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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 07-17-2020, 10:21 PM Thread Starter
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Dear fellow Doberman Lovers

I'm really happy that I found a group like yours, I haven't read any posts yet, but I shall to get a feel and get to know the group, as you well discover me.

I'm 48, had a doberman a kid 3-4 years old. That Dog protected me against an overly violent mother, that never dared to hurt when he was around I felt safe, I played with him slept with him and even pretended to be a dog crawling on all fours between his legs and knibling at his front paws. I smile and feel joy all over when I think of that period of my life.

I know I will have a doberman as soon as I get my place with a yard.

I'll go look at the questions now, but maybe you can help right away, he was a rare color, pure, registered(tattoo) and I remember that he was sold for a lot of money, this is around 76-78... that part is still fuzzy...

What are my real chances to find a descendant of him? I do have a picture of him the only one I salvage from an old photo album.
Don't want to break any rules so I'll post it tomorrow when I get more familiar with your group and all of you.

he was male, almost 6 feet tall on his rear legs, i remember that because he was as tall as mom.

Thank you for your time

Hope that request wasn't out of place, if so I'll move it.


So happy right now, maybe I'm naive but I do like to dream.

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Hi, welcome to DT from Colorado!

It would be tough to find anything out about your dog's ancestry without a registered name, and even then, the information isn't necessarily available. Descendants would imply he was bred at some point? Or do you mean you want to follow his parents bloodlines to see if there is still a bloodline which goes back to them? You're talking about a dog from about 45 years ago—something like 10 generations (4 years a generation) back? So many other bloodlines have likely been mixed into the breedings along the way that any dog alive now wouldn't really be very closely related.

That deep emotional attachment you may have with one dog is something special—we call them our heart dogs—but you might do better to try to think about the things that you really valued and loved about the dog you had as a kid and then try to find a breeder whose dogs match that personality profile the best.

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Hey Starling
What a sweet post.
We have a great group of people within this forum along with lots of experience.
I have learned so much through this forum and so will you if you stay in touch.
Cool place to make some virtual friends and the great thing is when you get sick of company all you have to do is log off!!! Ba ha ha !!!
So a great big welcome from Florida.
What neck of the woods are you from?
Dobermans are a great breed for sure and really glad you found us.


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Welcome Starling!
Nice story !

I would not get to caught up in finding the exact lineage since a piece of your dobe is in all ours
Good luck in your journey.
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Hi Starling,

Unless you have his registration papers it's going to be nearly impossible to track his line forward to dogs who are alive today.

Where are you? If he had a tattoo it sounds like he might have been Canadian--as I recall they required either a nose print or a tattoo as part of permanent registration (now it's a tattoo or microchip) and if he was a rare color it almost had to have been either blue or fawn--blues were an allowed color from the beginning of Doberman registration in the states and in Canada I believe. Fawn was added in 1969.

Nice to have you here and welcome from Portland (the left hand one) , Oregon.

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When I was young all our Dobes had our SS# tattooed on their inner hind leg. Hard to believe in this age of identity theft.
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First Thanks to all that replied your valuable input has gave me hope.

Now, I feel the need to adjust the perspective of the users of this group, to the exact nature of this setting when I was young.
Mine is miles away, from anything one could conceive, I'm currently trying to reduce the noise of my thoughts around it to give you a version that would allow you to see mine without going into to much specifications of said conditions. Your perspective isn't wrong and I don't think so either, it's mine that shouldn't exist.

I don't know the age range and wouldn't want to put anything bad in that sense here.

What I would like to set for people here to understand is a time frame of months that I spent with Bruno, the conditions that I had to comply to(limitation of movement inside or out of the apartment)while it happened and things of that nature.

I want to be clear to all, I came here to find maybe a way to rekindle in a sense that connection. I didn't come here to complain, get attention or anything else regarding those said conditions.

I trust my memory 100%, I have in a way a three state of viewing it

Yes => means it's true
No => means the memory is true but not in the right sequence
Maybe => means both are possible, right now it's either unclear or fuzzy to tell which ( like the quantum cat if you will, alive and dead at the same time)

Even though I have a very vivid and wonderful imagination, imagination sequence and memory don't collide, meaning that each is his own in the database

In which forum I should set this or continue in this thread?


The answers from my first post are what I was looking for, harsh truths, maybes and have you thought of this?

Impossible to me, is just a solution not found. So anything even that you may think impossible well like my hero detective, I like to eliminate all possibilities and all that remain even impossible are the only answer, Sherlock.

The desire I have in this quest is to reduce to absolute zero any chance of success, leaving with no regrets in my mind whatsoever when asking myself could I have done more, realizing that I will mourn Bruno the time I need, then start on a new quest finding the best doberman for me.

So even though the chances are really low to find either the X,Y or partials of either, I feel that I will never forgive myself if I didn't at least try.

And yes all Dobermans descend from the original and as such they are all related, but that is the option for me after the mourning.

Questions, thoughts, comments and doubts are all welcome and more information means more possibilities.

Sorry for the long reply, I do feel I found the right place though, I trust my instincts on that.

I had to send my children book manuscript to the publisher on Monday, so I'll be catching up on the slack on that ever since Bruno just took all the place in the cycles. I'll try to recall the tattoo numbers, now that I know that the numbers on his upper left lip I keep seeing are real, Is the color of the tattoo important?

Sorry again.
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My only chance at a number is a memory or finding a photo that has the numbers on it.

I read the hind leg post of location of tattoos, is that a standard because the image I have is on his lip like a horse would, not to damage the coat or underbelly?
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I have a picture of Bruno with a man I have no idea who he is, what is the policy here for that.

Because if someone recognizes the face it might help, but I don't want to cause trouble either.

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You shouldn't post a picture on here that has someone you don't know in it, without their permission. Under ordinary circumstances, since it is usually the dog everyone wants to see, people just put a sticker across the person's face, or they blur it out so you can't recognize it, but that would kinda defeat the purpose here.

It can be hard to let go of those special dogs, I know. But at least you can rest assured that any new dog will have a character that you can also truly value and appreciate. He will be a different personality in his own right—but still worth loving. Dobes are all wonderful, though not the dog for everyone.

Do try to do a full job mourning your past dog though; it wouldn't be fair to the next to be constantly comparing him to your previous dobe (and that's a tempting trap to fall into.)
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My only chance at a number is a memory or finding a photo that has the numbers on it.

I read the hind leg post of location of tattoos, is that a standard because the image I have is on his lip like a horse would, not to damage the coat or underbelly?
Starling,

An upper lip location for a tattoo on a dog is a highly unusual place for it to be.

Quite of lot of older (as in 40's 50's even into the 60's) quite a few dogs who were tattoo'd (Doberman's at least) were tattoo'd in an ear. But that was discontinued some while back in favor of the inside of the thigh. (Someone figured out that cutting off a dogs ears was sometimes used to eradicate the evidence of a tattoo which might have been stolen.)

As far as tattoo color goes almost all tattoo's start out either dark green, dark blue or black--and in most cases the color fades to a sort of charcoal within a few years. The numbers and/or letters of the tattoo are really the only thing that identifies where tattoo's might have originated--not color.

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Do try to do a full job mourning your past dog though; it wouldn't be fair to the next to be constantly comparing him to your previous dobe (and that's a tempting trap to fall into.)
This.

Even if you were able to find a puppy descended from, or otherwise related to your childhood dog, it won't be that dog, and to be constantly comparing the two would be a disservice to both of you.

Heck, even if you had a puppy he directly sired, they would still be different dogs, with different personalities.
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Hey Starling you will find the perfect pup one that is six feet tall like my boy Hoss.
Just take one step at a time and the find your perfect pup!


One of my favorite PIC’s of my Hoss standing. He loves to play catch with empty water bottles.

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