Best of luck to you. I would be very careful if he's truly growling at you at 12 weeks. That makes me a bit nervous.

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Thank you! This isn't the first time he has growled or even snapped at us. He is full of dominance! If we try to get him down off the couch he does it. Now we don't let him get away with it, we still make him get down & now we don't allow him up there. I am going to a dog trainer for advice to work with him on Sunday until I can get him into obedience classes after he is fully vaccinated. Thank you all for all the advice. My mom is home now so we are going to get his ears cleaned one way or the other! If we can't hold him down I will have no choice but to muzzle him.. something I don't like doing but his ears need to be cleaned.
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Poor little fella...no wonder he's growling if he's in pain!

I'm glad to hear you're going to work with a professional trainer with him. I would also do more recent research into the dominance theory and see if you still think he is full of dominance...

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Work closely with a good trainer. I have seen very few puppies that displayed this type of aggression at such a young age. However, I have seen a few, none were Dobermans, but all had to be PTS by the time they were 6 months old, due to temperament issues. This is nothing to fool with, if you can't control him now, you aren't going to be able to control him when he is 80-90 pounds.

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I will definitely be working with a good trainer. I have never seen a puppy be so aggressive. I will spend whatever amout of money it takes to get him under control.. putting him down is not an option! My animal's are with me until old age. I still haven't been able to treat his ears, mom isn't strong enough to hold him down, my husband will be home soon. Thank god. Do you know if I could put lidocaine on his ears to numb the pain so I can clean scabs off? Vet office is closed for the night
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Is it possible that you can get the job done by changing the subject, so to speak? Put some spray chees or peanut butter or something else sticky and yummy on something, and let him work at licking it off while you do the ears?

Did you meet the parents of your pup? If so: what were the temperaments like?
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On my way home now, will definitely try to " change the subject". We only meet the dad as the mom rejected the pups at 3 wks so they had to keep them separate. As for daddy he also didn't like the pups. I went to put my hand close to his cage to say hello & owners advised me not to that he may bite me. But they also said they didn't socialize neither one so the stayed protective. Which didn't make sense to me as that's what dobes do socialize or not.. they protect their family as well as themselves. Thank you guys so much for all the feed back! You guys are fantastic people!
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Sorry that is the case from where you got him but I hope you can turn things around for this little guy. Good luck with the training.
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Thank you! I not only have Abraham but I have his brother Lincoln too that doesn't act in any way the way Abraham does. Lincoln is so sweet that I'm conceived that he would lick someone to death instead of attacking them to protect himself or his family.
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Well that went horrible! We tried the food thing but it was a no go.. as soon as we would go near his ears with ointment he would start freaking out. My husband held him down while I held his mouth & neck as he put ointment on. Now to clean scabs off & apply more ointment. Damn is this going to be a long two wks! Wish there was an easier way.
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I hate to tell you this news but it's really a bad idea to raise two litter mates together especially if they are both males. Doberman males are predisposed to same sex aggression and it can lead to major problems down the road. The majority are same sex aggressive to some degree. Just make sure you're prepared with a back up plan in case they can no longer co habitate under the same roof. Maybe it's not too late to return one puppy to the breeder?
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Please do some research on both littermate syndrome and male/male dominance in this breed. I would return one to the breeder while they are young myself.

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That is not an option! I will be getting them trained & fixed. I don't get rid of my animal's for any reason other then old age or sickness. I will deal with it. My dobes will be just fine. Thanks for your opinion though
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I am glad you found this site! Two littermates, two males, and that situation with the sire... you are in for an interesting few years. I would be VERY concerned about a 12 week old puppy being able to overpower you now... he is not getting any smaller.

I wish you all the luck in the world, and pray you take the advice of the people on this site... they know what they are talking about.

Please share some pictures of your boys with us! Maybe a picture of the infected ear would help as well... there are a few vet techs around here somewhere.

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And ps: same sex agression is NOT AN OPINION... it is a FACT.

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That is not an option! I will be getting them trained & fixed. I don't get rid of my animal's for any reason other then old age or sickness. I will deal with it. My dobes will be just fine. Thanks for your opinion though
Not opinion, but fact (as already stated). Neutering doesn't "fix" or stop same sex aggression. If you are dead set on keeping them both be prepared for a life of crate and rotate once they hit maturity. It will seem all fine and dandy while they are puppies, but once they hit maturity, neutered or not...

It sounds like you have enough on your hands with a 12 week old that is showing signs of aggression (the only dog I've ever had that showed true aggression at that age had to be euthanized at 3 yrs of age due to aggression. I am a vet tech and no amount of vet care/testing, or professional training could "fix" her). The last thing you need is both litter mate syndrome AND same sex aggression, plus a puppy showing agression at 12 weeks. My boy (almost 6 mths old), is pretty high drive, and a difficult personality. He has been a very bitey puppy (we're still battling with play/excitement biting, but his bite inhibition is fantastic now), but only ONCE has he shown aggression (even then it was more possession over something he "found" as opposed to actual aggression), and I went total NILF on his butt, and he hasn't shown any signs since. Bruce wasn't a fan of having his ears cleaned/posted, nails trimmed etc, but being a tech (and seeing the result of people letting their pets get away with not holding still for it), there was no way in hell I was going to let him get away with that. I gave him no options, we held him down and I did my thing, then lots of treats after. I can now do anything to him (ears, nails,brush teeth, bathe etc) on my own without any type of restraint. If you let him get away with it now it's only going to get worse as he gets older.

The attitude of "I never give up a pet, it's not an option" is not always a noble thing. When it endangers a pets quality of life (which keeping 2 males from a breed prone to same sex aggression does do), it's more noble to do what IS in the animals best interest.

Good luck to you (I mean that sincerely), if you are that determined to raise both of these puppies you are going to need it, as well as the help of a really good, reputable trainer (which you need for the aggressive pup regardless)

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And ps: same sex agression is NOT AN OPINION... it is a FACT.
And neutering doesn't change the issue unfortunately. Please there are some great threads here you can read about even if you opt to crate and rotate the rest of their lives and not give one up.

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