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Hello, I've owned a dobe before and now thinking of trying again. My last dobe died from old age when I was 15, now I'm 31. Not sure of exact med reasons he died I was to young. About 4 years ago my wife and I rescued a pit (because 90% of dogs in shelters here in LA are pits) and I lucked out. He was a amazing dog. Unfortunately we had to put him down do to cancer about 8 months ago. That was one of the hardest thing I have ever done. I am now ready to look for a new pup. i have been doing home work on dobe's for a few months now. i most likely wont show my dog but I would really like a amazing looking and well tempered dog. We have a 10 month old son so temperament is important. I have only owned male dogs so I was thinking of trying a female this time. And I want a pup so my son can grow with her. I understand amarican dobes are smaller then euro. So I want a big dobe. The closest breeder that I know in my area is "king of dark shadow" I don't know much about them other the there web site. I live in the LA area of south California. If you have any info that can help my search I welcome it. Ty
Check with Adlercrest. They are in your area, long time conscientious breeders.


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Well in your look for a new member in your family need to find someone that does health testing. The worse thing that can happen is that you loose you dog do to health problems. Not saying a good breed wont have them but far less likely. Another think about good breeders is they will take their dog back if you can not take care of yours. They do not want them to show up in rescues.
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I understand now that when I say bigger I mean bone structure. I have learned that I don't want a breeder that breeds for size and/or color.

I visited kimbertal web site and noted that oversized females are cheaper. I assume because they are not in akc standards. That's kind of what I'm looking for from a reputable breeder. My main concerns over size would be health and temperament. A reputable breeder should have that under control.

I'm a big fan of euro male dobe bone structure but hoping to try a female this time. The price isn't an issue. And I don't plan on showing or breeding. So If someone has that pup that I can call Big Bertha that's my dream pup.

I have noticed how dobes can be a sensitive subject in this forum. Please if I'm incorrect with my thoughts be nice. I'm only here to learn from your experiences and knowledge.

Similar to how we have our son and we hope our second is a girl(not under our control).we hope to hove our new pup a female(under our control).

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I believe 'oversized' is cheaper as a lot of people (mistakingly) want a bigger dog and therefore love the perceived deal they get from this marketing ploy.

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You can have a euro dobie that isn't oversized, but thicker.

Please do not purchase/support a byb or puppy mill like KTal is.

However, it is your decision in the big scheme of things... just please make sure you know what you are getting into later on down the road as far as congenital and large sized health risks/issues before looking for a dog that is being bred specifically to be larger than breed specified... and please think about the breeders who are doing this to the poor dogs.
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As you have a baby in the house and hoping to see your family grow I would strongly advise you to do very sound research on the temperament genetics for any litter you find that interests you (from a respected, quality breeder of course). Many of the excellent breeders of the European lines focus on producing very strong working drives and this can be a huge problem for a pet owner who does not intend to work the dog in a physically demanding sport. You can find well-bred American Doberman lines with good bone if you are patient and diligent in your search. The last thing you need with young children to raise is a dog with lots of drive and no way to expend enough energy each day. It seems like you would want the "closest to couch-potato" on the spectrum of Doberman drives. You can find out a lot about the temperaments of parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles of a litter from a reputable breeder. Ask those questions, you will be glad you did!

BTW, kudos to you for doing your research BEFORE you buy a puppy!


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As you have a baby in the house and hoping to see your family grow I would strongly advise you to do very sound research on the temperament genetics for any litter you find that interests you (from a respected, quality breeder of course). Many of the excellent breeders of the European lines focus on producing very strong working drives and this can be a huge problem for a pet owner who does not intend to work the dog in a physically demanding sport. You can find well-bred American Doberman lines with good bone if you are patient and diligent in your search. The last thing you need with young children to raise is a dog with lots of drive and no way to expend enough energy each day. It seems like you would want the "closest to couch-potato" on the spectrum of Doberman drives. You can find out a lot about the temperaments of parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles of a litter from a reputable breeder. Ask those questions, you will be glad you did!

BTW, kudos to you for doing your research BEFORE you buy a puppy!
Huh...One thing about dobe's that was worring me was the work drive. That is something I am defanatly going to bring up. I wasn't aware of couch potato dobes. If they are out there I want one Ty
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Huh...One thing about dobe's that was worring me was the work drive. That is something I am defanatly going to bring up. I wasn't aware of couch potato dobes. If they are out there I want one Ty
LOL! I have and always have had what you could call "couch potato" Dobes. That doesn't mean they are lazy or don't have drive or energy, but they aren't over the top. I have always had Dobes from NA show lines. They do require exercise and training. A good hour long off lead romp in the morning and another run in the evening combined with training seems to do the trick.

I had Dobes before either of my children were born and I never had an issue. My Dobes welcomed both babies and were absolutely wonderful with them, always.


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