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Hi from Australia

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I have been really intersteted in Dobermans for a few years and now the time has come for me to get one however I have struck a huge problem.

I know some people may not agree with me but owning a Doberman with cropped ears and a docked tail is extremely important to me as this is what the dogs I fell in love with look like.

So after realizing that these practices were both illegal here I have been looking to import one but this is where I am finding trouble.

It appears as though my best chance for getting a pup will be from Hawaii as I am allowed to import a 12 week old puppy from there with only a 30 day quarantine period here. I know that it will be expensive but I know that if I can find someone to help me with a breeder or even any one with any info that can help me get the ball rolling it will all be worth it, so I ask if anyone can help me???
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I wish you luck in your search....but it's also worth being aware that any cropped dog you import in will not be able to be shown (in conformation) or possibly even registered with some of the Australian canine associations.

ETA: Whilst I understand preferences for asthethics....A dobermann is so much more than its tail and ears (or lack thereof). This is a fairly sensitive and special breed that should be chosen more for characteristics other than cropped/docked. Our natural dobes are no less a dobermann, nor less able to do the job they were bred for (or anything else). You really do get used to a natural dobe pretty quickly because it is still pure dobe at heart.

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Welcome from MIssouri and I don't blame you on the cropped an docked. The standard calls for cropped and docked and when we say the standard is not important we say the breed is not important. It is the standard that protects and preserves the breed.

To lightly dismiss one part is to dismiss all parts and the next step will be to eliminate all purebred dogs - No standards no breeds.

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Greetings and welcome to the forum from Texas.

DobermanTalk has several Ozzie and Kiwi members who are better able to tell you what the situation is in the "Antipodes". Until they post, all I can offer is a few very generalized suggestions.

You don't indicate what your level of experience with the breed is, so I'll just throw this out there: It's unlikely that an ethical breeder in Hawaii will be comfortable with selling a pup to a newcomer to the breed in Australia. (If something goes wrong, how would they get the dog back?)

Whatever your level of experience with the breed, I advise you get in touch with local Dobermann fancier clubs and inquire about a c/d Dobe already in Australia needing a new home. Or, ask if they can put you in touch with an ethical Dobe breeder in Hawaii. If cropped and docked is a "deal-breaker" for you, you may have to compromise and get a non-puppy.

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I would highly suggest that you get a natural eared and tailed doberman for living with in Australia. While the look is different (docked tail and cropped ears), you will encounter a lot of resistance and downright opposition from people in public.

Your dog will also be high on the list for being stolen by less than stellar people. You will be forever engaging in boring conversations with people who want "killer dogs" and discussions about "brains exploding inside tiny skulls" or the dog "turning on its master". In the Australian society, it will just bring out the worst in public situations. You could talk to breeders who have imported c/d dogs from Hawaii and what sort of issues they may have encountered - but I wouldn't discount it or ignore it. You may also get run-ins with A/R activists.

The other problem is if your puppy goes thru a fear period while in quarantine, it could create behaviour issues that can't be fixed - I would NOT put a puppy thru that. However, you might look into importing an adult dog with a history of rabies vaccinations and a good rabies titre and see if there is NO QUARANTINE in place in that situation. I know of people who take their dogs to Australia and, with a good health certificate, have no quarantine at all - the dog has to be micro-chipped though with a type that is acceptable for Dept of Ag or Customs (whoever it is that tracks animals being imported).

Good luck but please re-consider c/d for a doberman.


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I don't think there's anything wrong with someone in Australia wanting a cropped/docked dog. Not everyone even WANTS to try to "get used" to an all natural doberman, and that's okay.

If I were the OP, I'd talk to a few of the people who are living with cropped/docked dogs there right now, and see what their experience has been as far as pressure or negative reactions from John Q Public, etc. Denise Ball of Aegis dobermans has a c/d male imported from the US. So does Barb Alexander of Walamara dobermans.

Both of these ladies imported young adolescents, since they chose the "no quarantine in Australia" option, and went through the six month wait between rabies titer tests in the US. I think that's the best option for the dog, I agree that putting a 12 week old puppy in quarantine isn't in their best interests.

I do think it's going to be difficult to find a responsible breeder who'll be willing to sell/export a puppy to a newbie.

If nothing else, maybe the OP would be willing to compromise and purchase a docked puppy with natural ears. Maybe not the ideal to them, but at least 1/2 there. It's certainly possible to buy puppies who fall into this category in Australia.




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The standard calls for cropped and docked

Yours does, but the standards over here don't.


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I got my docked puppy from Aus she was sent to NZ. I am in negotiations to import an older female from the Philippines one day, have you owned a dobe before? You will get thoroughly questioned and need to supply references for anyone overseas to send a dog here, they will not send a puppy.

A purebred puppy in Australia is around $2000-$3000, do you think this is expensive? most breeders are sending their pups to NZ to be docked and I will happily recommend you one of them but cropping, hmm.

Murreydobe forgot to add both ladies with cropped dobes are established well known breeders that have been showing and breeding dobes for years, they got their dogs to contribute to their breeding programs and add to their lines not just as a "pet". No reputable breeders would send a cropped/docked dog as just a pet dog.

These pups in Hawaii are they health tested and from a reputable breeder? Having a healthy well rounded dog should be anyones top priority.

I also do not blame you for wanting that style, so do I, but I have come to accept it will probably not happen.

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Ok thanyou to all those that have replied I will try to answer some of the questions.

So quite a few people have suggested that a quarantine period is a very bad idea so I am definately looking for any other option available to me.
I have never owned a dobe before this will be my first pet as an adult, I have had family pets before, mostly Bull terriers but like I said a doberman is what I have really wanted for quite some time.

I have no interest in showing the dog he/she will be a family pet and companion only and 2 or 3 thousand I do not consider expensive at all knowing that it will be my best friend for many many years, even though I realise if I do import one the price will be conciderably more than this.

I have not actually found any breeders or puppies in Hawaii yet I am still researching all options at the moment.

As for looking locally tail docking is totally illegal anywhere in Australia but looking to a non quarantine country may be a better idea.

And sorry if you dont agree with me but I would still happily get a dobe with natural ears if that was my only choice but I think a natural tail might be a deal breaker.

Anyone with more ideas as to possible NZ or other non quarantine country breeders info I am keen to speak with someone who may be interested in helping me.
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Anyone with more ideas as to possible NZ or other non quarantine country breeders info I am keen to speak with someone who may be interested in helping me.
Here is a list of NZ breeders > http://www.dogzonline.co.nz/breeds/b.../dobermann.asp

Of course you will have natural ears then, I think NZ breeders are pretty good about shipping to AUS, because it is very close and many people are buying NZ dogs now because of the dock ban.


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Denise Ball at Aegis Dobermanns, all her litters will be docked in NZ but she is in Perth.

Daniel at Ikons Dobermanns, his litters will be docked in NZ.

Go to Dobermann Puppies for Sale from Dobermann breeders, Australia. Borelias/Valda have docked puppies available now so do Celestion, aside from those two all others have tails, I wouldnt go with the other breeders any way so that is a plus.

In NZ there are, Martyn dobermanns and Tornadobe dobermanns that come to mind.

You can pm me if you need any help, I really dont think you will be able to get a cropped dog I am afraid but docked we can do!
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