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post #51 of 108 (permalink) Old 10-24-2011, 11:22 PM
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KgDDs... Welcome to the Forum... this is USUALLY a great, happy, and very informative place to be. Congratz with bringing home your pretty boy. There are DNA tests that you can buy over the internet if you want to check and see if your dog is pure bred or not. If not... you will still be welcome all the same! He's absolutely gorgeous BTW. Good luck... and plz post some more pics!!


Mewmew... STFU!!!! I don't even know you and I already dislike you!! There is no reason to bring this **** onto a thread that was posted by a NEW member. Good job making a terrible first impression to an owner that we could help. It's people like you that scare away new owners. Now plz, take yourself to a thread where somebody cares that you get "attacked". BTW... Have you ever thought the reason you are called out is BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT THE ALMIGHTY QUEEN!!!!! Tossing out lies everywhere does not do you any good. Personally, I don't like being lied to. I don't like being deceived. I don't like people who support terrible breeding practices and then stir the pot at every opportunity just because they're pissed that someone called them out on their bull. Get out of our sandbox... we don't wanna play with you anymore.

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Mewmew... STFU!!!! I don't even know you and I already dislike you!!
Just put her on your ignore list like I do. And when you see her come up in quotes by other people, quickly skip over them. There is no need to unnecessarily raise your blood pressure by reading crap from idiots.


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great pictures thanks for sharing them . I hope you enjoy him as much as I have mine over the years.........
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Ill trade ya straight up for my 10 month old red male. Neutered. Show crop. House broken. Come on!

Leon is soooo good looking.

More pics!

Ps-I'm kidding. My GF wouldn't be up for the trade.
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Hello from Tampa Fla..

Hi everyone I have a 5 month female she is black/tan.. glad to find this Forum!
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KgDDs, welcome to DT and I hope you're as entertained by all of this as I am. Don't let it bother you. Things tend to get personal at times, and things tend to get stirred up at times, but if you can take it with a grain of salt, there is a wealth of knowledge to be found. I got a dog from a breeder that none too many people on here have any respect for. They let me know, up front, why that was. It wasn't all that pleasant. I did the predictable thing, and jumped to the defensive. The result was also predictable. People on here get passionate, because people on here care. They care because they've seen horrible things happen in this breed, and because they've had horrible things happen in their own lives that were doberman related. Some of them care because they ARE breeders or they ARE veterinarians, and they've worked for years and years to fix the problems that the BYBs are perpetuating.

I sincerely hope that Leon is hearty and healthy, and whether or not the parents were tested for anything, he remains that way. As I understand it (and I've only discovered melanistic dobes recently), it is not a color mutation that is directly linked to health concerns. It's obviously an aesthetic concern for many within the breed. But it's not going to do to your dog what albinism would do. And really, if you want to look on the bright side of things, from what I've seen (and this is supported by many breeders of many breeds) the darker the color, the healthier the dog. It's the color dilutions and the albinism that causes so many problems. Many GSD breeders try to get the dark, rich colors and steer away from the dilutions. The blue and fawn dobes were accepted much later in this breed, and they DO have problems. Not near what the albinos have, but there are still issues related to the dilution.

You will find that people will show interest in Leon, and be disbelieving, simply because the rich rust markings of the doberman are the most recognizable hallmark of the breed at first sight. But your boy is absolutely beautiful, looks to be hearty and robust, and you love him. The adult melanistic dobes I've seen (especially the cropped and docked ones) do look like dobes. And as mentioned before, their "points" do tend to lighten up, and even look coppery in the sun at times. You'll probably see that as he gets older.

Please don't take anything as an attack here, even by the people who speak most passionately. I think what they're saying, in a nutshell, is that most responsible doberman breeders steer away from color mutations if possible. If one crops up here or there, they insist on a spay/neuter contract, hands down. Responsible breeders do all of the aforementioned health testing. Therefore, one must deduce that your dogs parents were possibly not health tested. So the people on here are just giving you an idea of what to look out for as he gets older.

Stick around, learn, enjoy, make friends, and take your time in determining who the "bad guy" is on DT. I was initially wrong on many counts. And the people I initially couldn't stand still feel the same way about my dog's breeder (not my dog). I don't expect that to change. What changed is the way I feel about them. They know a lot, and things can get frustrating for them here. Anyway, I've said my piece. Again, welcome. And I, like many others, am a complete photo whore. So post some more pictures, already!!

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Hey everyone! Thanks again for the warm and welcoming comments. This is truly a great website full of Dobie lovers. Sorry for the delayed response, I was just observing some of the posts/conversations for a while without responding haha. About time for some new pictures from earlier in the week when we reposted his ears.

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KgDDs, welcome to DT and I hope you're as entertained by all of this as I am. Don't let it bother you. Things tend to get personal at times, and things tend to get stirred up at times, but if you can take it with a grain of salt, there is a wealth of knowledge to be found.

You will find that people will show interest in Leon, and be disbelieving, simply because the rich rust markings of the doberman are the most recognizable hallmark of the breed at first sight. But your boy is absolutely beautiful, looks to be hearty and robust, and you love him. The adult melanistic dobes I've seen (especially the cropped and docked ones) do look like dobes. And as mentioned before, their "points" do tend to lighten up, and even look coppery in the sun at times. You'll probably see that as he gets older.
DDD, thanks for the comments. Yea I was definitely entertained. I agree with you, I do not get irritated and take everything lightly.... I just want to share my excitement of Leon with people for others to enjoy..... and take advantage off all the Dobie knowledge people have to offer on here.

Leon is a couple days over 15 weeks here. The ears have been healing up nicely. I think the crop design looks really nice. I was surprised to see him holding them up so nicely so fast with the long cut. It was awesome running around the yard with him for a while watching him enjoy his open ears!







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He sure is cute! Looks like his right ear might be starting to form a pocket (it's tipping in just slightly). Watch out for that when you are posting.

How does he do in the soft crate? My girl would have torn up that kind as a puppy for sure! They get big so fast, don't they?


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He sure is cute! Looks like his right ear might be starting to form a pocket (it's tipping in just slightly). Watch out for that when you are posting.

How does he do in the soft crate? My girl would have torn up that kind as a puppy for sure! They get big so fast, don't they?
Hey MeadowCat thanks! Yes I agree with the ear, that has been of concern for us this last week. Our vet used the backer rods strictly with the zonas tape. After the 2nd week of taping after about 4 days I believe he grew them out of the bottom of the ear (in the bell area) and they began to fall inwards. We then thought after doing extensive reading/watching in the forums here on the method and such we could attempt the project ourselves. We used the same technique at the picture tutorial method, which included pre-wrapping the backer rods with duct tape to give them support, then the reverse tape with the small bumper for the bell. Well it looked perfect after the first time doing it, but shortly after he began to shake his head and pop the bottom of the rods out of the ear, which causes him to want to hold them inward too much. After discussing the method and doing more research we attempted the next post a few days ago. I did the same thing, but pushed the rods and pulled the ear up upon initial placement and much as I felt I safely could. I also placed the tape on the bottom as far down as I could to cover the bottom to attempt to keep it in the ear. They looked great again, but it took a couple hours for him to shake the bottom out, then another day to get the other one out. There must be at least an inch on the bottom now that is out, I was able to get them in again, but he still shakes them out. Maybe I should post a support between the ears? Or the only other thought after looking at the old vet pictures is that I am not taping the bottom initially tight enough. I thought doing it ourselves with the additional duct tape support would prove superior, but now I'm not sure. Slight frustration to say the least, but we will get it figured out. Any suggestions? Might just have to take him back next week to the vet for another wrap. It shouldn't be this difficult though right?

Leon is actually doing great with the soft crate. We love it. We started with it right away. We placed two large suitcases with some weights in them to block off a section of it, then dropped it to one, and now nothing to block it as he is growing so fast! We like it as we usually move it in and out of the bedroom between day and night, much lighter and quicker than our old large metal crate in the past. His favorite game is at night when it's time for bed and he tries to paw the zipper and run through the screen as I try to shut him in. Once I finally get it shut he is completely fine, has never really made any attempt to chew/paw through anything yet (knock on wood). I know as he grows if he really wanted to bust through it wouldn't be a problem haha.
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Hey MeadowCat thanks! Yes I agree with the ear, that has been of concern for us this last week. Our vet used the backer rods strictly with the zonas tape. After the 2nd week of taping after about 4 days I believe he grew them out of the bottom of the ear (in the bell area) and they began to fall inwards. We then thought after doing extensive reading/watching in the forums here on the method and such we could attempt the project ourselves. We used the same technique at the picture tutorial method, which included pre-wrapping the backer rods with duct tape to give them support, then the reverse tape with the small bumper for the bell. Well it looked perfect after the first time doing it, but shortly after he began to shake his head and pop the bottom of the rods out of the ear, which causes him to want to hold them inward too much. After discussing the method and doing more research we attempted the next post a few days ago. I did the same thing, but pushed the rods and pulled the ear up upon initial placement and much as I felt I safely could. I also placed the tape on the bottom as far down as I could to cover the bottom to attempt to keep it in the ear. They looked great again, but it took a couple hours for him to shake the bottom out, then another day to get the other one out. There must be at least an inch on the bottom now that is out, I was able to get them in again, but he still shakes them out. Maybe I should post a support between the ears? Or the only other thought after looking at the old vet pictures is that I am not taping the bottom initially tight enough. I thought doing it ourselves with the additional duct tape support would prove superior, but now I'm not sure. Slight frustration to say the least, but we will get it figured out. Any suggestions? Might just have to take him back next week to the vet for another wrap. It shouldn't be this difficult though right?

Leon is actually doing great with the soft crate. We love it. We started with it right away. We placed two large suitcases with some weights in them to block off a section of it, then dropped it to one, and now nothing to block it as he is growing so fast! We like it as we usually move it in and out of the bedroom between day and night, much lighter and quicker than our old large metal crate in the past. His favorite game is at night when it's time for bed and he tries to paw the zipper and run through the screen as I try to shut him in. Once I finally get it shut he is completely fine, has never really made any attempt to chew/paw through anything yet (knock on wood). I know as he grows if he really wanted to bust through it wouldn't be a problem haha.
There might be someone in Michigan close to you who could help you. I'm thinking you do need to do a bumper in that ear to keep it from tipping in. Here's the thread where people have posted to volunteer their help in ear taping: https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-co...post-here.html Many vets aren't all that great at taping, so I don't know if going back to your vet is a good idea or not.

We love our soft crates, too. Our dogs aren't crated anymore on a regular basis, but the soft crates are fantastic for travel and just so easy to set up quickly. It's great that he's been good in his!


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Leon is so handsome and his coat is so sleek. I enjoyed your pics.



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i love the new pics. look forward to seeing more as he gets older
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Great new pics. He's quite the nice looker. Showed my wife and kids and they fell in love with him.
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He looks great, his coat is so shiny, ears look good. I had told my DH about him, he just looked at the latest pics, he said, he's kind a short. I laughed and said he's only 15 weeks. He has the sweetest face.

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Adorable he is....Nice photos.....Love it...

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AMAZING Dog!

He has that special look that says: "I love you, but when you turn around, i'll find out where you hide those cookies!!!!" hehe

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gosh he sure is awesome looking

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Wowowowow what a looker! Be sure you're pushing the post as far as you can in his ear canal... Right now I'm using 1/2 inch backer rod with Whiskey and just adding another layer of duct tape to give it more stability. We had the same problem you're having when we used 5/8. Try and pull the tip as far as possible up the post and you want them to look like a V rather then a U. So post at 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock. That's helped Whiskey's pocket immensely.

P.S. That's a nice looking crop too!
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Hello! Welcome from Toronto! This is the first time I've ever heard of or seen an all black.
He's beautiful! Post more pics!!! He looks very sweet.

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Congrats on your pup and welcome to DT. I hope you and your new addition have a wonderful long life together.
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He is just stunning! And he sure looks 100% dobe to me.

I too have purchased from a backyard breeder in the past (like a lot of us here) and have since learned my lesson. Definitely stick around this forum and you will come to realize why you won't want to do it again.

However - the important thing now is that you love your boy and raise him to be an ambassador of the breed. His ears are looking great.


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aw just read this thread, I love him!
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I'm late to the thread - but welcome from a fellow Michigander! Beautiful pup!
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